RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

Yep. Madoka is just one deconstruction of the magical girl genre. Makes you wonder what the reconstruction of the genre would look like.

At least RWBY doesn’t have anyone turning into
Satan.
God can we stop calling this shit "deconstruction"?

Madoka isn't a deconstruction of magical girls any more than Evangelion is a deconstruction of mecha. Deconstruction necessarily implies a critique or examination of the subject of interest. Like, Watchmen is the archetypical deconstruction because it very directly critiques the idea of superheroes. On the other hand, Madoka nor Evangelion reflect on their genres to much of a deeper extent than "being a magical girl/getting in the fucking robot isn't nearly as fun as it sounds". At best you can describe them as subversions where the tone is inverted and commonly-used genre tropes are played with and twisted, but muh subverted expectations is not synonymous with deconstruction.

In my imagination at least, a true magical girl deconstruction would question the necessity and efficacy of magical girls in the first place, and whether or not their existence is even a net benefit to society, or if they end up creating more problems than they solve.
 
God can we stop calling this shit "deconstruction"?

Madoka isn't a deconstruction of magical girls any more than Evangelion is a deconstruction of mecha. Deconstruction necessarily implies a critique or examination of the subject of interest. Like, Watchmen is the archetypical deconstruction because it very directly critiques the idea of superheroes. On the other hand, Madoka nor Evangelion reflect on their genres to much of a deeper extent than "being a magical girl/getting in the fucking robot isn't nearly as fun as it sounds". At best you can describe them as subversions where the tone is inverted and commonly-used genre tropes are played with and twisted, but muh subverted expectations is not synonymous with deconstruction.

In my imagination at least, a true magical girl deconstruction would question the necessity and efficacy of magical girls in the first place, and whether or not their existence is even a net benefit to society, or if they end up creating more problems than they solve.
You can definitely blame the deconstruction aspect with TVTropes since they love to throw that word around. A correct way of deconstruction would be that in the first few hours/episodes, the application of the genre you want to deconstruct, is shown but around the near middle, the gloves slowly comes off until the the finale where the protag is no longer using the tools of the genre, in this case, magical girls and robots.

Let's say you want a deconstruction, let us use an example: war from the perspective of a soldier. First things first, you gather the most popular parts of the genre, the usual platoon that you side with, military propaganda, gun porn, "fight for your country" crap. You establish those on the first few hours. You're a regular grunt in some shithole country that you were conscripted for and now you have gone through rigorous training to be a part of the corps. You get introduced to your squadmates, the guns you hold and your orders as you are about to be deployed in the warzone. Fine and dandy, you get yourselves something out of Call of Duty on the first scenes. This is your established genre that you will deconstruct later.

Near the climax, after hours of receiving orders and clearing some militias, the protag you get introduced to starts to slowly question his role (don't make this too abrupt or obvious, show small details like him staring at a window of an abandoned house or maybe something like putting his hands in his pocket when the soldiers are ordered to scavenge from the dead corpses). When the squad camps out for the night, let your character contemplate, maybe stare at the night sky as the squad talks. Then some event happens to the platoon, maybe they got ambushed in the night, or after moving to the next area, they get separated. During this time, your character, without interference from the soldiers and radio, gets to look at the whole battlefield they have been deployed to, show dead civilians or whatever. You can let your MC drop their gun out of disgust or march forward until another platoon shows up but does the same thing, seeing that you and your lost platoon have been dispensable and that the nonsense killing. Instead of a potential rendezvous, the MC backs off, maybe have him fight a scurry of rebels or even another platoon. This part is where the genre shifts, instead of following the usual traits of the genre, you show another perspective, how fucked fighting is and how they are just cogs in the machine.

Lastly, as the climax fades, your MC finally recovers but they are in the middle of nowhere, no supplies, no soldiers nor gunshots, nothing. Seeing that the battlefield is no more, the MC decides he's done with the military service and instead plans on going home. He throws the guns away, takes off the uniform, tosses his weapons out and leaves. During this part, you can do whatever you want: maybe in the end he does get home but has to go through the wilderness, maybe he ditches the aspect of going to civilization and live for himself, maybe he can try posing as a villager and live a different life. This part is where the gloves are no more, no more guns, military or lingo mumbo-jumbo. It deconstructs war and the genre surrounding it. No subversion, no going back to those tools, nothing. You ditch those and try to choose a better life beyond just shooty.

