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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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We are ready to continue peace talks with Ukraine from Wednesday evening: Russia​


The Kremlin said on Wednesday that a Russian delegation was ready to continue peace talks with Ukraine as Moscow's invasion of the pro-Western country entered its seventh day. "Our delegation will be ready to continue talks," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said, adding that Moscow's delegation expected the talks to resume Wednesday evening.
 
China won’t join the United States and European governments in imposing financial sanctions on Russia, the country’s bank regulator has announced.

China is a major buyer of Russian oil and gas and the only major government that has refrained from criticising Moscow’s attack on Ukraine, the Associated Press reported.

Beijing opposes the sanctions, said Guo Shuqing, the chairman of the China Banking and Insurance Regulatory Commission.

Guo said at a news conference:

"We will not join such sanctions, and we will keep normal economic, trade and financial exchanges with all the relevant parties.

We disapprove of the financial sanctions, particularly those launched unilaterally, because they don’t have much legal basis and will not have good effects."
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How much time this will give to Putin? One week? One month? One year? Or as long as Putin needs to survive the financial crisis?
 

Navalny calls for Russians to protest daily against Ukraine war and calls Putin ‘insane czar’​


Jailed Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny has called on Russians to protest against the “aggressive war” in Ukraine – branding Vladimir Putin an “obviously insane czar”.

The prominent Kremlin critic urged people to stage daily demonstrations against Moscow’s military campaign.


“I call on everyone to take to the streets and fight for peace,” his spokesperson wrote on Twitter on Wednesday.


Navalny’s account tweeted: “We - Russia - want to be a nation of peace. Alas, few people would call us that now.

“Let’s at least not become a nation of frightened silent people. Of cowards who pretend not to notice the aggressive war against Ukraine unleashed by our obviously insane czar.”

Navalny has called for people across the world to protest against the war in town squares and outside embassies every day at 7pm and at 2pm on weekends, his spokesperson said.


His movement previously called for a campaign of civil disobedience against Russia’s invasion of its neighbour.

Navalny praised the thousands of people who have already been detained in anti-war protests across Russia, where demonstrations are tightly restricted.

“Putin is not Russia,” his account tweeted. “If there is anything in Russia right now that you can be most proud of, it is those 6824 people who were detained because - without any call - they took to the streets with placards saying ‘No War’”.

He was jailed after returning to Russia from Germany following his recovery.

Since then, authorities have clamped down even more tightly on his movement, and key figures have fled into exile after being designated by the authorities as “foreign agents”

 
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A second round of talks between Ukraine and Russia will take place later today, Russian state news agency Tass has reported, citing an aide to the Ukrainian presidential office.

Earlier today, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters a Russian delegation will be “in place” on Wednesday for a new round of talks with Ukraine.

"In the second half of the day, closer to evening, our delegation will be in place to await Ukrainian negotiators."

Asked about the location of the talks, Peskov replied:

"I won’t announce the place ahead of time."

On Monday, talks between Ukrainian and Russian delegations took place in Belarus, not far from the Ukrainian border, but ended without a breakthrough.
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I feel like a this sums up a lot of the russia simping poltards in here
I'm critical of the sanctions against Russia myself although I want that country balkanized for all eternity since it's just a burden on human civilization since 1917 BUT

Burning all bridges with Russia like many states in the West are now doing is not the smartest move since they just hand the Russian market to the Chinese while they are fucking themself economicalwise.
 
I'm critical of the sanctions against Russia myself although I want that country balkanized for all eternity since it's just a burden on human civilization since 1917 BUT

Burning all bridges with Russia like many states in the West are now doing is not the smartest move since they just hand the Russian market to the Chinese while they are fucking themself economicalwise.

When you can trade your resources with only one actor, that actor can dictate their prices in terms that can't be favourable to you. Europe must stand united against Russia in this issue, there simply is no other way.
 
