Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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IMO kicking Russia off SWIFT will, in the long run, destroy SWIFT. The central condition of SWIFT access was compliance with American KYC/AML, not that you comply with whatever the State Department wants this week. Now that Washington has clearly established that SWIFT is a foreign policy tool, and access to it can be terminated at will by us for reasons completely unrelated to its claimed purpose & conditions, other countries are going to evaluate it on that basis, and probably seek alternatives.
Now, help me understand something here. SWIFT is sort of like a common protocol to deal with financial transactions, correct? And it is actually Belgian in origin.

How did America come to dominate this ostensibly neutral financial instrument?
 
I just find it hard to sympathize for them, being oligarchs and all. I’d be surprised if any of them were living in their NY apartments right now honestly, and if they were they can pay for security. I would guess the main motivation for publishing the addresses is gossip/the NYT being a tabloid paper.
It's just the New York Post being the urinal cake of American journalism again. Also if a Kiwi had doxed all these oligarchs, he would have done a better job and we'd probably have porn of at least one of them by now.
How did America come to dominate this ostensibly neutral financial instrument?
There's this little thing called the Yankee dollar.
 
This may very well be the EU thinking they can start up TAYLOR that will be SWIFT but controlled by the EU instead of the US. US/China/Russia aren't the only maneuverings going on.
They've perpetually put this off because of how much interstate trade is still cleared using dollars in the EU, and the US has flat-out said that if they go their own way on this, that they'll lose favored access to USD clearing.

If they were going to seriously move on this, it should have been 15 years ago when the euro was still ascendant and not buoyed by US credit-default swaps.
 
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Kharkov was getting shredded by bombs earlier today. It was seemingly caused by a BM-30 Smerch (link).



Here's another video for that. Make sure to turn down the volume; this one's fucking loud (link).



Ukrainian civies in Berdyansk protest against the Russian occupation (link).



"Saboteurs" get captured at Zhuliany aiport in Kiev (link).

 
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It's truly insane they decided to redo the Bush playbook to the exact detail. Unfortunately for them and the rest of America we don't have the post 90s boom economy anymore. The next few years are going to be very bad time for the US.
Shitlibs have the memory span of a gnat with a concussion.
 
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Knowing the Democrats they’re already drawing up plans to do so. They had no issues pilfering Japanese, Germans, and Italians in the past. They’ll find a reason to seize funds from immigrants and small business owners again.
Kind of shows the difference between them and Dubya, who gave a speech post 9/11 urging no hate towards American muzzies and only went after foreign muzzies.

Whereas Obama murdered an American muzzie, given that muzzie was a traitor by reasonable measures, but still it was done without a trial iirc.

Ny post doxed property owned by Russian oligarchs:

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Now ask them to do China and Saudi Arabia next if now we are so heavily concerned with foreign ownership of properties within the United States.

Non white nations generally do not allow ownership of property by foreigners.
 
News from the frontlines:
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I've been impressed but not surprised how quickly the powers that be have had people go completely kill crazy over a conflict no American is physically involved in and that would, without sanctions, never affect any of their lives. Double that for the EU where the sanctions will fuck them up along with Russia.
What's even crazier is we're seeing the same types of rhetoric from the left that you saw after 9/11 under Bush. A lot of these fucking retards were growing up when that shit happened (and probably still appose it to this day) but are literally fucking repeating it. We are doomed to repeat the same mistakes until they end in nuclear Armageddon.

It's also amazing how quickly the left has become bigger nationalists than the right over night without suffering any whiplash. These asshats have no self awareness, I'm starting to believe the NPC meme might be literally true. These people must not actually have a soul.
 
Now, help me understand something here. SWIFT is sort of like a common protocol to deal with financial transactions, correct? And it is actually Belgian in origin.

How did America come to dominate this ostensibly neutral financial instrument?

Because we measure other countries GDP's against individual states in the US.
 
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No. Monkey Putin is an ancient meme going back to 2017. It's popular on /int/ because it drives one of the resident Russian tranny jannies insane, but it also appeared on /qa/, /s4s/, /tg/, and a lot of other boards. /pol/tards really out themselves as being election tourists by not knowing about it.
 
The war on the American "enemy within" begins. And its totally appropriate that a monster like Hillary Clinton kicks it off.
More appropriate given how it was her State Department in concert with numerous others that fomented the coup that eventually brought Sky Marshal Zelensky to power, and that she and her "foundation" received untold IGG out of the Ukrainian shit-pipe.
 
Now, help me understand something here. SWIFT is sort of like a common protocol to deal with financial transactions, correct? And it is actually Belgian in origin.

How did America come to dominate this ostensibly neutral financial instrument?
They generally put pressure on the EU. And agreements are created between the EU and the US which are outside the scope of any democratic or legal process
within the EU to challenge.
It started years ago when the US demanded access to bank transaction records internationally from SWIFT and the EU gave it to them. It was one of those
things that was to "fight terrorism" but ended up being used for lots of different purposes.

