Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Fraiser crane]

The special forces unit known as the "Ranchers of Kyiv" specialize in llama mounted warfare and chemical stench weaponry to deter Russian troops from advancing, it was working exceptionally well defending the capital and preventing Putin's progress but unfortunately they where late for their weekly dilation which prompted them to return which allowed the Russian troops to enter the capital

I hope a vacuum bomb dilates their transport

 

[LeChampion1992]

A funny aspect of the sanctions, and their tanking of the Russian Ruble on forex markets, is that it makes Russian exports all the more appealing to those still willing to trade with Russia. With their currency weakened, Russian exports now have a big ON SALE sticker that makes them more competitive on int'l markets.

Arguably, Germany does this on purpose by keeping the likes of Greece within the Eurozone; it drags down the overall price of the Euro on forex markets, thereby making Volkswagens and other German manufactured goods more competitive on int'l markets, compared to if they were still on the Deutschmark. Eurozone shenanigans are the reason Germany is able to consistently run a gigantic trade surplus.

Yeah I expect cheaper oil within five years assuming it doesn't turn into fallout/the collapse of the world. Because if the Dems aren't rigged in by 2024 because they lose the midterms badly yeah I thourghly expect the GOP to say open up oil or we get with prairie Canada and seccede from the Union. Assuming that TDS doesn't override American interests and muh GOP and muh oil evil climate change need to be punished because they're "literally Hitler" the neocons played a very dumb and stupid game with drumming up trump derangement syndrome on the US. Because now if they push us to a war under a D president that no one wants expect to see right wingers furious Because their kid died in Iraq for A war they vehemently opposed too. Yes you can January 6th anti war protests for only so long until you destabilize your country to the point average people care and take up arms.

 

[Matt Damon]

Twitter attention spans.

1939 - LIGHTNING WAR!

2022 - What's taking so long?

 

[Breadbassket]

Yeah I'm not going to charge into a battle zone but if my choice is "t shirt and jorts" or "t shirt and jorts and some random Digimon trainer wrist braces and a gay ass bike helmet and shit" I'm gonna go with the extra gear

The world would truly fear an army equipped in whatever gear they could find at a local thrift store.

 

[Socrates]

A military grade set of body armor should be able to stop a direct hit from certain calibers though.
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Lol I'd love to see somebody tank 30.06 without getting their insides turned to jelly from the shock.

 

[Mussi]

Some people are talking about how stalled the invasion is. Is it really going slow? It only started 4 days ago, and the German conquest of Poland, which was superfast, lasted something like 5 weeks. And in the German invasion of the Soviet Union, yes, they got to Minsk in a few days, but it also took them weeks to capture Brest. I'm not stating a position here, just honestly asking what makes this stalled compared to other invasions?

Nothing. People were shitposting about Ukraine being wiped out in a week and people took that as an informed prediction. While modern warfare can be fast, it's not so fast that a country the size of Ukraine can be taken in four days when it's being defended by hundreds of thousands of soldiers with decent morale. The oft-cited example of the 2003 invasion of Iraq is probably the closest equivalent example, and that took around seven weeks to defeat a much weaker country. Ukraine isn't Estonia or Georgia, it's the second biggest country in Europe with a huge stockpile of Soviets weapons that work, more or less. I don't think people realize that.

 

[LUNEKO]

Some people are talking about how stalled the invasion is. Is it really going slow? It only started 4 days ago, and the German conquest of Poland, which was superfast, lasted something like 5 weeks. And in the German invasion of the Soviet Union, yes, they got to Minsk in a few days, but it also took them weeks to capture Brest. I'm not stating a position here, just honestly asking what makes this stalled compared to other invasions?

Arm chair generals think 4 hours would be enough for the USA to roll over any country that's not China or Russia and take over completely with 0 casualties or equipment lost and by next morning the country should had been turned into a vassal state 100% loyal to it and completely surrendered and peaceful

 

[Dave_Ph]

How can anyone say whether or not its going as well as putin hoped when don't know how well it's going, and don't know what putin hoped?

Thats the cross network phrase.
Its everywhere

 

[XYZpdq]

The world would truly fear an army equipped in whatever gear they could find at a local thrift store.

A WEAPON TO SURPASS DEAD RISING

 

[Kane Lives]

Nothing. People were shitposting about Ukraine being wiped out in a week and people took that as an informed prediction. While modern warfare can be fast, it's not so fast that a country the size of Ukraine can be taken in four days when it's being defended by hundreds of thousands of soldiers with decent morale. The oft-cited example of the 2003 invasion of Iraq is probably the closest equivalent example, and that took around seven weeks to defeat a much weaker country. Ukraine isn't Estonia or Georgia, it's the second biggest country in Europe with a huge stockpile of Soviets weapons that work, more or less. I don't think people realize that.