China is currently trying to figureout how to Keep Russia as a alley without burning bridges with western countries.
China will just keep buying oil/gas from Russia while avoiding any direct funding of the war. No western country will go after China if that is all they are doing and so far it looks like that is what they are sticking to anyway.
 
Translated:
"The Ukrainian National Agency for the Prevention of Corruption (NAPC) informed that the inhabitants of Ukraine do not have to declare in property declarations Russian tanks and other equipment obtained as a result of the fighting. Battle trophies are not reflected in the tax return."



More than 2,000 civilians killed - Ukrainian authorities​

In the last few minutes, the Ukrainian authorities have said more than 2,000 civilians have been killed so far in Russia's invasion, which began nearly a week ago.

Ten rescuers had also been killed, the Emergencies Service said.
Rescuers have put out more than 400 fires which broke out after Russian shelling across the country and defused 416 explosives.

"During the seven days of war, Russia has destroyed hundreds of transport hubs, residential buildings, hospitals and kindergartens," it said.

 
War during globalism is an example why that is always a bad system.

One thing goes wrong and suddenly all the supply lines become disrupted, which gives the elites the perfect excuse to jack up prices of shit like fuel.

Maybe in an attempt to make us care about this conflict.


Oh, I also recall someone saying western men are cowards for not wanting to get involved in a draft.

I then asked "Well, WHY you think that is?"

Then I went on and on how the propaganda isnt working this time and western society constantly put traditional western men down for YEARS, they have burned down or bankrupt innocent small businesses to serve their own interests. Wasted so much life and resources on a pointless conflict for over 20 years. Messed with our elections. Normalised the worst things for the sake of "muh acceptance" and on and on.

I concluded with "The elites arent worth dying for"
 

The war raging in Ukraine has been inescapable on social media, with TikTok, Twitter and Instagram propelling scenes of horror and destruction into our feeds – whether we want them or not.
Alongside those images, there’s a parallel universe of images and comments discussing the events in Ukraine as Vladimir Putin’s army marches on major cities, wreaking havoc along the way. It’s meme-Ukraine, where pop psychologists have been engaging in fan fiction, casting the protagonists in the conflict as Star Wars or Marvel characters.
Some on social media see it as cringey. Thousands of others are lapping it up.
In part, the propulsion of Ukraine’s resistance fighters into meme-like characters who represent the heroism of holding out against a much larger oppressor is down to our desire to lionise inspirational figures. “Sometimes, users use the morality of the fictional narrative to justify a political argument or position which [researcher] Ashley Hinck labels ‘fan-based citizenship’,” says Line Nybro Petersen, who studies fandom and politics at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark. “When we see the narrative or mood from The Avengers activated in the context of the war in Ukraine through memes, media users, in a sense, borrow the characteristics of the fictional characters to demonstrate a commitment to a particular cause.”
It’s also in no small part because the events that are playing out are undeniably incredible. Ukrainians are demonstrating remarkable bravery in the face of what seem like insurmountable odds – whether that’s staring down advancing tanks or removing a land mine by hand. For countries unaccustomed to war, these scenes register as simply unbelievable.

But it’s also due to the way in which we all live now. “I think we are seeing an adaption of the cultural logic of fan communities applied to political participation – and in this case, to a war situation,” says Nybro Petersen. It means that we’re willing and able to recast Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, an ordinary politician put into an extraordinary position, as Captain Ukraine, and his cabinet as the Avengers cast.
Memeifying the Ukrainian situation – and the characters involved – helps to simplify what is an impossibly complicated, unpalatable series of events into something more understandable. Rather than reading up on the hundreds of years of history that has caused ongoing tension between Ukraine and Russia, or even the warped 5,000-word crib notes version written by Putin, we can simplify history. Russia are the bad guys. Ukrainians are the Avengers.

