Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Turk on the lurk]

Protests in Kupyansk...

...and Kharkiv.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

lol, I guess they learned the "we can't be the bad guys if we're anti-fascist" trick.

Russians pioneered it. It's the only primary Russian propaganda argument. Every USSR front group was called Anti-fascist.

 

[Ted_Logan]

So the big question: is this a sincere belief or a massive troll?

I'm saying troll

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

lol, I guess they learned the "we can't be the bad guys if we're anti-fascist" trick.

The west learned it from the Soviets, not the other way around.

 

[mr.moon1488]

That's the fuck that's responsible for the Lugansk shellings . Rest in piss.

Twatterites mourning the cunt, but at least he's burning in hell now.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Wouldn't that be the Azov Battalion? For all the hype about Muh Ukrainian Nazis, I hear Azov is over half Russian. Presumably ethnic Russians who do not like the Russian Federation as it exists now, or who do not like Putin.

Honestly, if they want to put that balding midget in the crosshairs of a decent anti-materiel rifle, I don't blame them. Use the 14.5x114mm one for maximum results!

Also it's fun to troll the hashtag army by shouting "Nazis!" at them.

I've put up with that shit for years, nice to see that the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[Happy Fish]

So the big question: is this a sincere belief or a massive troll?

My guess is both. Sincere, in the sense that lefty governments are fascist and Nazis are a European thing not a Russian thing. Different perspectives.
Troll because they know it goes directly against the west's propaganda machine.

 

[Ted_Logan]

Ok but is this info Russian or Ukranian propaganda? who am i benefitting here

In all honesty both are fags

 

[Null]

So the big question: is this a sincere belief or a massive troll?

Ukraine is in a tough spot which is why it's isolated in the international community and easy pickings for Russia.

The USSR had moved a lot of ethnic Russians throughout the USSR and many of them and their children still live there. Tiraspol is a good example of this. Thriving industrial center in the USSR, dilapidated de facto independent state in Moldova today. Moldova had a president after the breakup of the USSR who encouraged Moldovan nationalism and this meant alienating ethnic Russians. Tiraspol declared independence as the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic (Transnistria in English, though PMR says this is a name Nazis invented and they don't like it).

Forward from the 1990s to the early 2010s, Ukraine experienced a surge of pro-Ukrainian nationalism and they elected a president who encouraged the Ukrainianization of the country and the adoption of Ukrainian by Russian ethnics who inhabit the southern and eastern parts of Ukraine along the Black Sea which the USSR had an interest in securing. This alienates the Russian population resulting in the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics declaring de facto independence from Ukraine.

This is a common meme in the post-soviet countries, as you can see. There's similar situations in Georgia with Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Language and ethnicity are important, regardless of what people say, and that is why these regions are loyal to Russia.

I believe what Putin wants is everything east of Dniepr, the Black Sea shore all the way to Odessa, and he wants to connect to Pridnestrovia. This brings all the Russians under his wing and secures the Black Sea again.


Ukraine isn't innocent, nor is Moldova. They did alienate their ethnic Russians. The guy I met in Pridnestrovia was very anti-racist and said that the concept of race and nation did not exist in the USSR, and in the post-USSR people have become racist towards Russians. Moldvans and Ukrainians would say the Russians have no place in their country and claim the USSR deliberately put Russian diaspora in their countries to destroy their identities and make them all Russian (they did).

Ukraine in particular made a hero out of Stepan Bandera. Very interesting guy. In the WW2 he wanted an independent Ukraine and was a Nazi collaborationist who celebrated their ideas. A literal Wehraboo Nazi LARPer, he unilaterally declared independence for Ukraine and was arrested by the Gestapo for it. Later in the war when things weren't going as well they released him with no hard feelings to try and prop up an anti-USSR Ukrainian government, but by then that ship had sailed and it didn't see any success.

So that's Russia's claim to denazification. Evil Ukrainian nationalists hailing the world's first Nazi LARPer, oppressing the poor Russian ethnics who probably shouldn't be there to begin with.

 

[Wy4M]

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1498610240631324674

No planes from Poland.
Also:
NATO will NOT enter conflict.

