Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[ditto]

Zelensky talked to Biden again.

It will be interesting how Zelensky is treated if Putin does take the whole country and installs a puppet government.
Will he be treated as a government-in-exile like the Khmer Rouge and and take Ukraine's seat in the UN, or more like the Shah and basically be disowned.

 

[3holeDonkeyPunch]

I suspect a peace deal is probable for the Monday talks, if I had money to bet it would probably involve Russia setting up a puppet state or two along the entire coast and basically everything east of the Dnieper, but Kyiv and it's eastern suburbs remain in Ukrainian hands and no regime change takes place. Demilitarization will be a factor as well but Ukraine could also just join the EU to get a defensive pact going with the West and say that joining NATO isn't on their mind.

That's basically the best somewhat realistic outcome for Ukraine at this point, and Putin gets to parade himself around saying the Donbass region being safe, and say Ukraine no longer sharing a border with Russia means the threat is neutralized, plus Putin gets more of those sweet, sweet, warm water ports, before Russia collapses into a massive economic crisis the next month.

I strongly doubt the Ukrainian govt is interested in surrendering territory.

They have nearly unlimited manpads, tens of thousands of dudes are flooding across the border to play cod4real and nearly every nation on earth is giving them money and weapons.

This is going to drag on until it's so ugly that someone gives Putin the Il Duce treatment, mark my words.

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

If Putin doesn't win this war he is gonna get swung from a rope

Sic Semper Tyrranus

OK, so maybe not ALWAYS

 

[Toothpaste]

I’m having a difficult time believing that American companies are suspending business in Russia due to moral principles.

Don’t many of these conpanies (H&M, Nike,Apple,etc) rely on child labor to produce their products cheaply? Seems like sanctions are forcing them to suspend operations in Russia. Consequently, they’re using this situation to generate positive publicity. Or they’re attempting to avoid negative publicity by still operating in Russia.

Coca Cola and McDonalds don’t seem to give a fuck though.

Meanwhile, IKEA has closed all 17 stores and cut their contracts with about 50 suppliers (factories) in Russia almost overnight. Russia was one of their biggest and fastest-growing markets and they decided to just throw that away for clout.

Russians queued just to get into the stores. Some people I know are kicking themselves for investing in foreign currency because investing in IKEA plushies would have instantly doubled their money.

Spoiler: Pictures

Queuing up around the block for Western goods... It's like the good old Soviet times have come back overnight.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

I strongly doubt the Ukrainian govt is interested in surrendering territory.

They have nearly unlimited manpads, tens of thousands of dudes are flooding across the border to play cod4real and nearly every nation on earth is giving them money and weapons.

This is going to drag on until it's so ugly that someone gives Putin the Il Duce treatment, mark my words.

Russia has taken losses but they have taken 1/3 of the country. the chances of it dragging on are pretty slim. I feel like Ukraine is on its last legs. Despite all the propaganda, their losses are significant and when that encirclement happens to their forces facing donbass they will lose 1/2 of there army. Why Zelensky hasn't had them retreat who knows but that is where most of the best troops are. Most everything to the west of this is Ad-Hoc units

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Russia cannot do this. Ukraine will continue to arm itself with western stuff and launch a Barbarossa 2.0 down the road

I'm going to laugh if this invasion somehow leads to Ukraine getting its shit together after the war just for a chance at revenge down the line

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

It will be interesting how Zelensky is treated if Putin does take the whole country and installs a puppet government.
Will he be treated as a government-in-exile like the Khmer Rouge and and take Ukraine's seat in the UN, or more like the Shah and basically be disowned.

Govt. in exile.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Ukraine's Security Service claims that Russian intelligence was working with an organizer and multiple other people, who they busted, on the creation of a "Federal Republic of Ukraine" centered in Ivano-Frankivsk. Supposedly, it would have included Ivano-Frankivsk, Zakarpattia, Lviv, Ternopil, and Chernivtsi.
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This is definitely bullshit btw

That url alone is susaf

 

[Saleh]

Russia cannot do this. Ukraine will continue to arm itself with western stuff and launch a Barbarossa 2.0 down the road

You are so right that it's painful.

It would be another "France wants revenge for 1870-1871, part 2 : electric bogaloo."

We would just wait for the powder keg to explode.

 

[DumbDude42]

It will be interesting how Zelensky is treated if Putin does take the whole country and installs a puppet government.
Will he be treated as a government-in-exile like the Khmer Rouge and and take Ukraine's seat in the UN, or more like the Shah and basically be disowned.

might turn into a PRC/ROC situation where initially everybody tries to prop up the larping government in exile, but over the next few decades most countries end up shifting their support to the real government that actually controls and governs the country

 

[The golden neckbeard]

You are so right that it's painful.

