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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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So if the U.S knew that China was aware about Russia's plan invasion of Ukraine. Why the fuck did Biden reveal classified information to China. Which they in return gave to Russia?
The Biden Administration is really fucking stupid and believes China can become a democracy if you pump money into it so they wanted to improve relations by trying to cooperate with China, and perhaps even lift Trump-era tariffs, if they could help dissuade Russia from invading Ukraine. China told them to fuck off and just gave the information to Russia because Biden is a moron and a Chinese shill.
 
One of the things I noticed about this war is the possibility that civilians recording the movement of Russian troops is essentially free reconnaissance.
It is, I hate Twitter in general, but lots of good Open Source Intelligence aggregators are using OSINT & Geolocation to confirm info, track the advances of Russian troops. That kind of information is very useful when provided to the right people...

Note also, most videos not from Ukrainian army or reservists but Civilian Militia. This suggests good Ukrainian OpSec as they understand it could otherwise be used to track them. Whereas Civilian Militia can just go back to the village, and putting videos out can be great propaganda!
 
And now we have the International Criminal Court looking into Russian war crimes. Which I'm going to guess some people will misinterpret as being about Ukrainians committing war crimes due to the Facebook post that pretty obviously was machine translated.
“If the ICC is going to investigate, that means from their perspective they have jurisdiction over any Russians on Ukrainian territory and over any crimes committed on Ukrainian territory,” Bosco said. “But it’s got to be either war crimes, crime against humanity or genocide.”

The Rome statute, the ICC’s founding document, was amended in 2018 to include the crime of aggression. However, in his statement, Khan said he did not have jurisdiction to investigate that crime because neither Russia nor Ukraine are signatories to the Rome statute.
 
It is, I hate Twitter in general, but lots of good Open Source Intelligence aggregators are using OSINT & Geolocation to confirm info, track the advances of Russian troops. That kind of information is very useful when provided to the right people...

Note also, most videos not from Ukrainian army or reservists but Civilian Militia. This suggests good Ukrainian OpSec as they understand it could otherwise be used to track them. Whereas Civilian Militia can just go back to the village, and putting videos out can be great propaganda!
>tfw old /b/ doxxing techniques are now a viable war-time strategy
They can't do anything to the civilians either or it'll be called a war crime. But that might change if it's making too much of a difference, and start shooting anyone with their phones out which is a really sad thought.
 
Which I'm going to guess some people will misinterpret as being about Ukrainians committing war crimes due to the Facebook post that pretty obviously was machine translated.

Well here is the original text from the facebook posts on the part about committing a war crime, copy/paste to a Russian speaker and see if the DeepL translation is accurate:
Братство ССО Украины передает привет русским артиллеристам!

Мы вас поздравляем: после того как вы накрыли жесточайшими обстрелами наши мирные города, наших родных, детей, близких - вы, черви, стали нашей целью номер один.

Объясняем вам, Ваньки: вы вроде бы далеко и стреляете по целям которых не видите. Не видите маленьких деток, стариков, дома, детские садики, школы и больницы - все это для вас просто цели. Стельнули, полетело, попали - за*бись, правильно пацаны?

А теперь смотрите, червяки: вы своих целей не видите и вам оттого вроде бы как легче. Но поверьте: легче вам мразям уже не будет никогда. Информация по вам - уже у нас. А если по кому-то еще нет, то это вопрос считанных минут.

Отныне никаких пленных русских артиллеристов больше не будет. Никакой пощады, никакое "пожалуйста не убивайте, я сдаюсь" уже не пройдет.

Каждый расчет, неважно: командир, водитель, наводчик, заряжающий - будут зарезаны как свиньи. Ссыте в штаны, мы за вами уже пришли.

Позвони маме в последний раз. Скажи, что скоро сдохнешь, шакал.
Мы не смерть, мы хуже!
 
Seems to have come from their official Facebook account, and its still up:

Even if you argue that its only directed at Russian artillery crewmen, if you know your military history the mere threat of war crimes spirals conflicts out of control.
To be fair, its not like infantrymen were all that well-disposed towards artillerymen in the first place. The number one thing making their already bad days worse is needing to live in a foxhole to avoid getting gibbed by HE falling from the sky.
 
Well here is the original text from the facebook posts on the part about committing a war crime, copy/paste to a Russian speaker and see if the DeepL translation is accurate:
Can you blame them? Their wives and children have been killed by these artillerymen. The fact that Russian artillery targeted civilian centers to break morale goes to show that they're already war criminals; why bother playing by the rules with them?
 
