Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Kane Lives]

Because if it's in the US it is subject to US law. There are things you cannot experiment on in the US like gain of function for example that you can in other countries that don't have as strict rules and guidelines.

Like.. everyone here is aware that the NIH was funding gain of function research/experiments in that lab in Wuhan by now right? There's a reason for that. Less oversight and less rules if the lab is not on US soil.

Aye, but then here's another question:

If you're operating a black bag biolab facility, why does regulation apply to you? Or better yet, why Ukraine, and not say, some shithole island off Cuba or Carribean or even Hawaii? It's schizo because nobody has been able to satisfactorily answer this question. The gain of function in Wuhan thing I presume is a collaboration with the Chinese, which means they're party to it. Here, there's no reason for Ukraine to be party to anything, so why there and not literally any other safer place?

 

[Marcus the Mong]

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Pouring one out for my Ukrainian NEET bros who just wanted to play elden ring this week...

I'm not sure it's possible to be a NEET in Ukraine and still be able to afford anything that runs Elden Ring.
Actually, you probably won't be able to afford anything that runs Elden Ring even if you work fulltime.

 

[Timotei Lindeanu]

There are news floating around that gypsies stole a tank. My sides are in orbit.

 

[ConspicuousArdiunoDue]

They achieved air dominance on day 1 so there was no need for modern equipment and professional soldiers. They're mostly using irregulars, hence the white Z's painted on all the vehicles, make maneuvers as idiot proof as possible, cut down on friendly fire. They've managed to surround their targets and they'll be telling the Ukrainians nows the time to have a chat or else they'll deploy the actual army to end this. If both sides want to avoid street to street fighting in the cities then the chances of a negotiated settlement are decent. It will of course depend on what the strategic objective of the invasion is. If it's simply to demilitarize the Ukraine then there's a deal to be made, if it's to install a puppet regime less so. If Putin wants to annex the entire country then we can forget about it. I would ignore all the media chatter, it's 99.9% bullshit. It could well be that Putin's mind is made up and he's going to allow this to play out.

A couple problems here but i love u anyways:
- Air dominance still hasn't been achieved, airborne operations are still being intercepted by Ukrainian air assets. Russia doesn't have freedom of maneuver in the air. Ukrainian air assets have been seen shooting at and destroying Russian columns and supply lines at least until day 2-3.

- The vehicle markings do make things idiot proof, but don't make these troops "irregulars".

- Deploy the "actual" army? This opinion goes straight to dead nigger storage.

- Surrounded their targets? They haven't even established supply lines yet, and it usually takes days before salients in an advance are discovered. Don't get too ahead of yourself.

- "If both sides want to avoid street fighting". Ukrainians do not want to avoid this. It's part of their military strategy.

But I could be totally wrong, the fog of war has blinded me and all my opinions go straight to dead nigger storage. I'm excited for the books that will be written about this, an actual test of the Russian doctrine vs a large scale invasion of a country.

 

[Fraiser crane]

This timeline

 

[pisswomble]

It is also really fucking hard to look into the depths of my cold, dead, black heart and support a country whose response to an invasion is to go on Twitter and say "REEEEE YOU SHOULD BAN RUSSIA'S TWITTER ACCOUNT."

Also, don't act like the EU and NATO also don't detest the American People.

No one likes Americans, but Russians have an extra special deep hatred for you. This whole 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' thing is stupid, he's not your friend and never will be. He has open contempt and hatred for the American people, each and every one of you.

 

[theshep]

Fuck. What a shame.

I flew across the country to see this beast in person when it landed here for the first time.

What an absolute waste. Not even from an aviation nerd point of view, but it was the only heavy lifting aircraft capable of moving certain payloads across the globe. All that capability is gone now, no aircraft can match it.

A very sad moment indeed.

 

[BradCarter]

Telegram is talking about censoring channels for information about the war. It would really dry up info from the Russian side

 

[HumanHive]

Holly shit, what a mess.

