Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[76LD910]

Can someone answer me simply: is Russia losing? All my leftist friends and every post on reddit and Twatter is nothing but posts about how well Ukraine is doing and how Russia is moments away from giving up.

Now, I haven't been paying much attention to this war for reasons, but I would assume based on what I know of Russia's military, there's no way Ukraine can beat them, right? Plus, I've learned over the years that whatever reddit and Twatter is pushing, assume the opposite is true.

They aren't losing in the sense that the Ukrainians could never hope to stop them from achieving what they set out to do and declaring mission accomplished without direct military intervention from some other great power.

It's just that winning in this case might end up looking like the Soviet Afghan war only with far more outside support giving to insurgency made all the easier by a massive land border with they're main benefactors and a crator where they're economy was.

 

[Dave_Ph]

This, this is who they want us to hate.

https://youtu.be/BZC2nWJblhk

 

[Matt Damon]

Those who are saying the Ukrainians are losing men and material too as a sign of Russian advantage are the same that try to claim the US was victorious in the Vietnam war because we borke more of their stuff than they broke ours.

Vietnam was on the other side of the planet.

Russia shares a border with Ukraine.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Can someone answer me simply: is Russia losing?

Russia's in the middle of a case of a "Task failed successfully" type scenario. They're likely to conquer Ukraine, but at a much higher cost of men, materials, and money than they expected it to take. While also pissing off much of the world into going "You want to be like the Soviets? Then enjoy a Soviet tier economy". As well as somewhat embarrassing their military with some of the problems they've had.

So at the end of the day they'll win, but no one of consequence will be afraid of anything but their nukes, and they'll be an international pariah stuck making unfavorable deals with the few nations left willing to trade with them.

 

[mr.moon1488]

More people should do this so we know who to avoid. Also, I still think the Ukraine flag colors are ugly.

I miss the 90s and early 2000s when weird hair colors on women normally meant they were part of some garage band and had cool interests.

 

[MG-34]

Vietnam was on the other side of the planet.

Russia shares a border with Ukraine.

Which is another reason the Russians should be doing much better.

 

[Coccxys]

You know I think I could accept learning Russian and losing some right we only have in theory now anyway if it means reddit fags, twitter troons and journoscum going against the wall.

 

[ditto]

Ukrainians treated their Russian ethnic minority like we treated Niggers. They literally shelled them daily for 7 years. All they had to do was stop and promise Russia no NATO missiles on Ukrainian soil. They did niether.

If that Mearsheimer lecture is correct the Russians tried to keep Ukraine neutral in 2013 with an incredibly generous aid package in a deal that would include both Russian and the EU. But the Obama administration wanted to claim Ukraine for the west and now a decade later we have this shitshow.

 

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The people that advocate for higher gas prices for this war probably already have wages that can withstand it
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Good luck with any Russians seeing that if so many are blocked from services
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Wages nothing. They're part of the Email Caste. They don't rely on gas to live, therefore, no one should... right?

What's that? Trucks and Doordash require gas to bring goods and services to the bugman hives? Well they'll just have to eat those higher costs, that's fair right?

 

[Karma Khan]

I miss the 90s and early 2000s when weird hair colors on women normally meant they were part of some garage band and had cool interests.

And when they weren't hideous fucking hambeasts.

 

[Saleh]

I'll say this. If I was still in the US military and we were in a war with similar conditions and was privy to the same information I would say we were losing this war. There's very few ways this war will end and none of them will be positive for Russia. Those who are saying the Ukrainians are losing men and material too as a sign of Russian advantage are the same that try to claim the US was victorious in the Vietnam war because we borke more of their stuff than they broke ours.

It's disingenous to compare Ukraine with Vietnam because Vietnam never posed a strategic danger to the U.S. mainland while Russia sees in Ukraine a strategic threat that must be neutralized.

Ukraine is also on the doorstep of Russia while Vietnam is very far away from the U.S. mainland.

