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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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In September 2020, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy approved Ukraine’s new National Security Strategy, which provides for the development of the distinctive partnership with NATO with the aim of membership in NATO.


Dec 2021

The Russian demands include a ban on Ukraine entering Nato and a limit to the deployment of troops and weapons to Nato’s eastern flank, in effect returning Nato forces to where they were stationed in 1997, before an eastward expansion.

January 2022

Top United States and Russian diplomats have made no major breakthrough in Geneva but they have agreed to keep talking to try to resolve a heated stand-off over Ukraine that has stoked fears of a military conflict.

February 2022

Russian President Vladimir Putin says the US and its allies have ignored Russia's top security demands but Moscow remains open to more talks with the West to ease soaring tensions over Ukraine.

Mr Putin said it was possible to negotiate an end to the stand-off if the interests of all parties, including Russia's security concerns, were taken into account.

And he invaded, instead of allowing the Europeans to get more and more reliant on the oil and natural gas that his country provided, thereby gaining more influence for Russia in central and western Europe, where all the EU action is. Get in bed with Berlin and Brussels, and you'll have a major influence over the EU and its decisions.

I mean, come on, any neophyte political analyst would have just used cheaper oil and gas prices to get the EU to negotiate with Zelensky and have him and the US recognize the breakaway regions as independent republics.

Now, Russia's army is becoming a laughingstock on the world stage, and even if they can take Ukraine and topple the Zelensky government, with all the losses they've suffered, they won't be able to keep it.

Also, again, Sleepy Joe isn't that hard to strong-arm, and Zelensky's popularity was waning before the war. It was in the negatives. How hard would it be to use oil money to covertly fund a populist candidate to topple him in an election?
 
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Honestly, we're beyond Freedom Fries at this stage. Fucking Quebec...
 
So, I fully admit that Im not knowledgable about how international credit card transactions and accounting works, but since they've given a few days notice, what's to stop Russians from doing cash withdrawals on any remaining credit, then just never paying back Visa or Mastercard?

"What are you going to do? You don't even operate in my country anymore, globofags."
Payments outside of Russia using these cards don't work anymore, I just tried. And pretty much all of Russian banks use MasterCard and/or Visa.
 
And he invaded, instead of allowing the Europeans to get more and more reliant on the oil and natural gas that his country provided, thereby gaining more influence for Russia in central and western Europe, where all the EU action is. Get in bed with Berlin and Brussels, and you'll have a major influence over the EU and its decisions.

My guess is that the Russian attempts to "softly convince" people had failed. Remember the earliest allusion to Ukraine in NATO was 2014.

On 29 August 2014, following reports that the Russian military was operating within Ukraine, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arsenii Yatseniuk announced that he would ask the Ukrainian parliament to put Ukraine on a path towards NATO membership.

So after 8 years of trying to "massage" the situation, it was then clear it wasn't going to happen.

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On Tuesday morning, “journalist” Daria Kaleniuk confronted British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, demanding NATO enters the war in Ukraine, despite massive public objections to Western nations becoming involved.

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“You’re coming to Poland – you’re not coming to Kyiv, Prime Minister. You’re not coming to Lviv,” said Kaleniuk, in remarks being lauded by the international press.

“Because you are afraid. Because NATO is not willing to defend. Because NATO is afraid of World War 3 – but it has already started.”

Kaleniuk, however, is scarcely the “journalist” Western media outlets are portraying. Instead, The National Pulse can reveal, Kaleniuk is a long-time political activist recently used in the Joe Biden 2020 campaign. Additionally, Kaleniuk serves as a World Economic Forum (WEF) Global Young Leader.

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My guess is that the Russian attempts to "softly convince" people had failed. Remember the earliest allusion to Ukraine in NATO was 2014.

On 29 August 2014, following reports that the Russian military was operating within Ukraine, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arsenii Yatseniuk announced that he would ask the Ukrainian parliament to put Ukraine on a path towards NATO membership.

So after 8 years of trying to "massage" the situation, it was then clear it wasn't going to happen.

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On Tuesday morning, “journalist” Daria Kaleniuk confronted British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, demanding NATO enters the war in Ukraine, despite massive public objections to Western nations becoming involved.

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“You’re coming to Poland – you’re not coming to Kyiv, Prime Minister. You’re not coming to Lviv,” said Kaleniuk, in remarks being lauded by the international press.

“Because you are afraid. Because NATO is not willing to defend. Because NATO is afraid of World War 3 – but it has already started.”

Kaleniuk, however, is scarcely the “journalist” Western media outlets are portraying. Instead, The National Pulse can reveal, Kaleniuk is a long-time political activist recently used in the Joe Biden 2020 campaign. Additionally, Kaleniuk serves as a World Economic Forum (WEF) Global Young Leader.

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And this ignores the fact that Europe was beginning to rely more and more on Russian oil and natural gas, so much so that a SECOND Nord Stream pipeline was being made before the war started.

Again, it was obvious that there were better avenues, especially since oil and natural gas would get very valuable as Europe "goes green". Better to let someone else pump the gas into them than for them to dig it out themselves.

Instead, Putin wastes the lives of his men and his ever-weakening army trying to take a country that he can't realistically hold. He's already losing lots of men, money, and materiel in the process of taking Ukraine; holding it will be a nightmare.
 