Lets point some things out:

1. Putin was so sure that this war will be a piece of cake that he didn't prepare for a war longer than couple of weeks.
2. Also, the russian invasion army was so fuckin small - what they was thinking, that they will beat up a heavily militarized country with 40 000 000 population with circa 200 000 troops? Really?
3. Also, Russians are not learning on own mistakes - as usual, they are trying to take a city (full of light infantry with anti-tank personal gun) only with unsupported tanks. This shit din't work in Grozny '94 (funfact: many of Ukrainian far-right fanatics from UNA-UNSO was fighting side by side with muslim extremists in that battle), and will not work in ANY city where is placed few guys with light rockets.

They also didn't think that west will support Ukraine in any way. NATO probably is secretly threating Russia with using force if any russian land units will be present in west Ukraine. And probably Russians have this on mind - well, they prepared pretty big force in Belarus with the aim to go on west Ukraine on general direction of Lviv, and from some reasons they didn't move on that part of border. Guess why?

Also, probably NATO will start using force in some way (e.g. no-fly zone west of Dnieper) if the war will not be ended by ceasefire in next week.

And yes, before war I was beting that Putin will not attack Ukraine - because as we see Russia have not enough force to conduct this war or to win it. Idea of getting 200 000 soldiers with shitty tanks and going into Ukraine was so stupid, and I was thinking that Russians are smart enough to see that and not starting a fire in their own house. Well... last tsar was also pretty stupid, and started war with no chance for victory. Perhaps Putin is more like Nicholas II.

Agreed. This is a complete failure in leadership. Russia has all the advantages, and they’re just throwing away lives and equipment for no other reason than “lol it’s an honor to die for the motherland”.

 

[mr.moon1488]

This is some next level delusion
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Nigga we have footage from half an hour ago of Russians in the city center.

People believe it though. Just an hour ago my boomer relatives were talking about this like it was the word of God.

 

[Terra Pax]

Which part? The existence of the labs? The fact it correlates where the Russians invaded? I'm missing the part that makes it schizophrenic.

Because if it's in the US it is subject to US law. There are things you cannot experiment on in the US like gain of function for example that you can in other countries that don't have as strict rules and guidelines.

Like.. everyone here is aware that the NIH was funding gain of function research/experiments in that lab in Wuhan by now right? There's a reason for that. Less oversight and less rules if the lab is not on US soil.

The fact that it correlates to where Russia invaded; as if that was the driving factor of the Russian invasion plan. They're part of something called the Biological Threat Reduction Programme which has existed for a long time and has operations in multiple countries across the world, including having helped the immediate post-USSR Russia with their own facilities.

Looking Back at the Biological Threat Reduction Program Through the Decades - Global Biodefense

This year marks three decades of collaboration spearheaded by the Department of Defense Cooperative Threat Reduction Program with foreign partners to

globalbiodefense.com

Also, since when does the US Government suddenly care about their own regulations and conducting illegal operations on their own soil? The US Government has numerous facilities in the United States for this kind of work, and they're all large, secured, facilities with large workforces because that's how you run a giant scientific research complex.

Maybe the Russians invaded that city Kharkiv right on their border because it's the second largest city in Ukraine? Along with all those map markers in the south immediately north of Crimea. Maruipol doesn't have a biolab apparently yet they went straight for it because it has strategic importance.

Also, if it was the reason - I think that Putin would have just said so.

 

[Wy4M]

Personally I just think Azov are a bunch of faggots and want them all to die like those gay assed Chechens did, but I'm sure everyone has their own reasons for who they cheer for

Mind that this is from a pro-Russia site but it wouldn't surprise me if this was also the case.
If I remember correctly then AZOV already became too powerful in 2014-2015 so a bunch of them were also sent to the frontlines.

Battle For Kharkov: Street Fighting Began (Video)

The fighting on the streets of Kharkov began in early hours of February 27. Fighting in the Karkov outskirts lasted...

southfront.org

 

[borsabil]

Mostly because there's plenty of easier places to stash bioweapons or biolabs. On US soil even.

The number one bar that any of the biolabs speculation has not cleared is: why Ukraine, and not just deep inawoods of Montana?

We live in a world where the US government has admitted to funding gain of function research in a People's Liberation Army bioweapons laboratory but burgers will still cope that they would never do something as crazy as conducting the same research on Russia's doorstep?