This is just the concept. Then you can either use animation or live-action to scene it out, use cinematography, camera angles, all the tiny details to make it look real. Maybe you can add additional scenes that can help enhance the original draft so long as the middle and end are still faithful to the idea of a deconstruction. If you say that "the guy gets his gun back", that's not deconstruction, you created a subversion and you failed in the former if that was the intention.
 
You can definitely blame the deconstruction aspect with TVTropes since they love to throw that word around. A correct way of deconstruction would be that in the first few hours/episodes, the application of the genre you want to deconstruct, is shown but around the near middle, the gloves slowly comes off until the the finale where the protag is no longer using the tools of the genre, in this case, magical girls and robots.

Let's say you want a deconstruction, let us use an example: war from the perspective of a soldier. First things first, you gather the most popular parts of the genre, the usual platoon that you side with, military propaganda, gun porn, "fight for your country" crap. You establish those on the first few hours. You're a regular grunt in some shithole country that you were conscripted for and now you have gone through rigorous training to be a part of the corps. You get introduced to your squadmates, the guns you hold and your orders as you are about to be deployed in the warzone. Fine and dandy, you get yourselves something out of Call of Duty on the first scenes. This is your established genre that you will deconstruct later.

Near the climax, after hours of receiving orders and clearing some militias, the protag you get introduced to starts to slowly question his role (don't make this too abrupt or obvious, show small details like him staring at a window of an abandoned house or maybe something like putting his hands in his pocket when the soldiers are ordered to scavenge from the dead corpses). When the squad camps out for the night, let your character contemplate, maybe stare at the night sky as the squad talks. Then some event happens to the platoon, maybe they got ambushed in the night, or after moving to the next area, they get separated. During this time, your character, without interference from the soldiers and radio, gets to look at the whole battlefield they have been deployed to, show dead civilians or whatever. You can let your MC drop their gun out of disgust or march forward until another platoon shows up but does the same thing, seeing that you and your lost platoon have been dispensable and that the nonsense killing. Instead of a potential rendezvous, the MC backs off, maybe have him fight a scurry of rebels or even another platoon. This part is where the genre shifts, instead of following the usual traits of the genre, you show another perspective, how fucked fighting is and how they are just cogs in the machine.

Lastly, as the climax fades, your MC finally recovers but they are in the middle of nowhere, no supplies, no soldiers nor gunshots, nothing. Seeing that the battlefield is no more, the MC decides he's done with the military service and instead plans on going home. He throws the guns away, takes off the uniform, tosses his weapons out and leaves. During this part, you can do whatever you want: maybe in the end he does get home but has to go through the wilderness, maybe he ditches the aspect of going to civilization and live for himself, maybe he can try posing as a villager and live a different life. This part is where the gloves are no more, no more guns, military or lingo mumbo-jumbo. It deconstructs war and the genre surrounding it. No subversion, no going back to those tools, nothing. You ditch those and try to choose a better life beyond just shooty.

This is just the concept. Then you can either use animation or live-action to scene it out, use cinematography, camera angles, all the tiny details to make it look real. Maybe you can add additional scenes that can help enhance the original draft so long as the middle and end are still faithful to the idea of a deconstruction. If you say that "the guy gets his gun back", that's not deconstruction, you created a subversion and you failed in the former if that was the intention.
Yeah, I think the key to any deconstruction is the idea that the subject being deconstructed is itself the problem, with the main antagonist being “human nature” rather than any external evil. In Watchmen, for example, all of the problems arise because some retards put on spandex and beat each other up in the streets, thinking it would help clean up crime. Capes aren’t doing anything good for society, they only exacerbate existing issues and make them even worse, to the point that the head honcho cape eventually decides to destroy NYC with a giant squid monster so that he can convince everyone to keep supporting the superhero grift.