 

[Hackallier]

Reminder to not take anything posted about this war for granted. Even this video might be the other way around.

 

[Übertroon]

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

This is a picture for a german article about the first "ukrainian refugees" arriving in Germany.

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You are aware that there are lots of foreign Nations living and studying in the Ukraine? At the UN emergency meeting someone even had a list of the Nations. This includes China, India, Nigeria & Russia. The article also doesn't say that he is an ukrainian refugee. At least get your fucking facts straight.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

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I know optics is everything, but can't people come up with something other than Nazis?

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Ukraine is in a tough spot which is why it's isolated in the international community and easy pickings for Russia.

The USSR had moved a lot of ethnic Russians throughout the USSR and many of them and their children still live there. Tiraspol is a good example of this. Thriving industrial center in the USSR, dilapidated de facto independent state in Moldova today. Moldova had a president after the breakup of the USSR who encouraged Moldovan nationalism and this meant alienating ethnic Russians. Tiraspol declared independence as the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic (Transnistria in English, though PMR says this is a name Nazis invented and they don't like it).

Forward from the 1990s to the early 2010s, Ukraine experienced a surge of pro-Ukrainian nationalism and they elected a president who encouraged the Ukrainianization of the country and the adoption of Ukrainian by Russian ethnics who inhabit the southern and eastern parts of Ukraine along the Black Sea which the USSR had an interest in securing. This alienates the Russian population resulting in the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics declaring de facto independence from Ukraine.

This is a common meme in the post-soviet countries, as you can see. There's similar situations in Georgia with Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Language and ethnicity are important, regardless of what people say, and that is why these regions are loyal to Russia.

I believe what Putin wants is everything east of Dniepr, all the way to Odessa, and he wants to connect to Pridnestrovia. This brings all the Russians under his wing and secures the Black Sea again.


Ukraine isn't innocent, nor is Moldova. They did alienate their ethnic Russians. The guy I met in Pridnestrovia was very anti-racist and said that the concept of race and nation did not exist in the USSR, and in the post-USSR people have become racist towards Russians. Moldvans and Ukrainians would say the Russians have no place in their country and claim the USSR deliberately put Russian diaspora in their countries to destroy their identities and make them all Russian (they did).

Ukraine in particular made a hero out of Stepan Bandera. Very interesting guy. In the WW2 he wanted an independent Ukraine and was a Nazi collaborationist who celebrated their ideas. A literal Wehraboo Nazi LARPer, he declared unilaterally independence for Ukraine and was arrested by the Gestapo for it. Later in the war they released him with no hard feelings to try and prop up an anti-USSR Ukrainian government to help fight the USSR, but by then that ship had sailed and the war was over for them.

So that's Russia's claim to denazification. Evil Ukrainian nationalists hailing the world's first Nazi LARPer, oppressing the poor Russian ethnics who probably shouldn't be there to begin with.

TDLR: It's Northern Ireland troubles on steroids with the added edition of involving Slavs.

 

[Kane Lives]

I know optics is everything, but can't people come up with something other than Nazis?

Why invent something new when you have a ready-made boogeyman that still has cachet to this day? Granted, it's being diluted to meaninglessness at this rate, but the word still has power. For now.

 

[Ted_Logan]

I know optics is everything, but can't people come up with something other than Nazis?

Thank you cus using Nazi is gay and retarted

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This may be why Kharkov is still resisting but Kherson has fallen. #JustBerlin1945Things

Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast)

Local source tells me that Kharkov is effectively being governed by the National Corps right now - the political party that grew out of the Azov Battalion. Much talk about them & ("Freikorps" militia) in both pro-Russian & pro-Ukrainian local telegram channels.

nitter.net

I'm not sure pumping up literal Nazis is a good idea, especially in front of Russians raised on Nazis bad since birth.

 

[Retired Junta Member]

I know optics is everything, but can't people come up with something other than Nazis?

Retards on Twitter and Instagram love to larp as resistance fighters. The Nazi angle gained a lot media support.

 

[marfusha]

An instruction on how to drive a BTR just in case