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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Nah dude it's cuz there were mountains near by.
There's a mountain of reasons. My personal favorite from that particular shitheap:

Being the first real live-televised war. We actually had some good plans for winning, but not the will to implement them, again, for a whole shitheap of reasons. "Muh optics" isn't a new thing.
 
The Whites lost because they were disorganized as fuck, and the people were tired of the war, and every offensive they launched against the Germans ended in crushing defeat.



There's two problems with those assessments:

Modern technology makes war faster in terms of transporting troops and firepower when compared to WW2. When Poland was invaded, both Poland and Germany still used horses.

Iraq is on the other side of the world as America. It doesn't have a capital that is within driving distance of a next-door neighbor, the way Kiev is to Russia thanks to Belarus.
In 2003 and to a lesser extent 1991, the US also fought with restrictive rules of engagement.

In 1991, they gave Saddam 12 hours to evacuate his most advanced armor from Kuwait back into Iraq. The US wanted Saddam out of Kuwait, but they also did not want to leave him completely vulnerable to Iranian invasion. That's why the Highway of Death only had 28 tanks on it.
In 2003, there was shock and awe. The whole point of shock and awe is leaving people alive to be shocked and awed into surrendering.

And it's possible to invade too quickly. Just ask the Russian tank crew that ran out of gas, assuming it's not a hoax for Ukrainian propaganda.

My theory is that Putin has rapidly taken the parts of Ukraine he wants, and is now launching a halfhearted campaign against the parts he cannot hold onto. That way they get to feel like winners who let the Ivans invade 600 miles into Ukraine and pushed them back 400 miles.
 
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Miles Routledge claims he has made it to Ukraine (Image: Miles Routledge)
A British student claims he is in Ukraine for 'fun' after previously being 'evacuated' from an 'insane Afghanistan holiday '.

Miles Routledge, from Birmingham, is a disaster tourist and shared news of his trip on Twitter, describing the journey from Poland to Kyiv, also spelt Kiev, as a "bargain" at £6 ($8).

He said he likes to explore the "worst places in the world" and said it was "honestly fun, almost like a soldier enjoying it despite what’s going on".

He previously visited Chernobyl in 2019 and now Miles claims is back in Ukraine, currently "a few km from the frontlines.. in the capital Kiev! Listening to 80s music, mostly walking on sunshine".
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Miles appears to have started his journey on Friday, February 25, when he tweeted: "It's official. Tintin goes to Ukraine, he's on the train."

Since then he's shared a series of messages about his plans and how his journey is going.

He wrote: "When I get settled in a hostel in Ukraine's capital, I'll do a livestream on my YouTube. I'll announce the time tomorrow or possibly the day afterwards. I know where the armoury is.

"I have an emergency satellite device I can tweet from. If I tweet the activation word 'Ronald McDonald', assume the worst and airstrike my coordinates."
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He also shared an image of himself in a military uniform and a mask of Putin's face.

Miles wrote: "Refresher: Last week when I was in Donetsk, Ukraine, I befriended some soldiers, got a free uniform, wore a Putin mask yelling at the Russians and went to an abandoned old airforce base.

"Getting into Ukraine by train involved no bag or on person scan, didn't check my non-existent PCR either. I identified several areas where something could be smuggled in (open wall compartments, taking screws off etc). It's really a bad situation waiting to happen sadly."

Then, at around 9am this morning, he tweeted: "A few km from the frontlines in the capital Kiev! Listening to 80s music, mostly walking on sunshine."

He then went on to ask for his fans to donate money to his cause, adding: "I'm going to help with buying locals supplies, if you want to contribute to that cause or help me pay for accommodation, please specify and thankyou.

"So I've got veteran mates setting up field hospitals and safe houses in case of full occupation. They're fixing up locals and soldiers.

"This is still safer than London or Birmingham to be fair. I'm from Birmingham so I'm qualified to say this."

Speaking previously to student newspaper The Tab, Miles explained his motivation behind his unusual pastime.

He said: "It’s honestly fun, almost like a soldier enjoying it despite what’s going on.

"I’m not worried, if I die then it’s no longer an issue, if I’m alive then I’m in the green. If the country gets invaded, I’m getting the content and leaving through a neighbouring country or a last-minute flight out.

"I’m bringing a good chunk of change for charity work and I think just doing that is worth it. No matter what happens, I’ll sort out the situation with myself and my followers."

The British Government advises against travelling to Ukraine. They said : "There are multiple reports of widespread military activity and real risk to life. We advise British nationals to leave Ukraine immediately if you judge it is safe to do so.

"Ukraine’s airspace is closed. If you need assistance as you cross a border, please contact the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO)."
 
One of the reasons why the US lost in 'Nam is that there was no clear picture of what "winning" looked like, especially against an enemy where any random old lady could be a guerrilla fighter ready to put a shank in a GI.