That said, if the Kremlin were truly hoping that the invasion would be over in a week, then they themselves are fucking lolcows for thinking such. As if the Ukies would roll over after the initial surprise wore off. As the few Ukrops posters here demonstrated, the anti-Russian sentiment runs deep.

Now that we had four days of war to examine, however, you have to wonder if this was a calculated move by Moscow. Ram up against Ukraine's cities from all sides, pin the defending forces against the cities, then encircle them one by one to defeat them in detail. It certainly seems to be developing that way.

 

[Richardface]

Between this and Kherson looks like the Russians are trying to clean up some cities they've previously encircled today

Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast)

Fighting in Kharkov picking up pace, Ukrainian forces reportedly retreating from the airport

nitter.net

 

[Breadbassket]

Abandoned BMP in the middle of a street somewhere in Borodianka, Kiev Region.

 

[Arc]

How can anyone say whether or not its going as well as putin hoped when don't know how well it's going, and don't know what putin hoped?

Congratulations, you actually managed to get some people to give answers to the question.
The answer don't really make logical and sometimes even grammatical sense but you did it.

I tried to decipher some of the oinking and it basically boils down to -
1) because it obvious
2) because I know
3) Putin isn't murdering everyone like the US army would, and since burgers are per definition the good guy this must mean something is wrong
4) My pig tail is itchy, this usually means it's gonna rain or that more rockets are being used so that must mean Putin is getting PIIIIISSSED
5) No leader wants his troops to die. So even if one guy dies that falls short of what he'd "hope" so if even one Russian soldier stubs his toe, or a sanction is placed on Russia "What Putin hoped did not happen".

This stellar evidence is what is backing up the omnipresent near-unanimous choir on how it is going in this incredibly complex war action on the other side of the planet.

 

[Fraiser crane]

i hope they find some abandoned tank before being blown up. id love a pic of that just to spam. just one photo op before they asplode.

They're going to be shot by Ukrainians and Russians
They could solve everything

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

How can anyone say whether or not its going as well as putin hoped when don't know how well it's going, and don't know what putin hoped?

Because we can basically guarantee that Putin did not hope for:

-The US and the west in general imposing massive new sanctions to the point that Russia's trading partners risk being reduced to single digits.
-The west being willing to supply Ukraine with some genuine military supplies.
-While some European countries get a renewed interest in their self defense spending and pacts.
-For this thing to drag out for almost a week with Ukraine's capitol having been threatened for days and still not having fallen.
-While Ukraine's president is still in the country and in power causing problems for Putin, with no real Russian propaganda campaign aimed at discrediting him to the world.

In short, while we can't say can't say for certain how badly it's going for him, it's assuredly gong worse than he'd hoped as it's requiring a lot more effort than his last land grab, while causing worse repercussions when he hasn't even secured the place.

Because it's evident in the actions on the ground. The extreme and uncharacteristic restraint in avoiding civilian casualties indicates that Putin wanted to fight this war as cleanly as possible, to minimize the backlash he would receive.

Well that, and I'm fairly certain he wanted to take Ukraine as intact as possible to minimize the amount of rebuilding needed before it could be made profitable. If you roll in to conquer a place by blowing up all its radio stations, cellphone towers, bridges, roads, airports, power grid, power substations, power plants, hospitals, etc.; then you've got to spend the time and money rebuilding all that shit before the place is making money for you again. Go in soft instead of razing cities, and everything can be put back in working order again and you can start making whatever upgrades you want.

 

[mr.moon1488]

You know that, I know that, but too many people think that body armor protects people from a dead center mass shot with a fucking battle rifle.

lol there's a whole "psychological" side to that too though, which from what I've seen absolutely does not outweigh carrying a fuck ton of gear up a mother fucking mountain in 100-degree heat.

 

[MeltyTW]

A. China's opposes feeding the western beast buddy. Trust me they would suffer but they have most of the world's manufacturing and factories in their country. They can simply Sieze assets in a national security concern, kick out any western interests that don't bend to their knee.

if theyre that dedicated to opposing the west for russias idiotic dreams of a neo soviet union they havent shown it and dont have any means that wouldnt cripple them as well

B. Yeah no shit buddy but they have a plan B which is overwhelm the Ukrainians and convince cities one by one to surrender/overthrow the defenders by blockading them into submission. Also Russia has newer weapons systems and APCS. Anyone with more then two IQ points can tell you they're not using their newest and best tech systems. Why is that? Well there is a risk Ukrainian locals capture one and the US gets to steal their machines. Second not a Putin fan again and I have to give credit where credit is due the Ukrainians are holding out longer then I expected. I expected Zelinsky to flee, only some of the extremists fighting Russia and this war being over. Guess what Ukraine has a spine and yeah they side with globohomo but siding with Russia isn't exactly based either.