In both Madoka and Evangelion though, the root source of conflict is purely external, and the subject of interest is established in-universe to not just be the best solution, but in fact the only solution. Magical girls are the only things that can defeat witches, much like how Evas are the only things that can defeat angels (…for the exact same reason, now that I think about it), and the witches/angels themselves are a threat put upon by humanity by greater forces well beyond our understanding or control. It’s impossible to do a “magical girls/giant robots bad” deconstruction when it is explicitly established in-universe that magical girls/giant robots are the only way to deal with the threat at hand.

Another good example of deconstruction vs. subversion is Starship Troopers vs. WH40K. In Starship Troopers, the bugs themselves aren’t actually the threat, just the pretense for fascist hypermilitarism. In 40K on the other hand, despite how awful the Imperium is, they’re still the lesser evil compared to Chaos and the Tyranids.
 
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Cold War 2: Putin invasion retardation edition aside, how can you seriously associate a massive ongoing political crisis with a shitty webseries made by low functioning spergs whose understanding of politics is surface level 'muh trans-rights' faggotry, while also fail on seeing how said spergs shat the bed spectacularly on literally writing the fucking easy to use 'General Ripper' trope?
 
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Cold War 2: Putin invasion retardation edition aside, how can you seriously associate a massive ongoing political crisis with a shitty webseries made by low functioning spergs whose understanding of politics is surface level 'muh trans-rights' faggotry, while also fail on seeing how said spergs shat the bed spectacularly on literally writing the fucking easy to use 'General Ripper' trope?
If you haven't noticed we live in the era of media obsession. People unironically likening Putin to Voldemort and the Ukrainian crisis to their favorite Marvel flick are all over twitter and reddit.
 
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Yeah, I think the key to any deconstruction is the idea that the subject being deconstructed is itself the problem, with the main antagonist being “human nature” rather than any external evil. In Watchmen, for example, all of the problems arise because some retards put on spandex and beat each other up in the streets, thinking it would help clean up crime. Capes aren’t doing anything good for society, they only exacerbate existing issues and make them even worse, to the point that the head honcho cape eventually decides to destroy NYC with a giant squid monster so that he can convince everyone to keep supporting the superhero grift.

In both Madoka and Evangelion though, the root source of conflict is purely external, and the subject of interest is established in-universe to not just be the best solution, but in fact the only solution. Magical girls are the only things that can defeat witches, much like how Evas are the only things that can defeat angels (…for the exact same reason, now that I think about it), and the witches/angels themselves are a threat put upon by humanity by greater forces well beyond our understanding or control. It’s impossible to do a “magical girls/giant robots bad” deconstruction when it is explicitly established in-universe that magical girls/giant robots are the only way to deal with the threat at hand.

Another good example of deconstruction vs. subversion is Starship Troopers vs. WH40K. In Starship Troopers, the bugs themselves aren’t actually the threat, just the pretense for fascist hypermilitarism. In 40K on the other hand, despite how awful the Imperium is, they’re still the lesser evil compared to Chaos and the Tyranids.

Deconstructions and Subversion etc are all just TV trope autism. Getting autistic about it is dumb. The writers 100% where not thinking in any of those terms unless they where also TV tropes autists.
 
I'd rather not discuss Twiins' iink at all if it's all the same to you. Those two are stupid in a not fun way.
I enjoyed her Ironwood video, but everything else she makes is kind of shitty. Her routine rants about how people are bigots for saying they don't like Blake and Yang because they're sick of lesbians in everything is especially egregious. Also her art is shitty, but that's a subjective opinion.
 
I enjoyed her Ironwood video
Next time you watch listen to her complain about Ironwood keep in mind that she spent the last couple years prior to that shitting all over Adam fans for the exact same shit she complains about with Ironwood with the waste of character and whatnot.
Her routine rants about how people are bigots for saying they don't like Blake and Yang because they're sick of lesbians in everything is especially egregious.
She has a seriously bad case of "If I don't personally have an issue with it then it's fine" and that goes for everything she does. She's one of those "Just let people enjoy things" people in the worst way.
Also her art is shitty, but that's a subjective opinion.
No, her art is shitty, that's something you can measure against an objective standard. Your enjoyment of her art is what's purely subjective.
 
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