“Whilst it certainly provides a creative outlet and some brief levity to Ukrainians in a dire position, memes can oversimplify and remove any nuance from what is a deeply complex and constantly evolving situation,” says Steven Buckley, who researches political communication and social media at the University of West of England. “These overly simple narratives can hurt a public’s wider understanding and hence damage efforts to seek solutions to the problems this invasion has caused.”
It’s also made easier by the fact that Zelenskyy’s pre-politics career is absurdly varied, and encourages people to make him – and by extension, those around him – into a meme. This is a former entertainer who has played the role of an unprepossessing man who inadvertently becomes president on screen; who has performed a skit where he plays a piano with his penis; who has won the Ukrainian equivalent of Strictly Come Dancing; and who is the voice of Paddington Bear in his country. If an Extremely Online memelord were to write the ideal backstory for the man currently clowning Putin, they’d only get partway to describing Zelenskyy.

“Zelenskyy’s past as an actor is mostly responsible for the way he’s being framed: It feels more acceptable to make these kinds of references and jokes and memes when the person in question has been on Dancing with the Stars, has voiced Paddington, has been a comedian,” says Georgie Carroll, an Australian academic studying the relationship between online creators and their audience. “He was an actor, and we’re seeing people revert to treating him as such as a way to cope.”
It’s also good, shareable content. “This is a war taking place across user-generated platforms that sort of require and demand of its users to keep producing content,” says Hussein Kesvani, an author and researcher studying digital anthropology and tech cultures. The reason why British banter meme accounts like @thearchbishopofbanterbury posts heartfelt Humans of New York-style content alongside whatever banging viral tweet they saw on the timeline that morning is because there are algorithms to be fed, and we engage with content in different ways through social media. It’s notable that the Venn diagram of Instagram meme pages and war content has significant overlap: There’s money in highly engaged-with content, and plenty of people are trying to make a quick buck.

Despite the methods and formats changing, presenting the lighter side of serious incidents such as war is also nothing new, despite some trying to portray this as the first social media war. Rather than a radical break from the past, what we’re seeing is a continuum of what’s always gone on – just in different formats.
Back in the 30s and 40s, people were similarly guffawing at posters saying that Allied forces should catch Hitler “with his ‘panzers’ down”. It’s also something that Ukraine’s government has encouraged: As tensions rose in the region, before the outbreak of war, @Ukraine, the country’s official Twitter account, has repeatedly shared meme posts about its relationship with Russia.

Memes can also be used to dominate the information space – an important element of any conflict. While Russia struggles to gain a foothold sharing its disinformation thanks to social media bans and blocks, pro-Ukrainian voices are drowning out Russia on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and TikTok. It’s a way that ordinary people can feel like they’re helping – and focus attention on the plight of Ukrainians. “We can let ourselves get swept away by a mood of defiance and the thought of standing up to the aggressors alongside Ukraine by producing or retweeting easily decipherable images of Zelenskyy as an Avenger or placing Iron Man in a Ukrainian battlefield,” says Nybro Petersen.
However, the same things that catch the eye can also create a backlash. We’re a decade on from KONY 2012, the highest profile example of clicktivism, when a social media campaign to depose an African warlord went viral but caused zero real-world change – and we run the risk of seeing the same thing happen here. As anyone who’s spent time on the internet knows, the half-life of a meme is incredibly short until the next big thing comes along. “These types of mood practices on social media tends to be ephemeral in character,” says Nybro Petersen, “and so the internet might move on to other topics to make into fan objects, while Ukraine might still need our attention and support.”

 
How much time this will give to Putin? One week? One month? One year? Or as long as Putin needs to survive the financial crisis?

