Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Gehenna]

Those supply lines have been set up for some time and materiel transported over them, they aren't building from scratch here. Western weapon supply is about the only reason Ukraine is still in the fight at all.

You have far too much faith in NATO right here.

You'd think, you'd really think, that after all the support Ukraine was given publically they'd have actually planned for and set up this kind of stuff.




They didn't. Ukraine got a few one-off drops of supplies over time, but no continuous supply lines were ever actually established.

 

[Random Internet Person]

That's the perfect analogy.

They don't exactly know why they're agitated, but they got the pheromone signal from the top and were primed to be pissed as hell at the next thing they saw. Now they're swarming Russia with a hatred they couldn't possibly articulate and if you get in the way, they're happy to destroy you too.

With the Cold War and 2016 stacked on top of that, of course they were ready for this shit to pop off.

 

[Ron Jeremy Stan Account]

Yeah. Back when a gallon of gas was $0.99 and so was a Whopper. You could buy a pack of Luckies nonfilter for 8 quarters from the cigarette machine at the grocery store. No social media, no smartphones. It’s really sad to think that as fucked up as things were back then and they were because nothings perfect, things were 100x better than they are now and they’ll never be that good again, (at least as far as the US is concerned, can’t speak for anywhere else).

As long as we're on the nostalgia tangent, I'd also like to gleefully reminisce about how cheap food was back then. I got my first job in my early teens in the '90s, and I remember how Burger King did a special promotion where an entire meal was $2.22. I tried explaining this to my younger relatives recently, and they had a hard time wrapping their heads around that considering a large fry is like $3.75 itself, and any combo is like $7 at its cheapest.

But it's a lot more than cheap greasy food that gets me longing for days of yore: it's the simplicity of life without social media, a life with more freedom, and a life without fear of offending clinically insane people. It was a world of optimism. Sure, cheap food made it great too, but it was a general sense of hopefulness and personal liberty. Pre-Millennium era America was one of the last truly great times.

 

[Gay_nig_from_outer_space]

But we have to care because the hashtags told us to!

Honestly I find it unbelievable, even by my standards, that the people are truly this ignorant. Although it's kinda hilarious that the de facto Praetorian Guard of Zelinsky are a bunch of Slavic neo-Nazis. The stupidest kind. I'm of German ancestry heavily and I don't even like normal Nazis, these guys would be gassed by Adolf Hitler before you could say blitzkrieg.

Idk if this is the case with hohol Nazi's but with Russian ones this is how it works

Germans were the master race.

Russians beat them.

Therefore, Russians are the master race.

 

[Bananadana]

I think modern ATGMs might have something to say about that.

To be fair, that goes for every military unit, including infantry as countless videos from the middle east prove.

Even keeping NATO where it is right now is probably beyond US voters' appetite or interest for international engagement.

That did not stop them from arming the fuck out of Ukraine, both before and after the war started.
Nobody in NATO countries wants them to keep fucking around but they seem to care quite little about what the peasants have to say about this.

 

[Dave_Ph]

Especially in 2024. There'll be a new Hitler to defeaterino with whoever the Republican candidate will be. Doubly so if it's Trump. The Marvel and Harry Potter larping will be turned up to 11.

You think the Dems area going to allow another election. How cute.
Now tell me the one about "Constitutional Rights"

 

[mr.moon1488]

Lol I do expect there will be a rebound at some point, but this seems highly optimistic. There will only be a rebound after A, the war is over, and B, people realize that damn near every western sanction can be evaded by cutting new deals with China.

https://twitter.com/anu_financial/status/1498160924120981504

 

[mudwogg]

That's the perfect analogy.

They don't exactly know why they're agitated, but they got the pheromone signal from the top and were primed to be pissed as hell at the next thing they saw. Now they're swarming Russia with a hatred they couldn't possibly articulate and if you get in the way, they're happy to destroy you too.

Its the same kind of "mind control" that enabled the hivemind to cheerlead the Iraq War of 2003. It also applied to Libya in 2011 and Syria afterwards.

 

[make_it_so]

I'm done derailing the thread after this. But yes I'm aware we have a little domestic 7.62 production. Problem is right now, even with Russian/slavic imports it's more expensive than .223. When 90% of supply dries up it'll only get worse until domestic ramps up. It might be years and I don't want drop 2.5k on a rifle that wastes $30 each time I dump a mag

There's been speculation that other Eastern European nations will pick up the slack - I've been seeing an uptick in imports from Bosnia.

