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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Are they? Or are they simply not jerking off to West and jerking off their hateboner for Putin. The issue here is far more complex than many posters pretend it is. It's not simply "west good, Putin bad, lets start a nuclear war for democracy/freedom"
Don't get me wrong, the west is absolute garbage, but Putin is worse. So is China. As flawed as the US is it's still way better than Russia.

The cold war was never about defending democracy, it was about defending capital interests. The west doesn't give a shit about democracy, not fully anyways.
 
Don't get me wrong, the west is absolute garbage, but Putin is worse. So is China. As flawed as the US is it's still way better than Russia.
The same Commie Pinko activists that are trying to push the West off the proverbial cliff openly rule Russia and China, both politically, and economically. Putin himself is a KGB spook, and Russia as of late has been oddly positive towards the USSR, Communism, and Stalin. That obviously points to a sympathy towards Communism, despite all the memes about "based" Russia.
 
That's because they're too blinded by their hate of woke leftism, and they bought into the whole "based Russia" meme, despite Russia being a country of godless heathens killing their young in the womb while consuming vodka like water, and their oligarchs are former Commies who wax nostalgic about the USSR days.

I mean, come on, the West has its many, many flaws, but Russia takes those flaws and amplifies them to an insane degree.
I kind of understand simping for Russia, to a degree, though I disapprove it.
These Westerners are sick of increasing authoritarianism in their respective countries, woke bullshit, propaganda and dishonest politicians, and want to get back at them somehow. They vicariously live out their revenge against the "Globohomo" through Putin.
It's just that if your tool of revenge is an unjust war by an authoritarian state against its neighbor, whose perceived offense is simply wanting to forge their own future, separate from the nation that seeks to enslave it, war that claimed thousands of lives in just over one week, with children and women among them... You should really take a moment to reflect.
Are they? Or are they simply not jerking off to West and jerking off their hateboner for Putin. The issue here is far more complex than many posters pretend it is. It's not simply "west good, Putin bad, lets start a nuclear war for democracy/freedom"
Believe me, it's not all that complex. People sometimes are overdoing it with skepticism and just go full contrarian.
 
Don't get me wrong, the west is absolute garbage, but Putin is worse. So is China. As flawed as the US is it's still way better than Russia.
The west isn't perfect, and almost all western nations have in recent years been involved in messed up shit.

However, when all is said and done - in the history of humanity has there ever been a better option? I don't think so. All nations have done, and continue to do evil things. At least when we invaded a country illegally people could stand up and say it, they could get on TV and denounce it. They wouldn't be locked up for 15 years for questioning whether or not we really needed to depose Saddam Hussein over weapons that there is no evidence of.

Maybe more of a comment on how shit everything is all of the time, but the West is the best of a bad bunch it is worth defending. Especially when the alternative to the current world order is totalitarian China.
 
I kind of understand simping for Russia, to a degree, though I disapprove it.
These Westerners are sick of increasing authoritarianism in their respective countries, woke bullshit, propaganda and dishonest politicians, and want to get back at them somehow. They vicariously live out their revenge against the "Globohomo" through Putin.
It's just that if your tool of revenge is an unjust war by an authoritarian state against its neighbor, whose perceived offense is simply wanting to forge their own future, separate from the nation that seeks to enslave it, war that claimed thousands of lives in just over one week, with children and women among them... You should really take a moment to reflect.
And the thing is, Putin and his people are just as woke as the same people the right-wing hate here in the West. The man is accusing his opponents of being Nazis, he's bringing in more immigration from Central Asia, he and his pals simp for the old Communist regime of the USSR, and their main ally is Communist China. Nothing about his Russia is "based" or effective. If Russia won the Cold War, these same Russian leaders would be spreading the message of Communism far and wide across the world.
 