Bold of you to assume that China's even remotely capable of sustaining an economy like Russia when they have multiple debt crises, not to mention a massive youth unemployment problem, a looming population crisis and faltering international relations (among many other issues). China's plans to invade Taiwan have been put on indefinite standby now that Russia has shown what the rest of the world is willing to do if they fall out of line. The blowback that Russia received from the international community, namely directly targeting oligarchs and Putin himself with sanctions while also getting partially cut off from SWIFT does not send a good message to the upper echelons of the CCP, much less to Xi Jinping himself. There's already precedent for Chinese officials getting sanctioned personally in Hong Kong. I doubt that Biden will go as far as Trump did in regard to sanctioning individual Chinese bureaucrats, but we still can't forget that this is a thing that happened. That's not even getting into the existing sanctions that China's been under as far as their technology sector is concerned. I seriously don't think that China will be able to help Russia beyond sustaining commodity and grain markets and maybe their hydrocarbon demand assuming that China is willing to fund the Kremlin as far as building new infrastructure for transporting oil and LNG.

I'm not trying to downplay the role that China will have in propping up Russia. For all the talk about a coming collapse of China, nothing has truly manifested in a meaningful way. With this in mind, China has far too much on its plate to justify an effective subsidisation of Russia's economy. If anything, China is just a stopgap that will inevitably pull out when shit gets too hot for it to handle.
 
Bold of you to assume that China's even remotely capable of sustaining an economy like Russia when they have multiple debt crises, not to mention a massive youth unemployment problem, a looming population crisis and faltering international relations (among many other issues). China's plans to invade Taiwan have been put on indefinite standby now that Russia has shown what the rest of the world is willing to do if they fall out of line. The blowback that Russia received from the international community, namely directly targeting oligarchs and Putin himself with sanctions while also getting partially cut off from SWIFT does not send a good message to the upper echelons of the CCP, much less to Xi Jinping himself. There's already precedent for Chinese officials getting sanctioned personally in Hong Kong. I doubt that Biden will go as far as Trump did in regard to sanctioning individual Chinese bureaucrats, but we still can't forget that this is a thing that happened. That's not even getting into the existing sanctions that China's been under as far as their technology sector is concerned. I seriously don't think that China will be able to help Russia beyond sustaining commodity and grain markets and maybe their hydrocarbon demand assuming that China is willing to fund the Kremlin as far as building new infrastructure for transporting oil and LNG.

I'm not trying to downplay the role that China will have in propping up Russia. For all the talk about a coming collapse of China, nothing has truly manifested in a meaningful way. With this in mind, China has far too much on its plate to justify an effective subsidisation of Russia's economy. If anything, China is just a stopgap that will inevitably pull out when shit gets too hot for it to handle.
Well, there are still many countries, especially eastern ones, that haven't joined the west in sanctioning Russia. Either because they're friendly, dependent on something, or just didn't have the will or power to sanction Russia. China could serve as the middleman to circumvent the sanctions, as both Russia and China have demonstrated in the sanctions of other countries like Cuba, NK, and Iran

If that was the case, the question would be how willing the west are on pursuing Russia by tightening the sanctions' loopholes. That's going to take a lot of works and time, which I doubted the west are willing to commit. I'm hoping I'm wrong though

That said, I do know of the limit to this tactic, especially when you consider that China also has a lot of problems on their plate already, as you have shown us as examples. This then begs the question, how much China is willing to shoulder this burden to keep Russia, and Putin, survive as an ally against the west. China works with a very Zero-Sum Game thinking, the victory of the west over Russia would be considered a massive loss by China, and they definitely won't let that happen

But again, as you say, there's going to be a limit to what China can do. And once they see no profit in helping Russia, they will definitely pull the plug. But that's for the future, I believe, of which I don't know when that will happen
 
Apparently, a leaked Russian document reveals that Putin authorized the invasion on Janurary 18th, which doesn't look good for him. The document also says that the invasion is supposed to be from February 20th to March 6th for Moscow to achieve its goals. They started the war on the 24th and now they have four days to achieve their military aims before their initial invasion plans are officially considered a failure by Putin's advisors. The war wont end on the 6th and with this information I can guess they'll fight harder to keep them out of the cities until the 6th
 
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