Then the US Senate started threatening SWIFT in 2012 and basically extorting them into supporting US policy on Iran. Again, an agreement was reached between
the undemocratic and unaccountable parts of the EU government and the US that forced SWIFT to comply.

Control of SWIFT depends on the worst aspects of how the EU works. The EU has enormous powers to regulate and strongarm businesses that are outside
of any democratic or legal context. They just do things and there is no way to hold them to account for it.
 
I just find it hard to sympathize for them, being oligarchs and all. I’d be surprised if any of them were living in their NY apartments right now honestly, and if they were they can pay for security. I would guess the main motivation for publishing the addresses is gossip/the NYT being a tabloid paper.
Oh, believe me friend. I shed little tears when billionaires get their penthouses vandalised or whatever. They can afford it.

But the precedent it sets cannot be understated. What next? Are newspapers allowed to publish all Russian-born small business owners next? Maybe all the home addresses of innocent, Americans whose only crime is being born from a Russian immigrant family? Alarmist, I know, but this is clown world. (Now that I think about it, wasn't there an outcry about some trashy tabloids leaking the addresses of gun owners?)
It's been fun, but I won't have time to contribute much to this thread anymore. Therefore, I'll summarize my thoughts before I become more passive.

I personally find myself leaning strongly towards Ukraine in this conflict, but not for reasons you might expect. Many people on this thread seem to be so obsessed with social media and some enmity against certain odious groups and politicians that they can't see why anyone would be able to find themselves on the same side as the Western global elite.

I for one first came to this thread on the 19th. This is when I personally felt it was inevitable that a major war was going to start. This both fascinated and terrified me. Not because I felt any specific sympathy for Ukraine or its corrupt government, but because I could see parallels to history for my own country.

Ukraine started out as an autonomous part of a greater empire, the Soviet Union, and slowly developed its own fledgeling national identity. This identity is still young and not fully developed, but it still exists as something separate from Russia. Now it has had 30 years to create its own independent identity, customs and nationhood that make it out to be something unique.

My country, Finland, has had a very similar history. First, we were Swedes, then an independent Grand Duchy of Russia that allowed for the creation of a new national identity, and finally a country independent of Russia. We too had 30 years to develop a national identity as an independent nation before our old overlord came demanding us to return to the fold. Ukraine now faces a situation similar to what Finland faced in the Winter War.

Despite being a full-blooded Chukhna, I have always had a deep respect and adoration for Russia. I have even described myself as a Russophile. Since I was a child, I've had the chance to travel in Russia and always felt a deep spiritual and emotional connection to it. Something that is probably not too far from the love affair that people like Sir Enoch Powell and Yuri Bezmenov had with India. I learned (but never mastered) the language, made many great friends and even briefly considered converting to Orthodoxy, the religion of my East-Karelian ancestors. I felt that despite its authoritarianism, Russia was a strong and patriotic nation that would be able to hold its own in the world. With time, I thought, Russia could open up, but keep its strong national identity. Something that very few countries in this world are able to achieve. Something that could serve as an example to the entire world, including the West.

Now, I feel that that dream has been destroyed. Russia has made itself an international pariah. Any support for Russians or Russian identity will be faced with utter hostility from the West. All this while Russia destroys itself economically turning itself, seemingly intentionally, into a failed state. I do not see the current Russian government lasting for more than a few years. After that, there will be a new order in Russia that could turn it into something similar to the Western globalized states that lack any sense of unity of national spirit. The globalists will win in Russia and they will not need to fire a single shot.

I support Ukraine because I feel that every nation that is willing to fight for its independence has earned the right to exist.
I support Ukraine because the only way I see Russia retaining even a shred of itself is if has to reconsider its options and retreat.
I support Ukraine because I love Russia, and I hate seeing what it has become.
Your contribution is much appreciated. I pray and hope both nations come out of this intact, but I fear this will never be the case, and we're seeing the sun setting on two proud nations.

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It's also amazing how quickly the left has become bigger nationalists than the right over night without suffering any whiplash. These asshats have no self awareness, I'm starting to believe the NPC meme might be literally true, these people must not actually have a soul.
They're not nationalists. They'll switch back to their "America is racist and rotten to its core" once we move on to next month's outrage.
 
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What the hell is the "CIPSO"?
Now will western social media investigate this or will this be swept away like all the exposed prowar propaganda in Syria?

Don't you love state-sanctioned witch hunts?
It gives me an excuse to be self-important and harm people for pleasure in my otherwise mundane life. I've hunted arabs in 2001, Nazis since 2015, and now Russians. I'll earn that blue checkmark.

I remember people memeing during the Iran drama that poor white men are sent to die in wars for the rich and everyone else.
 
Now, help me understand something here. SWIFT is sort of like a common protocol to deal with financial transactions, correct? And it is actually Belgian in origin.

How did America come to dominate this ostensibly neutral financial instrument?
Because SWIFT uses dollars. It's like every other "international" system that ends up being a Washington proxy because it's an extension of the US banking system.
 
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