Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Starscreams Cape]

If Putin stops now his popularity drops. He must conquer Ukraine or face internal/prestige consequences

No, even he realizes that is probably not going to happen now. He doesn't need complete conquest. At a MINIMUM he needs Ukraine to recognize the two provinces are now Russian and a guarantee of neutrality.

 

[mold]

Aye, but then here's another question:

If you're operating a black bag biolab facility, why does regulation apply to you? Or better yet, why Ukraine, and not say, some shithole island off Cuba or Carribean or even Hawaii? It's schizo because nobody has been able to satisfactorily answer this question. The gain of function in Wuhan thing I presume is a collaboration with the Chinese, which means they're party to it. Here, there's no reason for Ukraine to be party to anything, so why there and not literally any other safer place?

there's a good answer to this actually: because it's much easier to use legitimate commercial and military transport to move equipment and personnel in and out of a corrupt European shithole than it is to do that in and out of a tropical island paradise shithole. It would be much harder to disguise staffing and equipping a bioresearch lab in the Caribbean than it would be in Ukraine and in the South Pacific I don't even think it would be possible; you'd pretty much have to do it completely black which is risky and consumes human resources.

I have no opinion on the schizo quotient of this specific claim and just ran into it here on this thread but the idea that there would be biolabs in Ukraine doesn't seem implausible to me at all.

The real question is why not do it in the Southern Cone and they probably do.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Outrage on Twitter over niggers not allowed on Trains to Europe: Mutt's law

 

[BeautifulCancer]

He's gonna see if he can get what he wants through negotiations... doesn't cost him anything and there's no ceasefire, Ukraine agreed to negotiations without preconditions. Putin can jaw-jaw while still war-warring if he wants

I doubt Zelensky will give him the eastern part of Ukraine. Ukraine could join Nato after going to peace too so Putin's best shot is pushing westwards and subdue them now

 

[marfusha]

Exactly. The fact that they are choosing to stay silent instead of whipping up a propaganda storm like Ukraine means something.

Russian propaganda is working at full force, it's just most of it is targeted at russians.

 

[Borscht]

Maybe you have the comprehension of a toddler, never say he did, and he doesn't. But at some point, push people too much and they'll risk it all.

If you want people to be subservient to you, slap them, beat them. But kill their child/loved ones and you'll earn yourself a man who will live his/her life only to kill you.

And then Avengers show up and everybody claps.

If the direct threat of a nuclear war didn't make his entourage reach for the two-bullets-at-the=back-of-the-head-suicide gun, nothing will.

 

[AnOminous]

idk about that based on the thread ukraine is literally handing russias ass back to them, and they're getting heavily sanctioned to the point that their economy can collapse any day now, if putin is stupid enough to lead a costly invasion into a small country despite the severe economic costs then whose to say he wouldn't try and push that line?

I don't believe that. I believe Putin was entirely aware of the costs of doing this, including sanctions and the possibility of getting bogged down some time before victory, and he coldly and calculatedly went and did it anyway, while somewhat uncharacteristically going about it in a more civilized way than your usual blatantly illegal under international law invasion.

 

[Weeby Catto]

The nuke threats are implied to be against whatever country intervenes.

Yes of course, but it doesn't matter where he fires. The moment he fires it's game over for him. And that is also considering all his subordinates are also 100% gonna listen to him and fire.

 

[Coccxys]

what putin said about "redying the nuclear deterrent" is bullshit anyway. Like do you really think other countries like America or other western countries don't have the nuclear deterrent "ready" 24/7. he just said that to try to scare people.

It's the same thing as defcon, basically a readiness level. Or in other words an absolute nothingburger that the west are playing up to "Putin's going to nuke us, we need to invade them now!"

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Slowly starting to agree with my rabid anti american commie friend that literally all sanctions do is fuck poor people

That's because all they do is fuck the poor.

And I say this while not being a commie.

 

[Breadbassket]

Chechen forces in the "zone of the special operation" in Ukraine - posted by Ramzan Kadyrov

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Yes of course, but it doesn't matter where he fires. The moment he fires it's game over for him. And that is also considering all his subordinates are also 100% gonna listen to him and fire.

Some people forget that parts of the Russian army have tried a coup in recent times (1991). And they damn near succeeded.

 

[draggs]

I don't believe that. I believe Putin was entirely aware of the costs of doing this, including sanctions and the possibility of getting bogged down some time before victory, and he coldly and calculatedly went and did it anyway, while somewhat uncharacteristically going about it in a more civilized way than your usual blatantly illegal under international law invasion.

Well since Ukraine didn't attack and wasn't attacking Russia the entire war is the usual blatantly illegal under international law invasion

Zero difference between Ukraine 2022 and Iraq 2003... pre-emptive war against a claimed threat that didn't actually exist. We must invade Iraq because muh future WMD attacks and muh helping terrorists... we must invade Ukraine because muh future NATO invasion and muh helping Nazis

 

[Wyald]

Good to see [Brand] is supporting Ukraine!

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

If the niggers want a Ukrainian education, this is part of their tuition.

 

[Farmer Y]

An-225 is sadly gone if this image is correct.

 

[Niggaplease]

I don't believe that. I believe Putin was entirely aware of the costs of doing this, including sanctions and the possibility of getting bogged down some time before victory, and he coldly and calculatedly went and did it anyway, while somewhat uncharacteristically going about it in a more civilized way than your usual blatantly illegal under international law invasion.

then in that case whats next?
lets say russia fell to ukraine, and they incorperated russia would putin stop? or keep going else where?

 

[Cool Dog]

what putin said about "redying the nuclear deterrent" is bullshit anyway. Like do you really think other countries like America or other western countries don't have the nuclear deterrent "ready" 24/7. he just said that to try to scare people.

The russians never deactivated the Death Hand system, not even during the collapse in 1991 when at times there was nobody in control of the country

 

[Terra Pax]

Chechen forces in the "zone of the special operation" in Ukraine - posted by Ramzan Kadyrov
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Just when you thought we might get some war footage without having to here constant Allah Akbaring, they arrive.

 

[Kane Lives]

Good to see [Brand] is supporting Ukraine!

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The same tier of slacktivism as Freedom Fries.