It would be another "France wants revenge for 1870-1871, part 2 : electric bogaloo."

We would just wait for the powder keg to explode.

You could literally get a Hitler like political figure out of this and the west would totally be ok with sending him money and weapons until he inevitably turned on them

 

[Generic Retard]

It will be interesting how Zelensky is treated if Putin does take the whole country and installs a puppet government.
Will he be treated as a government-in-exile like the Khmer Rouge and and take Ukraine's seat in the UN, or more like the Shah and basically be disowned.

inb4 he will be flown out by western "allies" and spends the rest of his life angrily declaring the new government a shit show

BTW, for 40 years Tschernobyl was the accepted transliteration in Germany and now the German state owned media (ARD) are switching to the Ukrainian transliteration "Tschornobyl". Of course they promptly fuck up, switching back and forth at least once in the article I read lol.
Virtue signalling at its best/worst.

 

[MeltyTW]

Russia cannot do this. Ukraine will continue to arm itself with western stuff and launch a Barbarossa 2.0 down the road

they struggled with russian financed groups in their home turf let alone invading russia proper. i dont think thats a real concern

This is going to drag on until it's so ugly that someone gives Putin the Il Duce treatment, mark my words.

i dont really think were going to putin dead territory so much as "putin you suck our country is now much more limited for years to come ya dingus" territory. still really bad for putin but mostly to his ambitions i think

 

[Narcotics]

My opinion is that whatever the outcome of this will be, russia will definitelly keep a part of ukraine, probably territory that borders them directly. They currently have about 1/3 of the country already and they have made it crystal clear that they won't stop soon (shit economy will slow it a little but i doubt it will for long).

 

[The golden neckbeard]

they struggled with russian financed groups in their home turf let alone invading russia proper. i dont think thats a real concern

They were preparing an operation to retake donbass and Crimea by blowing the bridge to crimea and sinking the Russian black sea fleet.


It's well known. They argue on TV about it during public debates (politicians)

So they already had plans to hit Russia down the line they were probably just waiting on something

 

[ForgedBlades]

 

[Dave_Ph]

You're gonna miss tomorrow when I commit suicide by shooting myself in the back of the head 4 times.
Does anyone know where Hillary is right now
Leaked recording of EU representatives talking about the shooting of protesters. They weren't shot by then President Poreshenko they were shot by the people we then put in power.
Some EU folks were upset it wasn't investigated.

Link won't paste

 

[Sammich]

All out in the open
Here is Supreme Court Justice Elana Kagan's daughter
Assistant Sec of State Victoria Nuland
Trump impeacher,
And Steel Dossier disseminateor discussing who should be in the New Ukraine Government and asking to have Jake Sullivan bring in Biden to make sure their choices stick.

https://youtu.be/MSxaa-67yGM

Um, she's not kagan's daughter. Kagan doesn't have any kids and has never been married.


https://grist.org/article/2010-08-09-elena-kagans-childfree-status-the-mean-take-and-the-green-take/

 

[Reddit Gold]

A lot of Russkies have embraced the soviet rape horde meme and are using it to mock fascist Ukies. Case in point:

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Edit: Seems like the above video itself might have been edited. There is another where Putin's hand does not clip. Also, considering the length of the original, it is unlikely that it could have been digitally altered to be as convincing as it is. Looks like Putin really has become a big boy and is no longer afraid of Covid cooties.

Probably not so much no longer afraid of Covid as it is his dislike of Ukraine propaganda portraying him as weak and cowardly has gotten under his skin to the point of overriding his fear a bit. For example, pictures like this:

are blatant Ukraine propaganda, sure. The top picture of Zelensky is some blatant photo-op, probably done at some meet and greet the troops event in the last couple of years. But that doesn't really matter much as the whole point is to portray Putin as a coward who fears to be physically near even what are supposed to be his trusted generals and advisors; especially as compared to Zelensky who's comfortable hanging out with even the common troops, much less his trusted generals and advisors. This photo and other similar photos do that pretty effectively.

Assuming Putin really was there, it's probably him trying to push back against being portrayed as a coward, with the edit of his hand clipping through the microphone done by Ukraine to limit the success of his pushback.



In other news Ireland has apparently used the excuse of removing barriers for Ukraine refugees to lift their remaining Covid restrictions. Though for obvious reasons, the number of Ukraine refugees arriving in Ireland so far is only in the 600-700 range.