Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

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How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
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Purported leaked screenshots of Ukrainian psyops/propaganda forces at work designing new psyops. All the language and methodology is very similar to marketing/advertising. Listed are target groups (such as "mothers of soldiers"), what to stress/accent in the propaganda, suggestions about what sort of images to use, general ideas of what tactics to use.

Included are topics we've seen people here try to force into reality such as "Russian troops are poorly equipped", "everyone fighting is a teenager that was conscripted yesterday", "nobody knows where they're going, they were told it's just going to be a training mission", "russian troops are running out of fuel".

Feel free to translate the screenshots with Yandex OCR if you'd like.

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Can anyone who speaks that tell me if it sounds natural or like something google translate would spit out?
 
JosephStalin said:
Am a retired senior officer, over 21 years' service. Served, among other places, at a major command headquarters and a Washington-area alphabet agency. If you have noticed, I have said nothing regarding casualty figures, since all these figures are affected by the fog of war. I view comments through the military background and a great deal of history background - first master's program was in history, studied a lot of Russian history, last military assignment was associate dean of a Russian language school. Have learned to look at things from more than one perspective.
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I respect all of that and can say up front you probably have access to information I'm not privy to. However this:
JosephStalin said:
Just started the day. Thread's moving like lightning. Apparently the Russians haven't taken Kharkov and Kyiv yet. Can see drone attacks on Russian columns.

Every day the Russians don't take these cities is a loss for them. They expected a walk-over, didn't get it. If Kyiv is taken, would look for the Ukrainian government to work from Lviv. Am sure they've already set up. Still a lot of Ukraine, actually the vast majority, that hasn't seen a Russian soldier. At the rate things are going, the Ukrainians will never give up, meaning the Russians have to try and take the whole country. Doubt they can do it with forces available.

Still don't understand the Russians' piss-poor planning. You'd think they would have had a solid operations plan already on the shelf, ready for implementation. That's the job of a General Staff. If your operation is properly planned you don't have forces running out of gas, as a rule.

In the end, the Russian "victory" will turn out to be very, very expensive for Russia. Already is, in more ways than one.
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Reads like very weird analysis due to your knowledge of Russian history. You know how badly the first Chechnyan war went when Russia mimicked the US doctrine of shock and awe and stormed cities as quickly as possible. They got surrounded and got wiped out. Based on that they updated their doctrine and we saw that in how effective they were in the third Chechnyan war where there goal was to siege a city and wait for them to surrender.

If you have current information that I don't that says otherwise so be it, but the claims of "piss poor planning" and it being diastrous that they have not "taken" Kiev and Kharkov on day 2 or 3 have to be based from a US based doctrine and not a Russian doctrine which looks to be based around attrition and squeezing someone out. I don't see, based on the public information available, any reason to think Russia thought they were going to storm these guys and the "military operation" be over in a day or two.

Again if you have info I don't fair play. I like you(what you post on here) and my post really wasn't directed at you personally.
 
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Make Anime Illegal said:
Can anyone who speaks that tell me if it sounds natural or like something google translate would spit out?
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It is 100% written by native speakers.

Cilleystring said:
People in Canada are talking about this saying the deputy PM is holding a Ukrainian neo nazi scarf/flag, but I don't know shit about Ukraine, their language, or their military so for all I know this could say "Kiwi Farms" in Ukrainian

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The flag-scarf just says "Glory to Ukraine", but it is indeed the colors of the Right Sector flag.
 
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Sexual Chocolate said:
The best thing Ukies can do now is surrender. They can't beat the Russians on the battlefield, and getting killed won't help anybody. Stay alive and you get a chance to fight another day in more favorable conditions,
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Slave mentality

But Ukraine def need up the tactics. Ditch those disputed regions & crimea for good but at least get eu/nato membership in return.

Bryan Dunn said:
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Redditors are using arma 3 to train before going to sneed in Ukraine
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What's funny if someone wants to test their theoretical knowledge in the field? But im 60 percent sure they don't have to physique req for a soldier
 
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