The 'we are fighting nazis' line is nothing more than propaganda. dudes working with nazis, he doesnt actually give a fuck. it has nothing to do with idealogy and everything to do with power. its way easier to defend this when you claim its against the group everyone hates.

he's very openly anti progressive. saying he is 'just as woke as the people the right hate' is massively misreading what hes doing there
 
The 'we are fighting nazis' line is nothing more than propaganda. dudes working with nazis, he doesnt actually give a fuck. it has nothing to do with idealogy and everything to do with power
The same thing goes with all the woke people; use the accusation that your enemies are Nazis as propaganda. Considering Putin himself is an ex-KGB spook, and the fact that his main allies are A) ex-Communist Party elites who are now Russian oligarchs and B) Communist China, the man's about as woke as a twat wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt. Shit, Putin and his friends used to be on the same political side as Che.

he's very openly anti progressive. saying he is 'just as woke as the people the right hate' is massively misreading what hes doing there
He's only anti-progressive on certain aspects, like gays. On other things, like abortion, immigration, and his stance on Communism and the USSR, Putin's stance greatly differs from the average right-winger. The Chinese Communists also hate gays, that doesn't make them anti-woke since their whole shtick is Communism. Same goes for Putin.

The west isn't perfect, and almost all western nations have in recent years been involved in messed up shit.

However, when all is said and done - in the history of humanity has there ever been a better option? I don't think so. All nations have done, and continue to do evil things. At least when we invaded a country illegally people could stand up and say it, they could get on TV and denounce it. They wouldn't be locked up for 15 years for questioning whether or not we really needed to depose Saddam Hussein over weapons that there is no evidence of.

Maybe more of a comment on how shit everything is all of the time, but the West is the best of a bad bunch it is worth defending. Especially when the alternative to the current world order is totalitarian China.
Basically, the West is the least-broken car in a junkyard full of broken cars. It's not pristine or perfect, but it's in working order compared to all the other hunks of junk that litter the junkyard.
 
Some of us used to be pro-Putin. Heck, I used to think he was a rational, if not harsh, ruler. That he was a necessary evil that keeps Russia in line.
That's not Pro-Putin, though, is it? I more think that's akin to neutral.
Don't get me wrong, the west is absolute garbage, but Putin is worse. So is China. As flawed as the US is it's still way better than Russia.
I agree.
Believe me, it's not all that complex. People sometimes are overdoing it with skepticism and just go full contrarian.
Or, context matters. There is complexity in this, but I already talked about that and I do not want to shit up the thread. Let's agree to disagree.
 
The same thing goes with all the woke people; use the accusation that your enemies are Nazis as propaganda. Considering Putin himself is an ex-KGB spook, and the fact that his main allies are A) ex-Communist Party elites who are now Russian oligarchs and B) Communist China, the man's about as woke as a twat wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt. Shit, Putin and his friends used to be on the same political side as Che.
Or maybe they accuse some people of being Nazi's because some of them literally are. Nick Fuentes and Spencer for example are openly Nazi's who openly admit to it.

that literally has no relevance or application here. The reasons are totally and completely different. Its blind as fuck to think Putin is the same as some pink haired gaylord calling someone a nazi for saying the n word. He isn't doing it to further progressive talking points, he doesn't give a fuck about that, he's doing it because its easier to use as propaganda.

Horse shoe theory is autistic as fuck.
 
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Or maybe they accuse some people of being Nazi's because some of them literally are. Nick Fuentes and Spencer for example are openly Nazi's who openly admit to it.
The most "Nazi" thing in Ukraine is the Azov battalion. Their government is literally led by a Jew, with support from Jews across the world. That's the least Nazi thing in the world.

that literally has no relevance or application here. The reasons are totally and completely different. Its autistic as fuck to think Putin is the same as some pink haired gaylord calling someone a nazi for saying the n word.
It isn't when both the woke lefties here and Putin's inner circle simp for the same Communism that the West used to fight against. But I get your point; they disagree on things like homosexuals and other tiny details.
 
The most "Nazi" thing in Ukraine is the Azov battalion. Their government is literally led by a Jew, with support from Jews across the world. That's the least Nazi thing in the world.