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I feel like a this sums up a lot of the russia simping poltards in here
I was going to say an argument like this, but this post summed it up better than I could possibly did
Apparently, a leaked Russian document reveals that Putin authorized the invasion on Janurary 18th, which doesn't look good for him. The document also says that the invasion is supposed to be from February 20th to March 6th for Moscow to achieve its goals. They started the war on the 24th and now they have four days to achieve their military aims before their initial invasion plans are officially considered a failure by Putin's advisors. The war wont end on the 6th and with this information I can guess they'll fight harder to keep them out of the cities until the 6th
There were some accusations that some remarks or announcements by Putin, especially the declaration of war, are actually pre-recorded. And Putin have always had in his mind war, and all that diplomatic efforts was just buying some time. Now that we know China actually asked Russia to delay the invasion, it's getting more believable for me

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Now, if that plan was actually true, there's still a chance they're changing their plan because of their shift to indiscriminate bombing a la the Grozny/Syria Playbook. That is if they didn't have that planned in the first place...
It's quite bold to assume China really needs Russia, especially Russia that is this unpredictable, as an ally. An ally In what, exactly? If China has to choose between west and Russia, It's quite obvious which one it will be.
Well, I already said that China works in a very Zero-Sum Game thinking. Losing Russia means a big gain for the West, and any gain for the West is a loss to China. Hence why they don't want that to happen
here's the list of who voted for and against the Russian invasion of Ukraine
Huh, surprised that my country is actually voting against Russia. I wonder if the reason our MoD decided to make a U-Turn from buying Russian fighter jets was because they learned about some rumour of an impending war

Also, regarding the revelation that China knew and asked to delay the invasion, people have been speculating that before, including me. That said, considering the current condition on the battlefield, China's role in this war pre-invasion looks limited, at least from what we currently know. Its most likely going to change, however, now that Russia is getting desperate
 
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Can you blame them? Their wives and children have been killed by these artillerymen. The fact that Russian artillery targeted civilian centers to break morale goes to show that they're already war criminals; why bother playing by the rules with them?
Still extremely retarded to say openly.

I was going to say an argument like this, but this post summed it up better than I could possibly did

There were some accusations that some remarks or announcements by Putin, especially the declaration of war, are actually pre-recorded. And Putin have always had in his mind war, and all that diplomatic efforts was just buying some time. Now that we know China actually asked Russia to delay the invasion, it's getting more believable for me

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Now, if that plan was actually true, there's still a chance they're changing their plan because of their shift to indiscriminate bombing a la the Grozny/Syria Playbook. That is if they didn't have that planned in the first place...

Well, I already said that China works in a very Zero-Sum Game thinking. Losing Russia means a big gain for the West, and any gain for the West is a loss to China. Hence why they don't want that to happen

Huh, surprised that my country is actually voting against Russia. I wonder if the reason our MoD decided to make a U-Turn from buying Russian fighter jets was because they learned about some rumour of an impending war

Also, regarding the revelation that China knew and asked to delay the invasion, people have been speculating that before, including me. That said, considering the current condition on the battlefield, China's role in this war pre-invasion looks limited, at least from what we currently know. Its most likely going to change, however, now that Russia is getting desperate
If you look at this english article on Pravda, the Russian equivalent of the Chinese Global Times that publishes the most hawkish perspectives of CCP elite, its pretty clear Putin does not give a single shit about the optics or potential consequences and the goal was always to absorb Ukraine, and if they can't have it, bomb it into oblivion and make the west pay for it.

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Four Russian fighter jets briefly entered Swedish territory over the Baltic Sea on Wednesday, the Swedish Armed Forces said, sparking a swift condemnation from Sweden’s defence minister.

Sweden’s Armed Forces said in a statement:

"On 2 March, four Russian fighter aircraft violated Swedish airspace. The Swedish air force conducted an operation with JAS 39 Gripen aircraft of the rapid readiness unit, which documented and photographed the incident."

Two Russian SU27 and two SU24 fighter jets briefly entered Swedish airspace east of the Swedish island of Gotland in the Baltic Sea, the military said.

Air Force Commander Edström said:

"With the current situation as backdrop, we take this incident very seriously. Russia’s conduct is unprofessional and irresponsible.”

The flight was also picked up on FlightRadar, according to a live flight tracking update.
By The Guardian liveblog
 
Still extremely retarded to say openly.


If you look at this english article on Pravda, the Russian equivalent of the Chinese Global Times that publishes the most hawkish perspectives of CCP elite, its pretty clear Putin does not give a single shit about the optics or potential consequences and the goal was always to absorb Ukraine, and if they can't have it, bomb it into oblivion and make the west pay for it.

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And that's the problem. Even if he reduced Ukraine to a ghost town, A) Russia will still be doomed economically, and B) they will share a border with NATO, making WW3 all the more likely. So they're digging their own graves the longer this war goes, and if they actually do accomplish their goals in Ukraine, it will only get them closer to total annihilation.
 
That's what happens when you take an armed convoy across unfriendly territory when your enemy is armed to the teeth.
This is more a case of this is what happens when you take an armed convoy across unfriendly territory, but don't even try to defend it, which is what I find weird. Like I said tons of these photos of destroyed Russian equipment seems to show tanks and support vehicles that were off on their own instead of being defended by infantry and that's what I find weird. It's not like the Russians don't understand the concept of combined arms and protecting their shit on the move, I mean they literally created the fucking BMP and essentially defined the concept of the modern IFV for supporting their assaults.
I've been thinking about it, and bar the entire Russian military suddenly just forgetting tactical doctrine they've been planning for decades I can only think this is yet further proof of their shitty morale problems. I imagine if you're a badly trained, poorly paid Russian conscript who's been essentially lied to and dragged into the war, going scouting for Ukranians armed with fancy new ATGMs and having them shoot at you instead of someone else probabloy isn;t an attractive proposition.


