Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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He assassinates journalists, fixes elections, jails opposition and protestors, and you can't figure out what kind of guy Putin is?

NATO adventurism? Ukraine has every right to join an alliance to protect themselves and I submit this issue as the reason they'd want and need to be allied with world powers. Putin didn't do this merely because of NATO. Remember, his primary arguments was that Ukraine should be part of Russia historically. That is his first argument, the most important to him, and the NATO stuff is just to sell it to people like you, just like "de-nazification" is to sell to idiots in his country and possible left wing retards in the west.

America is not a threat to its neighbors, Russia is. That's the moral difference between America and Russia.
He had me at assassins ting journos, TBH.
 
But I thought Tiktok was only for condescending 30 second speeches with obnoxious hand gestures, and cancerous dance trends.


Well that's because the Russian military doctrine is "Rush B Cyka" . I don't even play Counter Strike and I know this.

The only people who are still saying that don’t use the app. It shows you that kind of stuff at first because there are a lot of teenagers who interact with that kind of content, therefore it’s the most popular. They have the best algorithm of any social media app in my opinion. Just hit “not interested” a few times and you’ll never see dance videos again. As long as you interact what what you like, that’s what it gives you with little deviation. Also, the ads are skippable, you don’t have to sit through x amount of seconds like you do on YouTube.

It’s at least worth downloading while this is going on. If you curate your feed for a week or so, 90% of the content you get will be about what’s going on. Im following several people in the cities where shit is going down and getting a birds eye view from apartment windows and people on the street. It does try to throw major news sources in but I skip them. Most of the people I follow just hit the live button and let it go all day or night.

It’s also a good source to see what regular, working class Russians have to say. Twitter would have you believe that they’re pro war, but from what I’m seeing they’re being arrested for protesting the invasion. It’s showing indisputable evidence of how corrupt their government really is, and that’s something that I don’t think mainstream media is talking about enough. They’ve been trying to arrest journalists and they let some people from Vice go when they found out they were being live-streamed arresting the guy.

The normal people in both countries are the victims in this situation, no matter which country they’re from. That’s where I prefer to get my information.
 
My heart goes out to all the Ukrainian NEETs who just wanted to enjoy the Elden Ring release weekend in peace.
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rumor has it they killed a Chechen general.

the fact that they still hold mariupol despite getting attacked by the separatists and russians is impressive.
They got that SS Berlin 1945 situation of fighting to the death (or breaking out so your leaders can flee the country). I doubt many would surrender unless they were fresh recruits.
 
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you ignore any "government in exile" memes and install your own local government instead, and use your military on the ground to ensure that all law enforcement and security in the country are loyal to this new government, then use them to force all public institutions to recognize your new government as legitimage while denouncing the clowns in exile as cowards and traitors, and then you're done.

basically, once you control the armed forces and law enforcement on the ground, you quickly gain control over the rest of the state as well, and that's what "take over a country" means.
The problem with this is that you need a lot of time, military and money for this situation, as well as having a civilian populace that doesn't hate your guts. Maybe the russians will pull it off, but they might be in for a civilian populace who will make their lives miserable and waste tons of resources.
 
define "hold"?

Kyiv is a city of 2.5 million with sprawling suburbs that can take an hour to get to on a bus from center of the city. You can temporarily occupy one area or another, control major intersections, post snipers, but to occupy entire city and control everything takes a lot of troops.

Ukrainians had plenty of time to prep. It's well defended but there won't be street to street, building to building fighting.

My prediction: same shitshow. Everyone will claim victories.

I'm not even sure what Russian objective is. There is no reischchancellory to storm to plant aquafresh onto. May be that's what Ukrainians should have done, build one out of plywood so Russians can get their fill playing war and go home.

Russian generals at their annual reenactment of taking Reichchencellory in Berlin, 1945.

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I've said this before and I'll say it again. An urban battle in Kiev is the last thing the Russians want. Modern urban combat will always end in a bloodbath on both sides. Especially as most of the civilians are still present and blowing up buildings filled with civvies makes for really bad PR.

As long as there are Ukrainians with any reasonable defences in Kiev, Ukraine will hold. Giving every gopnik and their mother a gun is not necessarily the worst thing from a military perspective. Even if half of them desert or surrender the moment the Russians attack, the Russians will have their hands so filled with POWs and civilians that any "humane" attack on Kiev is made impossible. Not to mention that bringing your troops to a place where at least hundreds will get shot up and their corpses posted online looks bad for their own population.
 
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