It isn't when both the woke lefties here and Putin's inner circle simp for the same Communism that the West used to fight against. But I get your point; they disagree on things like homosexuals and other tiny details.
Lol Putin isn't a communist, and he especially isn't advocating for the same communism that American lefties want. You have literally no idea what communism is. You are totally and completely clueless here.

I know you must be obsessed with your great pattern recognition but it's failing you here.
 
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Lol Putin isn't a communist, and he especially isn't advocating for the same communism that American lefties want. You have literally no idea what communism is. You are totally and completely clueless here.

I know you must be obsessed with your great pattern recognition but it's failing you here.

The dude openly said that the fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century. And he was ex-KGB, surrounded by oligarchs who were former USSR party elite. And his main ally is Communist China. It's not that hard to figure out the pattern.

The American lefties want lala-land Communism, but they'll never get it; they'll be the first to get shot when America does turn Communist. They're just the same "useful idiots" Bezmenov talked about in the past; promise pie in the sky Communism, then get betrayed when the Commies actually do take over.

That's not Pro-Putin, though, is it? I more think that's akin to neutral.
No, that was me being pro-Putin back in the day. Thinking that his regime was a necessary counterbalance to the West and to keep Russia stable. I was cheering him on when his forces fought ISIS, whiel the West sat and watched.

Then, I did more digging and research, and found that the same Russian oligarchs who were keking the Russian government in the 90s were former Communist party elite, and they were now Putin's friends. He didn't solve Russia's problems, he made them allies of the State.
 
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Or maybe they accuse some people of being Nazi's because some of them literally are. Nick Fuentes and Spencer for example are openly Nazi's who openly admit to it.

that literally has no relevance or application here. The reasons are totally and completely different. Its blind as fuck to think Putin is the same as some pink haired gaylord calling someone a nazi for saying the n word. He isn't doing it to further progressive talking points, he doesn't give a fuck about that, he's doing it because its easier to use as propaganda.

Horse shoe theory is autistic as fuck.
The irony is, Putin's rhetoric is nationalistic, but at the same time he uses nationalism as a derogatory term when talking about Ukrainians. He says that Ukrainians and Russians are one people, but at the same time he's bombing them. He refuses to recognize that Ukraine even exists as a state, and refuses to recognize Ukrainians as a people - in his words, they're nationalists, meaning nazi, meaning they must be exterminated.

According to him and Kremlin propaganda, nazis hold control of the government and oppress Russian population. In this sleight of hand, anyone resisting his "denazification" is de facto a nazi, so killing them is justified. The obedient ones would be the real Ukrainians... except not. Because they won't be allowed to have a nation, there won't be a Ukraine. It will become just another subject of Russian Federation, or Kremlin-controlled vassal state incapable of making their own decisions. Like every subject within the "federation" currently.

When Putin says "Nazi", he invokes a very specific image of the German soldier from the Great Patriotic War who locked whole villages in barns and burned them alive, raped, pillaged and brutalized then Soviet people.
Cult of the Great Patriotic War been kept alive all these years, and used by the state to brainwash people into state-worshipping idiots.


The dude openly said that the fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century. And he was ex-KGB, surrounded by oligarchs who were former USSR party elite. And his main ally is Communist China. It;s not that hard to figure out the pattern.

The American lefties want lala-land Communism, but they'll never get it; they'll be the first to get shot when America does turn Communist. They're just the same "useful idiots" Bezmenov talked about in the past; promise pie in the sky Communism, then get betrayed when the Commies actually do take over.


No, that was me being pro-Putin back in the day. Thinking that his regime was a necessary counterbalance to the West and to keep Russia stable. I was cheering him on when his forces fought ISIS, whiel the West sat and watched.

