Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Fcret]

Sweet.

So, we will see a nice revolution in Russia. Or Russia will pay debts of their people.

Rumours: some of frozen assets will be nationalized by western Europe. Sbierbank in Austria will probably be annexed into other bank.

Russia will probably ruble-ize the current loans which means... refinancing them at the 20+% interest rate of the Russian central bank.

 

[Reddit Gold]

Is anyone else neutral? Like in honestly both sides are fags just one want more pity then the other

Pl ahead: my babe support the Ukraine as yes there is real people harmed etc and actually looked in non American report. But the ghost fag feel like fake news.

I'm Russian, anti-Putin and still neutral. Putin is a prick but he's being a prick on purpose because this blatant invasion spits at the international rule of law, which is really just a sugar-coated colonial law infamous for being a 'rules for thee but not for me'. Yes he's blatantly disregarding the human cost but so does the Ukrainian government (never-mind the sending of arms by EU forces, which is as absolutely as stupid as the USSR's attempt to support Spain's Republican government 1934.) Everyone is sable-rattling and doing psy-ops that appeal to no one except internet LARPers and nationalists. It's a conflict between shits and any level-headed person should honestly just abstain from being invested in this.

 

[mudwogg]

Half a million Iraqis died as a direct consequence of our invasion.

There's Libya and interestingly, the US operated in Syria as ISIS's airforce.

 

[Dave_Ph]

Any word on peace talks?

Nyet

 

[дядя Боря]

Why are Ukrainians making films about Russian history? I thought they didn't have a history with Russia.

Russian history start only from 18th century. If you want to go back we are talking about kingdom of Muscovia or Tartaria as they were known back then.

 

[Pork Packer]

-Demilitarization and denazification(how the fuck does that work?)

Basically it means Ukraine must give the Russian Government the final say on whomever gets appointed/elected to any position within the Ukrainian state, and anyone who shows "nationalist" tendencies (i.e. is not a fawning russia sycophant) gets removed from office immediately and charged for nazism

Its a bit like that ibram kendi critical race retard's schtick about how the US constitution needs to be altered to mandate anyone and everyone who is part of any organ of state must be vetted by "experts" to make sure they are sufficiently anti-raysist (and strangely showing dissent to anything they are told to do is proof they are infact raysist)

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Literally Russia is conducting the most humane war in the third millenium.

Yeap, in humane way they are bombing residental districts of Kharkov.

Funny: that city has large Russian minority. That animals are just blowing out their only supporters in Ukraine.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Not really, aside from Ukrainean delegation showing up in t-shirts and demanding Russia packs up its toys and goes home. Oh, and they want Crimea back, too. I am not kidding.

Russian side demans "demilitarization and denazification", whatever THAT means, and Ukraine renouncing its claim on Crimea. Whoops, my Crusader Kings are leaking out again.

Russia still demanding:
-Ukraine gives up claims to Crimea
-Ukraine remains neutral
-Demilitarization and denazification(how the fuck does that work?)

So negotiations haven't moved an inch. In other news, Ukraine is pushing to remove Russia from interpol. Dunno what that accomplishes as any travel between Russia and the EU is effectively banned

So both sides are not taking talks seriously.

 

[NJBear]

Ukraine showed up, didn't take the thing seriously and demanded that the Russians restore the 2014 borders of Ukraine including Crimea. The Ukrainians used
it as a photo op to show what tough warriors they are by dressing badly. It was kind of predictable.

So, um we're going to get nuked.

 

[Fivehead]

So in the media front, we see that we have a full-on war between the entire Western World and Russia. Devastating losses, 6 million Russian troops dead as the Brave Avengers of Keeyuiev defend the country from Hitler 2.0. Economic sanctions that Russia will never ever recover from. Some are calling it Russia's suicide. Putler to be executed for War Crimes in Nuremberg after it's over.

But in reality:

The Russian oil is still flowing with full cooperation through Ukraine????

This is all theatre.

 

[Ted_Logan]

I'm Russian, anti-Putin and still neutral. Putin is a prick but he's being a prick on purpose because this blatant invasion spits at the international rule of law, which is really just a sugar-coated colonial law infamous for being a 'rules for thee but not for me'. Yes he's blatantly disregarding the human cost but so does the Ukrainian government (never-mind the sending of arms by EU forces, which is as absolutely as stupid as the USSR's attempt to support Spain's Republican government 1934.) Everyone is sable-rattling and doing psy-ops that appeal to no one except internet LARPers and nationalists. It's a conflict between shits and any level-headed person should honestly just abstain from being invested in this.

