Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Gay_nig_from_outer_space]

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Oooft. Next.

This is Hillary Clinton/Donald Trump, Donald Trump/Joe Biden shit, I'm sure.

Initially George Junior had full support from both parties for his Afghan and Iraq invasions. It's day 3 of ground operations in a defensive war, this is not a good sign for the Ukrainians political unity.

 

[76LD910]

Imagine yielding to an invading army's tank at an intersection lmao

You wouldn't yield to a tank ?

 

[Samir Al Hajeed]

no nukes was the deal the whole time tho. the second zelensky started blabbing about nukes was like putting a "rape me" sign on his back.
you're also talking as if putin had a lot of leverage in the first place. what's he supposed to do when push comes to shove, sanctions and sternly worded letters?

whatever you personally might think about the whole thing, pretty sure putin didn't just wake up one day with an itchy ballsack ready to fuck a country.

I don't know what spurred him into this but he didn't try his hardest to get peace, like I said, he could've at least given an ultimatium, everything identical up to the 24th except instead of invading say "no nukes or we'll invade". That's still taking it a bit far in my opinion but I don't see how you could honestly support bringing nukes into the country either so Putin wouldn't automatically be the bad guy.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

if western progressive liberals are blindly supporting literal Nazi enthusiasts.

as funny as Right wing larpers staning a coalition of a bunch of communists to own the lefties

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

You know some very nice RETIRED AND TOTALLY VOLUNTEER pilots could fly some NATO shit their way but I haven’t the foggiest as to how risky that would be.

The issue there is still the munitions one, plus the Ukrainians don't have infrastructure built up to support them. Easier to just give them something they can already use. The war might be over by the time they could train pilots in on a new fighter, same with mechanics.

 

[Granate37]

They're failing in a positive direction but definitely not doing as well as they'd hoped

I'm not sure about that.

 

[Toolbox]

Germany to uncuck self, spend 2-4% of its budget on defense:

Summary:

Does this involve them magically becoming energy independent again?

 

[killeveryonebombairport]

Potentially some good news for the Liveleak fans:

Mike Shelby (@grayzonewarlord)

Russians are posting pictures of dead Ukrainians and body parts on Uke social media with messages like "don't get yourself killed / don't get your brains blown out," etc. Unconfirmed reports that Rus MoD has reversed its policy on posting pictures. If true, expect a lot more.

nitter.net

russia is surprisingly bad at meme war. Putin have to start twitter and youtube channel, like navalny, so he could manipulate zoomers and millenials with ease.

 

[Doseferatu]

Anzov are a militia group that larp as Nazis and pull fucked up shit. It's kinda been absorbed into the Ukranian military because they fight separatists.

The interesting part is who funded them.

Ihor Kolomoyskyi, who also owns the 1+1 channel that ran "Servant of the People," starring and produced by none other than Zelenskyy.

Ihor is also Jewish, in a fascinating twist.

 

[The Ugly One]

You might want to take a look at the current ongoing plan to re-make the marine corps. There is a growing consensus
within the US establishment that whole concept of the traditional soldier is obsolete. I'm not saying I agree with it,
but its happening.

Obese black women don't make good soldiers, therefore, the soldier as a concept is flawed.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Doesn't Germany still have a few DDR Mig-29's? I know Poland does for sure.

Poland bought those from the Germans.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

I mean to he fair to Russia Zelensky went from something like 12% popularity to 92% popularity now. They didn’t think anyone would die protecting this guy.

 

[killeveryonebombairport]

But wait, there's more.

Russian forces also allegedly withdrawing from Kiev area. Either they're relocating or Putin is gonna actually do it to em.

source?

 

[Disheveled Human]

Putin likely believed the Ukrainians would put up only token resistance. STAVKA apparently planned accordingly, which was pretty fucking stupid of them. You plan for a variety of contingencies. "No plan survives contact with the enemy."

Now STAVKA is reworking their plans, but making fixes won't be easy. In the end, the Russians can win using brute force, at a terrible cost. Reminds me some of my namesake's 1939 attack on Finland. Finns kicked Soviet ass. But in March 1940, with new plans and additional forces, the Soviets were breaking through. Finland sued for peace and got it, at the cost of territory. Made my namesake and the USSR pariahs throughout much of the world. Then the next year the Finns joined the Germans in the attack on the USSR. Basically, the Finns took back everything they lost the year before.

Putin underestimated 3 main things.
1. Ukrainian Resolve
2. Western Democracy and its Alliances
3. Economic Ramifications

 

[3-2-1836]

Civilians driving happily down the highway alongside a column of MBTs has been one of the weirdest things of this war

Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast)

polite invasion

nitter.net

Supposedly that happened in 2003 during the Invasion of Iraq when U.S. forces first entered Baghdad U.S. M1 Abrams found themselves amidst the morning rush hour traffic on the main north-south highway due to Iraqi media denying U.S. forces were anywhere near Baghdad.

 

[Breadbassket]

Probably trying to set himself up as a potential head of government for the puppet state Russia plans.

Perhaps. He was a candidate in the 2019 presidential election (the one Zelensky got elected in) and is a former leader of the Socialist Party of Ukraine. The Opposition Platform - For Life has quite a few people in the Ukrainian parliament. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some jockeying for power internally to see who will be in charge of a puppet state in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine.

Here is what the Rada structure looks like currently (immediately before the war anyway):

 

[Vindeo]

Does this involve them magically becoming energy independent again?

germany rn.

 

[Granate37]

Does this involve them magically becoming energy independent again?

No. Energy independence = Nuclear power and nuclear power is RACIST.

 

[LostMy1stAccount]

Anyone good at translating Slavic languages?

This is allegedly "Ukrainian Member of Parliament Illia Kyva" speaking out against Zelenskyy, claiming he knew that war would break out and did nothing to prevent it.

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My slavic is a little rusty but what I could make out of it is that he says that it isn't heroic to send people into their deaths and that heroism should be about protecting the people.
He indeed says that Zelensky knew about the war but didn't try to negotiate peacefully. And that he (Zelensky) will have to take responsibility for this sooner or later.

 

[HumanHive]

Yeah, that sounds like bullshit. 9/11 was only DEFCON 3.

BTW, we went to DEFCON 2 on January 15, 1991, right when we invaded Iraq the first time. So the Cuban Missile Crisis isn't the most recent time.

Yeah, Defcon is force readiness, not the military equivalent to the Doomsday clock.