Then, I did more digging and research, and found that the same Russian oligarchs who were keking the Russian government in the 90s were former Communist party elite, and they were now Putin's friends. He didn't solve Russia's problems, he made them allies of the State.
I hope you've seen what sort of vile shit Russian mercs where up to in Syria:

They were also working in Donbass region on the side of separatists. Using these animals he fostered conflict on the Ukraine's territory over the last 8 years since Crimea, the whole thing is a bloody gay ops.
 
The irony is, Putin's rhetoric is nationalistic, but at the same time he uses nationalism as a derogatory term when talking about Ukrainians. He says that Ukrainians and Russians are one people, but at the same time he's bombing them. He refuses to recognize that Ukraine even exists as a state, and refuses to recognize Ukrainians as a people - in his words, they're nationalists, meaning nazi, meaning they must be exterminated.
There was a time when they were once the same people. The Slavic nations once looked at Russia as their protector; that if they got into shits with say, the Austrians or the Turks, big brother Russia would bail their asses out. But, thanks to Stalin, the Ukrainians will never trust the Russians ever again, while the rest of the Slavic world could barely give a shit about Russia anymore. Outside of Poland where everyone there hates them.

According to him and Kremlin propaganda, nazis hold control of the government and oppress Russian population. In this sleight of hand, anyone resisting his "denazification" is de facto a nazi, so killing them is justified. The obedient ones would be the real Ukrainians... except not. Because they won't be allowed to have a nation, there won't be a Ukraine. It will become just another subject of Russian Federation, or Kremlin-controlled vassal state incapable of making their own decisions. Like every subject within the "federation" currently.
So basically, he divided Ukrainians into two categories: Russians, and Nazis. Any Ukrainian willing to cooperate is a Russian, anyone else who doesn't want to cooperate is a Nazi.

When Putin says "Nazi", he invokes a very specific image of the German soldier from the Great Patriotic War who locked whole villages in barns and burned them alive, raped, pillaged and brutalized then Soviet people.
Cult of the Great Patriotic War been kept alive all these years, and used by the state to brainwash people into state-worshipping idiots.
They obviously omitted the fact that the Nazi-Soviet pact made it easier for Hitler to declare war against the West, or the fact that their great patriotic forefathers once divided Poland between themselves. Without the Nazi-Soviet alliance, Hitler wouldn't have invaded Poland, because he'd be fighting a two-front war. But with the Soviets on his side, he knew he had an ally that could help him squash the Polish in record time so that he can then send his forces west and crush the French.

I hope you've seen what sort of vile shit Russian mercs where up to in Syria:

They were also working in Donbass region on the side of separatists. Using these animals he fostered conflict on the Ukraine's territory over the last 8 years since Crimea, the whole thing is a bloody gay ops.
Damn. I suppose I really shouldn't be surprised they're firebombing civilians after seeing shit like that.
 
"Selling Alaska was the greatest tragedy of 19th century" - said Putin, "We must restore Russia's borders"

"Take yer swing."
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Given the Russians can't manage to occupy some shithole country on their borders I don't think they would do very well trying to take Alaska. Does Russia even have a functional Navy? Would make for a good plot for a comedy movie.
 
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The same Commie Pinko activists that are trying to push the West off the proverbial cliff openly rule Russia and China, both politically, and economically. Putin himself is a KGB spook, and Russia as of late has been oddly positive towards the USSR, Communism, and Stalin. That obviously points to a sympathy towards Communism, despite all the memes about "based" Russia.

And the thing is, Putin and his people are just as woke as the same people the right-wing hate here in the West. The man is accusing his opponents of being Nazis, he's bringing in more immigration from Central Asia, he and his pals simp for the old Communist regime of the USSR, and their main ally is Communist China. Nothing about his Russia is "based" or effective. If Russia won the Cold War, these same Russian leaders would be spreading the message of Communism far and wide across the world.
Honselty I do find it funny if it wasn't for the fact that Putin hates gays. I'm pretty sure wokies would be defending the guy. Also I think the U.S media also trieds to portray Russia as right wing. Even through its not
 
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