What's really fucked is 5.45, since pretty much no one outside of Russia uses it. Romania I believe still has some low level production but it's not going to be able to fill the gap.

 

[Disheveled Human]

I'm sure spreading further rumors that there are hidden enemies seeking to do harm won't do anything to increase the paranoia and bloodletting in Quee-Ef

ASB News / MILITARY〽️ (@ASBMilitary)

Very unreliable British media: “More than 400 Russian mercenaries are operating in Kyiv with orders from the Kremlin to assassinate President Zelensky and his government and prepare the ground for Moscow to take control, The Times has learnt.”

nitter.net

If they kill Zelenskyy that would be a huge hit to morale for Ukraine, no doubt one of the goals of the Russians are to kill or capture him.

 

[Richardface]

You have far too much faith in NATO right here.

You'd think, you'd really think, that after all the support Ukraine was given publically they'd have actually planned for and set up this kind of stuff.




They didn't. Ukraine got a few one-off drops of supplies over time, but no continuous supply lines were ever actually established.

Yeah there was a lot of media coverage and they were all directly flown in C-17s by the USAF and RAF directly to Kiev airport

Idk if this is the case with hohol Nazi's but with Russian ones this is how it works

Germans were the master race.

Russians beat them.

Therefore, Russians are the master race.

According to Beevor's book on the fall of Berlin Hitler was saying this at the end

 

[Socrates]

Lol I do expect there will be a rebound at some point, but this seems highly optimistic. There will only be a rebound after A, the war is over, and B, people realize that damn near every western sanction can be evaded by cutting new deals with China.
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https://twitter.com/anu_financial/status/1498160924120981504

Wall street has been desperately trying to keep the delusion going since the nasdaq fell off a cliff. I hope we get to see bankers jumping from buildings.

 

[Meat Target]

In 5 years' time, the general western public will forget this war even happened like they did the Chechen war. Twitter and Reddit will certainly forget this whole debacle in 2024 along with Afghanistan.

That's the perfect analogy.

They don't exactly know why they're agitated, but they got the pheromone signal from the top and were primed to be pissed as hell at the next thing they saw. Now they're swarming Russia with a hatred they couldn't possibly articulate and if you get in the way, they're happy to destroy you too.

You know what REALLY feels like an Antediluvian memory? All that wailing and grinding of teeth over the repeal of "net neutrality". I genuinely thought Redditors were gonna have brain aneurysms they were so hysterical.

They literally said people would die without net neutrality.

 

[GreeneCoDeputy]

But we have to care because the hashtags told us to!

Honestly I find it unbelievable, even by my standards, that the people are truly this ignorant. Although it's kinda hilarious that the de facto Praetorian Guard of Zelinsky are a bunch of Slavic neo-Nazis. The stupidest kind. I'm of German ancestry heavily and I don't even like normal Nazis, these guys would be gassed by Adolf Hitler before you could say blitzkrieg.

I love that everyone is autistically clinging to this idea of "neo Nazis," calling them stupid, while apparently being unable to point out any other single unit in the Ukrainian military that has any renown.

Obviously they understand the potency of their coopting some Germanic/Scandinavian symbolism as the strongest statement of their rejection of Russian culture and influence as well as the history of the Galician division.

It's amazing that people will simultaneously spaz about horrible neo Nazis and Jews in the same sentence. It's peak unwitting irony while obviously the Jews in this equation grasp the motivation and significance behind the "Nazi" symbolism better than the Westerners who act offended on the Jews' behalf.

tl;dr seethe faggot no one cares if you object to "Nazi" symbolism

 

[capitalBBustard]

Also the Japanese military were planning a coup to keep the war going, and training civilians to fight with useless bamboo spears. America did a lot during WW2, but nuking Japan ended the war pretty definitively and as a result was completely justified.

Soviets invading Manchuria was the real kiss of death, japanese foreign policy was desperately praying that the Soviet Union would try to mediate a peace as a thank you for Japan never breaking their non-aggression pact. Stalin breaking the NAP meant it was a race to occupy Japan, any shred of hope for a conditional surrender died. Better to get completely occupied by the USA at that point. Fin.