Base and thank you so much for your insight dude as in reality both are bad to begin with.

 

[God of Nothing]

Well. Some of them think that Russian History is Ukrainian History. For various reasons, they consider the slavic proto-state founded by "Rurik the Rus" (who was not a slav) to be the predecessor state to "Ukraine".

The truth is that Russia, Belerus and Ukraine all have a common early history. One of their histories cant be untangled from all of their histories. But the nationalists all disagree and know that
their particular state is the "senior" state from which all civilization and all history in the region derives. And so all the nationalists attempt to claim bits and pieces of that shared history
as their own.

Russian history start only from 18th century. If you want to go back we are talking about kingdom of Muscovia or Tartaria as they were known back then.

It's complicated like that. Super Rus split off and then the Mongols came. Truth is they were all part of a big, older proto-nation that went by a completely different name. Any of them can claim to be the real one. Russia just has the power to flex on the smaller ones.

 

[AnOminous]

If social media and news started pushing that oops we made a mistake and found out the Ukrainian people were all Nazi's and Putin was actually fighting it the shit would reverse and leftists would be pushing for Putin to install his government to get rid of the Nazi's and the people on /pol would be simping for Ukraine.

It's like they haven't noticed that most Ukrainians are whiter than the driven snow.

 

[MelloYello]

Not really, aside from Ukrainean delegation showing up in t-shirts and demanding Russia packs up its toys and goes home. Oh, and they want Crimea back, too. I am not kidding.

Looks like Zelensky really wants to make muh six gorillion to end up dead by fighting tanks with paint buckets.
Well, fuck him, I hope he ends like Gaddafi. Assuming he isn't hiding in Tel-Aviv already...

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

So in the media front, we see that we have a full-on war between the entire Western World and Russia. Devastating losses, 6 million Russian troops dead as the Brave Avengers of Keeyuiev defend the country from Hitler 2.0. Economic sanctions that Russia will never ever recover from. Some are calling it Russia's suicide. Putler to be executed for War Crimes in Nuremberg after it's over.

But in reality:
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The Russian oil is still flowing with full cooperation through Ukraine????

This is all theatre.

Remember how I railed on the EU and Ukraine for being fucking Cucks?

 

[Gregg Turkington]

Doesn't matter its not a justified war and in court you cant say sure I murderd someone for a bad reason but at least I did it humanely.

Sounds similar to Iraq, no? Honestly whether a war is justified or not is unimportant in my opinion unless a country with that view has the ability to enforce a peace - which no country has in this case. You can scream and shout that this war is illegal, aggressive, unjustified from the sidelines as much as you want, as many countries did during American wars. Doesn't change the fact that it's happening and can only be stopped by Russia. It's just Great Power Politics.

 

[TruthSeekingDaimon]

What if Britain waited until papa Hitler significantly damaged USSR and then start the conflict?

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

If anyone tells you "but Ukraine was peaceful and had no nazis", just show them this. Yevhen Karas the leader of Ukrainian neo-Naz1 group C14, supported by the government, multiple of it's members were freed from custody by government's initiative after assaulting people. Speech took place in Kiev earlier this month.

TL'DR He basically says "when Russia collapses under sanctions, we're gonna attack western regions like Hungary, because EU is going to collapse anyway and the US just uses us". And mentions the idea of having nuclear weapons, which Zelensky would mention later too.

 

[Kickster]

The next one will proclaim himself a hero while turning Russia into a shithole.

So Putin 2.0

 

[Strix454]

So in the media front, we see that we have a full-on war between the entire Western World and Russia. Devastating losses, 6 million Russian troops dead as the Brave Avengers of Keeyuiev defend the country from Hitler 2.0. Economic sanctions that Russia will never ever recover from. Some are calling it Russia's suicide. Putler to be executed for War Crimes in Nuremberg after it's over.

But in reality:

The Russian oil is still flowing with full cooperation through Ukraine????

This is all theatre.

Yes. It is. But you are not supposed to be here, reading things here or know any of that. You are supposed to be watching CNN and reading reddit where you will be protected
from reality.