the fact that they have to fucking siege ukraine is pitiful and shows the impotence of the paper tiger that is the fading russian "empire", ukraine being enough of a threat they have to treat it like a front for a major power and create civilian causalities with bombings and grinding it out instead of just instantly capturing tons of strategic objectives is pitiful in the extreme. these are the guys trying to rattle their walking stick as a saber to the west, can you imagine the biden shit his pants joke if this was biden invading and this was americas big military showing? this is pitiful, this is pathetic, this is disgraceful, a stain forever on the legacy of russia and its claim to valor and glory.

Anyone saying Ukraines is winning and causing the Russians to lose is a Ukrainian shill.

i dont think ukraine has a snowballs chance in hell of not eventually having russian flags fly over all their cities if putin decides the continued cost is worth it, i just dont think theyll get it easy peasy and they sure as hell arent holding it in prolonged occupation without utter ruin leading to a second total national collapse with this weak showing.

But Ukraine can easily just be chipped away after a few more weeks to months of sustained combat unless foreign backed mercs/volunteers literally start flooding into the battlefield and changing the tide. Remember it took the world's largest military to defeat Iraq in 2003 about 6 weeks to go from Kuwait to Baghdad and secure the country. This was after a heavy and sustained air offensive that completely and utterly destroyed at that time had been the world's 5th or 6th largest army. Ukraine is alot smaller and fighting a smaller foe. This war won't be over anytime soon. Even if Russia just wins and Ukraine collapses now it will still take several weeks to clear things up. Realistically speaking if anything this will be a Spanish civil war type scenario where both sides will get a massive wake-up call to what works and doesn't. Expect to see some Russian sob stories of I lost my son as his transport plane had been shot down by an insurgent with some new generation Anti Air missile launcher. I wouldn't be surprised if you hear stories of Ukraines army being defeated within a month but years from now Kiev turns into a Baghdad where car bombs and insurgency fighters make it a death trap for the Russian there. Kharkiv on the other hand will probably normalize relations and any Ukrainian will still be called a Nazi loser 20 years now by some Russian internet faggot.

america made steady progress through irag in a nation it didnt have border with and wasnt reduced to this pitiful state.also when i say pitiful state i dont mean now ukraine has driven russia back to moscow and is now set to reverse invade i just mean this is pitiful for how they think of themselves, being a modern world superpower.

Now that we had four days of war to examine, however, you have to wonder if this was a calculated move by Moscow. Ram up against Ukraine's cities from all sides, pin the defending forces against the cities, then encircle them one by one to defeat them in detail. It certainly seems to be developing that way.

no you dont need to sacrifice tons of tanks and soldiers lives as a major super power to surround a nation you already surrounded, prolonged fighting and sieging and distance bombing isnt a brilliant first go to its a sign russia fucked up big time and is trying to play the long game because its military is too weak and decrepit to go in there and take it quickly like they actually hoped.

 

[Richardface]

That said, if the Kremlin were truly hoping that the invasion would be over in a week, then they themselves are fucking lolcows for thinking such. As if the Ukies would roll over after the initial surprise wore off. As the few Ukrops posters here demonstrated, the anti-Russian sentiment runs deep.

Now that we had four days of war to examine, however, you have to wonder if this was a calculated move by Moscow. Ram up against Ukraine's cities from all sides, pin the defending forces against the cities, then encircle them one by one to defeat them in detail. It certainly seems to be developing that way.

The Red Russian Army hasn't lost it's love of kesseling, it would seem

Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast)

Defense Spokesman of the Donetsk People's Republic Eduard Basurin says that the encirclement of Mariupol will be completed today

nitter.net

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

A military grade set of body armor should be able to stop a direct hit from certain calibers though.
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"stop" is not "immune". A lot of the energy from a bullet is still transferred directly into the user, and under the right circumstances can still kill the wearer through blunt force trauma. Additionally, body armor only covers a relatively small portion of the body, which anyone with a sense of self-preservation will already be keeping behind as much cover as possible. Most fatalities these days are actually due hemorrhage from arm or leg hits severing the arteries there, because if you're under too much fire to get to your buddy fast, a tourniquet ain't gonna do much for him.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Arm chair generals think 4 hours would be enough for the USA to roll over any country that's not China or Russia and take over completely with 0 casualties or equipment lost and by next morning the country should had been turned into a vassal state 100% loyal to it and completely surrendered and peaceful

Putin thought he was gonna get a quick surrender and the literal Comedian leader would flee to Poland and capitulate lol.