The Russians believe that it's the same situation as the Cuban missile crisis.

Wheter you believe that or not, I don't care. I'm just pointing out what the situation is like from Russia's view.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Future power shut off in Kiev?

 

[Matt Damon]

And when they weren't hideous fucking hambeasts.

Well, some of them weren't.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Ukrainians treated their Russian ethnic minority like we treated Niggers. They literally shelled them daily for 7 years. All they had to do was stop and promise Russia no NATO missiles on Ukrainian soil. They did niether.

See, I'm not actually sure about that after seeing the "evidence" that the Russians presented of Ukraine bombing them. Additionally, it doesn't make sense as several of the cities putting up the fiercest resistance to the Russian invasion as majority ethnic Russian.

 

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Future power shut off in Kiev?
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Makes sense. Will stop the embarassing videos and pictures. Surprised they haven't started taking out cell towers.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Not losing so much as not doing as well as everyone with a brain expected.

The annexation of Crimea was kind of a tactical masterpiece as I understand it. Over almost as soon as it was started, once they blocked a couple of tunnels. The Ukes were caught completely flat-footed.

'Course the fact that Crimea got 90% of its water from a canal the Ukes promptly filled in means it wasn't exactly a strategic victory by any stretch, either. Apparently the whole peninsula is well on its way to being a desert at this point.

Still, not sure why the Russkies aren't showing at least the same sort of cunning they did with Crimea. Even if they don't take the long view.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Al Jazeeras journalist in South Ukraine just drove past a column of Ukrainian Tanks in southeastern Ukraine on the main road to mariople.

Lets allow this reality to marinate for a hot second. 5 Ukrainian tanks. On the main road to a besieged city. In East Ukraine. 2 weeks into the war.

The reason I am relying on AL Jazeera for this is because it's owned by Qatar and Qatar does not have an axe to grind in this situation so I seriously doubt they just made up the fact the Ukrainian Armored units are still in active maneuver east of the Dneiper.

Russia is in deep shit now. They can't bring their force to bear on Kiev because they launched a land war in Asia at the end of winter. The Northern Steppe is a bog right now. To take Kiev they need to bring their forces up from the South, and to do that they need to take Kharkiv and Mariople. Which is proving very hard. Meanwhile the Russian Black Sea Fleet is out of position. Instead of supporting the fighting in Mariople, it's on a vanity project preparing to attack Odessa. Classic Russian doctrine. Don't change the plan due to changing circumstances. Stick to the plan no matter what.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I'll say this. If I was still in the US military and we were in a war with similar conditions and was privy to the same information I would say we were losing this war. There's very few ways this war will end and none of them will be positive for Russia. Those who are saying the Ukrainians are losing men and material too as a sign of Russian advantage are the same that try to claim the US was victorious in the Vietnam war because we borke more of their stuff than they broke ours.

Taking anything either side says in this war as truth, come on son.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Has anyone here ever met a Ruskie soldier in person or seen what are they like up close?



And what is up with their striped undershirts?

 

[MG-34]

It's disingenous to compare Ukraine with Vietnam because Vietnam never posed a strategic danger to the U.S. mainland while Russia sees in Ukraine a strategic threat that must be neutralized.

Ukraine is also on the doorstep of Russia while Vietnam is very far away from the U.S. mainland.

The Russians believe that it's the same situation as the Cuban missile crisis.

Wheter you believe that or not, I don't care. I'm just pointing out what the situation is like from Russia's view.

Its a false comparison to compare this to the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US and NATO does not stage nuclear weapons in the Baltics or even in the Pacific which would have inched nuclear weapons closer to Russian territory and hasn't stated they intended to position nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That narrative has been repeated as a caucus belli over and over but is a weak excuse based on what ifs. Ground based ballistic missiles or air delivered nuclear weapons aren't even needed in an age with SSBNs. NATO could have just put nuclear weapons in Poland if they really wanted that reach.