Blaming the nukes was to save face, unbarivabru superweapons defeated muh deity emperor. At most they maybe sped up the surrender by a month. As much as junior officers wanted to larp invincibru samurai, our honor demands death war, higher ups weren't retarded.

Edit: I mean look at this horse shit

But now the war has lasted for nearly four years. Despite the best that has been done by everyone--the gallant fighting of our military and naval forces, the diligence and assiduity of out servants of the State and the devoted service of our 100,000,000 people--the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interest.

Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.

"We did great, things didn't work out, anyway nukes are sole reason we lost, which they used to murder innocent people aren't ganjins evil, btw these stupid americans will kill humanity just to defeat us, we must stop UwU." Shit's seethrough.

 

[mudwogg]

In 5 years' time, the general western public will forget this war even happened like they did the Chechen war. Twitter and Reddit will certainly forget this whole debacle in 2024 along with Afghanistan.

Unlike Crimea and Chechnya. Numerous Western leaders actually have stakes (eg illegal businesses) in Ukraine which is part of the corruption going on in the country. Ukraine is also one of the largest markets for human trafficking. To the US/NATO, invasion is only ok if they do it.

And yes, I agree it's likely to be forgotten in time. Just like every previous conflict.

 

[Gehenna]

Yeah there was a lot of media coverage and they were all directly flown in C-17s by the USAF and RAF directly to Kiev airport

Which is all fine and dandy... until they lose the airport.

There is a reason that every stable supply line seeks to create a continuous land route or, at worst, a good naval route. They are reliable and by far the easiest to ship in -bulk-.

This will become more important in only a few more days. Modern cities do not have a lot of food storage at all. About a week is all it takes for most modern cities to run dry of food. And once they do, things are going to get -bad-. The only way to offset it is fresh shipments in through those same ground supply lines.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter]

Those supply lines have been set up for some time and lots of materiel transported over them, they aren't building from scratch here. Western weapon shipments are about the only reason Ukraine is still in the fight at all. They're shooting off shoulder-fired rockets like it's going to be outlawed tomorrow and they haven't come close to running out yet

Really? Maybe they should try shooting them at Russian tanks.

 

[Kane Lives]

You know what REALLY feels like an Antediluvian memory? All that wailing and grinding of teeth over net neutrality. I genuinely thought Redditors were gonna have brain aneurysms they were so hysterical.

Net Neutrality was just a Big Tech ploy to keep ISPs out from their little elite group.

 

[Netizennameless]

Not sure if this means anything, but the Twitter algorithm seems to be throwing up less Ukraine war stuff today.

Some thoughts on the West's strong condemnations and various actions to hurt Russia. Does anyone else not disagree with them, but is left with an uncomfortable feeling about them? Especially with the hypocrisy due to how much bullshit America and others have done with so little consequence.

I don't feel any discomfort at all about it. The US military is the reason Europe gets to have universal Healthcare. In turn they do what they are told when it matters.

The mistake is thinking the US government or military give one single fuck about the world's opinion of us. We could go isolationist at any time and be completely independent if we wanted to. There is a 0% chance of a foreign power conquering the US homeland.

The US government and military operate based on the stomachs of the US public. In WW2 a sizable chunk of the populace wanted to fight the nazis and japs themselves, and as a result we developed and used (tested) two atomic bombs on civilian targets. Behind closed doors, the US government imported half the nazi science program with new coats of paint.

They also straight up lied to the people at home, and as cameras have proliferated around the world the rules of engagement have gotten increasingly cucked. Kinda like how the Russian soldiers are behaving today.

It surely is a fucking atrocious look for us all globally and will surely be another factor in the decline of the west's power and influence. As it really solidifies we're racist entitled assholes who afford themselves a different standard than the rest of the world.

This is naive. Nobody in power anywhere gives a fuck about human life. They never have. It's all been an eternal game of propaganda, only in 2022 the internet has laid global politics bare for all to see. The US government will do whatever the people will let it get away with, and the rest of the world will do whatever they can that doesn't give the US government enough of an excuse to go to war. Because they fucking want to at all times.

Everywhere I look, I see a complete lack of self-awareness that we, the west have invaded and bombed a shit tonne of countries in recent years. Russia may be asshole here, but we're definitely making sure we're reminding the world we are also asshole.

See above. Compassionate government has always been a psyop. The US government is willing to do literally anything they think won't result in them being thrown out of office or strung up from a lamp post.