Why? Secrecy and funding. The Ukraine is a wholly owned subsidiary of the state department, everything that goes on there can be controlled and hidden. No reports to Congress, no annoying FOIA requests, no nosey journalists. Add on the vast streams of completely unaccounted for 'aid funding' that can be used for whatever the fuck they want. You may have noticed that despite receiving billions in western aid to mondernise their army the Ukrainians are currently fighting with 50 year old Soviet era weaponry and are begging every western capital for basic rations of ammo.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Aye, but then here's another question:

If you're operating a black bag biolab facility, why does regulation apply to you? Or better yet, why Ukraine, and not say, some shithole island off Cuba or Carribean or even Hawaii? It's schizo because nobody has been able to satisfactorily answer this question. The gain of function in Wuhan thing I presume is a collaboration with the Chinese, which means they're party to it. Here, there's no reason for Ukraine to be party to anything, so why there and not literally any other safer place?

It isn't necessarily black bag if you mean off the books completely. And one reason it would be in Ukraine is there already are ties of corruption in Ukraine due to the money laundering. You don't do it in Cuba because it's too much of a hassle to get there + there is a higher % chance someone leaks that info to fuck with you for political purposes on the world stage if you do it in a place that doesn't like you.

Hawaii is part of the US.

The rest of the Carribean is far away from any centers of power and people you would need to work this.

Ukraine is in Europe where a bunch of scientists already are. It's close enough that someone could fly to Paris or Amsterdam for a vacation and do some work on the side.

Idk the real reason obviously and these are answers from 10secs of thinking as to why. It doesn't sound implausible to me but hey maybe those labs don't exist at all.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

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Fuck. What a shame.

I flew across the country to see this beast in person when it landed here for the first time.

What an absolute waste. Not even from an aviation nerd point of view, but it was the only heavy lifting aircraft capable of moving certain payloads across the globe. All that capability is gone now, no aircraft can match it.

A very sad moment indeed.

Feb 28

 

[tyko]

My friend who is from mainland China told me Chinese social media is filled with anti-Ukraine posts that are viral, it's basically the opposite of Twitter and reddit.

 

[Terra Pax]

We live in a world where the US government has admitted to funding gain of function research in a People's Liberation Army bioweapons laboratory but burgers will still cope that they would never do something as crazy as conducting the same research on Russia's doorstep?

Why? Secrecy and funding. The Ukraine is a wholly owned subsidiary of the state department, everything that goes on there can be controlled and hidden. No reports to Congress, no annoying FOIA requests, no nosey journalists. Add on the vast streams of completely unaccounted for 'aid funding' that can be used for whatever the fuck they want. You may have noticed that despite receiving billions in western aid to mondernise their army the Ukrainians are currently fighting with 50 year old Soviet era weaponry and are begging every western capital for basic rations of ammo.

Then why wouldn't Putin just say so. If this was one of the driving factors? What's his reason for not exposing? Since it could be very easily spun into obviously good rhetoric about NATO using ethnic Russians and Ukrainians as a dumping ground for their research.

 

[Dave_Ph]

The schizophrenic delusion that a bunch of marks online absolutely know the true reason for everything that is happening, and all of this has nothing to do with everything everyone else is saying because their delusion is the proper one. I could fucking point out some places on a border that's currently being pressed and scream FUCK ME THEY'RE MAKING GUNDAMS and it wouldn't make it anymore or any less true, and if you're ready to believe me, then I have a bridge I'd love to sell you.

When one skips our meds we all
skip our meds

The serotonin storm is coming

 

[theshep]

Feb 28

Yeah, what about it? I'm in Australia gronk. Reporting live from your future.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Then why wouldn't Putin just say so. If this was one of the driving factors? What's his reason for not exposing? Since it could be very easily spun into obviously good rhetoric about NATO using ethnic Russians and Ukrainians as a dumping ground for their research.

It doesn't have to be one of the driving factors. Nobody said it was. That's a really weird rebuttal imo. We know his driving factors, if these labs existed and they did attack them on the way why would you tell the world information that you can use a) for yourself to use or b) as blackmail negotiating material?