I feel like this is what Putin just stuck his dick in. Yeah, he can replace Zelinskyy with a puppet head, but the people won't accept that.
America lost Vietnam because the first several years of the war was spent doing Westmoreland's war of attrition, because he reasoned that North Vietnam suffering overwhelming amounts of casualties would demoralize the North Vietnamese. Westmoreland based his assessment off his fighting in World War 2 as Germany suffered massive casualties and just collapsed in spring of '45. After the Tet offensive, Westmoreland was replaced with Abrams and Abrams identified that the borders of South Vietnam were porous and North Vietnam along with the Vietcong were running materiel and manpower through the border. He sought to secure the border to choke out the insurgency and stop North Vietnamese incursions. Abram's strategy was actually quite successful.

Unfortunately this happened too late and the Tet Offensive set the American public against the war. After the war, the US Army educated all of its officers at the Army War College on how Vietnam failed despite the correct change in strategy. Westmoreland later came out after the war in an interview and said his infamous "life is cheap in the orient" comment. A remark presumably referring to his attrition strategy failing.
 
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This is why I hate war in the 21th century. We came from knights to this:
Ukrainian writes the daughter of a Russian soldier lol complete subhuman
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Well, he was an invader. Can't exactly fault them for wanting such petty revenge.
Besides, that girl lost her dad, but she'll probably lose her country.
Heh, not probably.
 
The better equivalent to what we are seeing here would be the WW2 German Invasion of Norway. Where the Germans expected to sweep into Oslo with minimal resistance, capture the Royal family and install the puppet Quisling Government. Instead a brave team of all but inexperienced Norwegian conscripts, led by a few of histories greates officers used 19th century guns and Torpedos from a centuries old island fortress in the fjord to put the Kriegsmarines newest state of the art Heavy Cruiser Blucher on the bottom and savage and disrupt the initial landing thrust. While it did not prevent the invasion. It slowed it and bloodied it enough that the Brits were able to evacuate the Royal Family, primary government, and substantial assetts. Allowing the formation of what the world viewed as the legitimate government in exile. Which harried the Germans until 1945 and denied Quisling any legitimacy in Norway leading to an ongoing ressistance there. For the German's it was a tactical victory, but a strategic failure. It tied down a large amount of resources propping up the Quisling Government while the well respected royal government in exile did a great deal to turn world opinion against hitler.
 
This is why I hate war in the 21th century. We came from knights to this:
Ukrainian writes the daughter of a Russian soldier lol complete subhuman
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Typical Slavs hating each other. To be fair, even if this was the Middle Ages, I can see this happening.

The better equivalent to what we are seeing here would be the WW2 German Invasion of Norway. Where the Germans expected to sweep into Oslo with minimal resistance, capture the Royal family and install the puppet Quisling Government. Instead a brave team of all but inexperienced Norwegian conscripts, led by a few of histories greates officers used 19th century guns and Torpedos from a centuries old island fortress in the fjord to put the Kriegsmarines newest state of the art Heavy Cruiser Blucher on the bottom and savage and disrupt the initial landing thrust. While it did not prevent the invasion. It slowed it and bloodied it enough that the Brits were able to evacuate the Royal Family, primary government, and substantial assetts. Allowing the formation of what the world viewed as the legitimate government in exile. Which harried the Germans until 1945 and denied Quisling any legitimacy in Norway leading to an ongoing ressistance there. For the German's it was a tactical victory, but a strategic failure. It tied down a large amount of resources propping up the Quisling Government while the well respected royal government in exile did a great deal to turn world opinion against hitler.
That seems to be the case of what will happen soon. Russia might eventually score a tactical victory, but in terms of gaining what they wanted out of the war, it would be a strategic failure, as other countries would openly join NATO and use American-made weapons against Russia since they now saw the Russians bleed.
 
Typical Slavs hating each other. To be fair, even if this was the Middle Ages, I can see this happening.


That seems to be the case of what will happen soon. Russia might eventually score a tactical victory, but in terms of gaining what they wanted out of the war, it would be a strategic failure, as other countries would openly join NATO and use American-made weapons against Russia since they now saw the Russians bleed.
Nobody is going to attack Russia, sorry to say.
 
For the German's it was a tactical victory, but a strategic failure. It tied down a large amount of resources propping up the Quisling Government while the well respected royal government in exile did a great deal to turn world opinion against hitler.
As this drags on and burns through political capital, I wonder if Putin is going to get to a point where he has to start asking instead of telling internally.
 
Nobody is going to attack Russia, sorry to say.
They're not going to attack Russia, but Russia will attack nations like Finland and Sweden for trying to join NATO, not to mention guerillas will weaken their hold on Ukraine and cause more Russian deaths. Russia will get bogged down again. Russia will keep "winning" these conflicts until their army's morale or strength is all but depleted. After which internal revolution, discontent in the army, and/or a collapsing economy will take effect, and Russia as a nation will collapse.

Russia was already on its way to the grave. The only thing Putin did was speed up the process.

As this drags on and burns through political capital, I wonder if Putin is going to get to a point where he has to start asking instead of telling internally.
It might. He might have to start asking them for aid in exchange for something instead of just telling them what to do.
 
Whitehouse just announced it, Russia and Russian banks are out of SWIFT.

Well fuck. That's not good for long-term good relations. That's like driving a giant wall between peoples.

Russia must have considered this. I wonder what plans they have to build an alternative system. I know China has... Crips? Cribs? I forget. But that's much more limited in scope than SWIFT, I believe.
 
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