I imagine history museums would pay up the ass to get a hold of a Russian MBT.
There's probably some museums who would, but a lot of them were able to get them at the end of the Cold War anywyay. I was thinking of the private collector market. There's plenty of rich boomers who'd be happy to shell out money on tanks, I could personally name a dozen or so of my father in laws rich ass friends who'd easily drop low to mid 6 figures on shit like that for a laugh. Hell I'd be tempted myself because I know the idea of me buying one of the tanks my dad spent most of his career staring across Germany at would have given him a kick.


Why the fuck is EA doing this when they have BF 2042 to literally fix code by code? Where the fuck are their priorities at this is by far the funniest shit I've seen, but hey, props to EA amirite guy?
DOn't get me wrong I agree this is a dumbass grandstanding gesture but the two aren't in anyway related. EA is only the publisher the games are developed by entirely different studios, so the people making shitty sport games and making pointless gestures has absolutely zero bearing on BF 2042 being a shitshow that isn;t getting fixed.

Seems like the president of Belarus may have made a fucky-wucky and given the game away while showing off on TV. Given how ineptly everything else to do with this invasion has gone wouldn't surprise me if these were real plans:
 
Seems like the president of Belarus may have made a fucky-wucky and given the game away while showing off on TV. Given how ineptly everything else to do with this invasion has gone wouldn't surprise me if these were real plans:
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Wait, so that's why some people are talking about this map? Holyshit, if this really was a real battleplan, just how optimistic Putin and his men are with their military? This war is one big fuck up...

Back to the nws though
The US Treasury Secretary added that sanctions imposed last Sunday and Monday have so far restricted 80% of the Russian banking sector’s assets and “immobilised” about half of the Russian central bank’s assets, according to remarks cited by Reuters news agency.

The rouble, which has lost about a third of its value since the start of the year, touched a fresh record low of 110 to the dollar in Moscow on Wednesday.

The former chair of the US Federal Reserve said she knew there were concerns about members of Russia’s elite using cryptocurrencies as a possible means to evade sanctions, but noted there were anti-money laundering laws in place to prevent that from happening.

The Treasury will continue to “go after oligarchs or Russian elites who are key to President Putin’s corrupt power,” she said.
Washington is preparing a sanctions package targeting more Russian oligarchs as well as their companies and assets, two sources familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.
I wonder if the west will tighten up crypto even more after this
 
Redditors think that Russia is about to be invaded and dismantled like WW2 Japan and become a vassal of the United States:

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Reddit foreign policy experts discuss disarming Russia of its nuclear weapons:

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Salivating at the prospect of Russian people starving:

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And the token totally real and believable post about a right-wing relative being dumb for redditors to feel smug and upvote:

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Redditors think that Russia is about to be invaded and dismantled like WW2 Japan and become a vassal of the United States:

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Reddit foreign policy experts discuss disarming Russia of its nuclear weapons:

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Salivating at the prospect of Russian people starving:

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And the token totally real and believable post about a right-wing relative being dumb for redditors to feel smug and upvote:

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That is the effect American media has on everyone and it is American media that has escalated the war to the point that it has. If they weren't virtue signally the fuck out of Ukraine, this war would have hit an impasse and negotiations to respect Ukraine's sovereignty would be proceeding. Instead, the West turned it into a proxy war, so now they have to go scorched earth or get invaded/color revolution themselves, which they've been saying for years. For years.
 
This is more a case of this is what happens when you take an armed convoy across unfriendly territory, but don't even try to defend it, which is what I find weird. Like I said tons of these photos of destroyed Russian equipment seems to show tanks and support vehicles that were off on their own instead of being defended by infantry and that's what I find weird. It's not like the Russians don't understand the concept of combined arms and protecting their shit on the move, I mean they literally created the fucking BMP and essentially defined the concept of the modern IFV for supporting their assaults.
I've been thinking about it, and bar the entire Russian military suddenly just forgetting tactical doctrine they've been planning for decades I can only think this is yet further proof of their shitty morale problems. I imagine if you're a badly trained, poorly paid Russian conscript who's been essentially lied to and dragged into the war, going scouting for Ukranians armed with fancy new ATGMs and having them shoot at you instead of someone else probabloy isn;t an attractive proposition.
Saw a thread on twitter earlier that sounded believable regarding the health of the Russian vehicles. Basic idea is that their equipment is so poorly maintained that a lot of it really is just falling apart. Guy also suggests this would mean the trucks would have a harder time driving through the mud, so they'd require being on the roads which aren't that large and make them more susceptible to attacks.

So while there obviously are the morale problems, some of the strange things we've seen may also just be the Russian equipment not being able to handle being used the way it was intended.
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