From The Guardian liveblog
South Korea will implement export controls against Belarus for “effectively supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine”, Seoul’s foreign ministry said on Sunday.

The ministry did not detail what measures would be taken, but said they will be applied in a similar way to moves already taken by South Korea against Russia, Reuters reports.

It condemned Moscow as having launched an “armed invasion” of Ukraine.

South Korea said last month it would tighten export controls against Russia by banning shipments of strategic items and join Western countries’ moves to block some Russian banks from the Swift international payments system.

“The Korean government decided today to implement export control measures against Belarus as well, judging that Belarus is effectively supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine,” the ministry said in a statement.

The Ukrainian military is reporting that more than 11,000 Russian military personnel have died since the invasion began.

A total 285 Russian tanks were also reported to have been destroyed as well as 109 artillery systems, 44 aircraft and 48 helicopters, according to a report by the general staff of the armed forces of Ukraine and published to the website of the Ukrainian ministry of defence.

“Just yesterday, more than 650 wounded members of the Russian occupation forces were taken to the central city hospital in the village of Bryanka, Luhansk region,” the report adds.

“All of them are mostly in serious condition... after providing first aid, they were escorted by an armed convoy from the regular forces of the Russian armed forces to the line of combat to introduce further hostilities as ‘cannon fodder’. It is known that the personnel of the 6th separate motorised rifle regiment is frightened and demoralised, looking for ways to desertion.”
Honestly, even if I supported Ukraine, I'm skeptical with the number. As the wounded, missing, and captured numbers would be higher, total Russian casualties would be in the 20k-30k, there should have been a total breakdown of the Russian forces by then if the number is real
 
My guess is that the Russian attempts to "softly convince" people had failed. Remember the earliest allusion to Ukraine in NATO was 2014.

On 29 August 2014, following reports that the Russian military was operating within Ukraine, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arsenii Yatseniuk announced that he would ask the Ukrainian parliament to put Ukraine on a path towards NATO membership.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–NATO_relations#:~:text=On 29 August 2014, following,a path towards NATO membership.
So after 8 years of trying to "massage" the situation, it was then clear it wasn't going to happen.
Yanukovych fled Ukraine amid the Euromaidan uprising in February 2014. As a result of this revolution, the interim Yatseniuk Government came to power in Ukraine. The Yatseniuk Government initially stated it did not have the intention of making Ukraine a member of NATO.

NATO officials vowed support for Ukraine and worked to downplay tensions between the bloc and Russia, which refused to recognize the impeachment of Yanukovych or the Yatseniuk Government. In late February 2014, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Secretary General of NATO, reaffirmed that NATO membership is still an option for Ukraine.

On 29 August 2014, following reports that the Russian military was operating within Ukraine, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arsenii Yatseniuk announced that he would ask the Ukrainian parliament to put Ukraine on a path towards NATO membership. The government has also signaled that it hopes for major non-NATO ally status with the United States, NATO's largest military power and contributor.
Are you... are you saying Ukraine considered membership in NATO in direct response to Russia fucking around inside their borders? And you're claiming Putin is justified in wanting NATO gone when its Russia's own actions that aligned Ukraine towards NATO? Your own link says relations were friendly but non-exclusive on both the NATO and Ukraine side of things until Russian intervention in August, months after the Euromaidan government had stated membership was not a priority.
 
And this ignores the fact that Europe was beginning to rely more and more on Russian oil and natural gas, so much so that a SECOND Nord Stream pipeline was being made before the war started.

Again, it was obvious that there were better avenues, especially since oil and natural gas would get very valuable as Europe "goes green". Better to let someone else pump the gas into them than for them to dig it out themselves.

Instead, Putin wastes the lives of his men and his ever-weakening army trying to take a country that he can't realistically hold. He's already losing lots of men, money, and materiel in the process of taking Ukraine; holding it will be a nightmare.
Considering how absurd this decision was, I tend to think it was mostly motivated by ego than any geopolitical reasoning.

Try to think like authoritarian at the last stretch of his life who ruled the country for ~20 years and got away with everything, surrounded by people afraid of criticizing him who would rather say what he wants to hear. This moron started believing his own propaganda.
 
Are you... are you saying Ukraine considered membership in NATO in direct response to Russia fucking around inside their borders? And you're claiming Putin is justified in wanting NATO gone when its Russia's own actions that aligned Ukraine towards NATO? Your own link says relations were friendly but non-exclusive on both the NATO and Ukraine side of things until Russian intervention in August, months after the Euromaidan government had stated membership was not a priority.

Euromaidan (/ˌjʊərəˌmaɪˈdɑːn, ˌjʊəroʊ-/;[74][75] Ukrainian: Євромайдан, romanized: Yevromaidan, literally 'Euro Square'[nb 6]), or the Maidan Uprising,[79] was a wave of demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests in Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square) in Kyiv. The protests were sparked by the Ukrainian government's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union.

Oleksandr Yakymenko, the former head of Ukraine's Security Service, claimed this week in an interview with TV channel Rossiya that pro-Maidan (pro-Western) organizers were the ones behind the Feb. 20 shootings.

Yakymenko said the shots came from Kyiv's Philharmonic Hall. That particular building was overseen by the Fatherland Party's deputy Andriy Parubiy, known unofficially as the "commander of Maidan." After President Viktor Yanukovych fled Ukraine, Parubiy assumed the post of Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council for the interim Ukrainian government.


Russians aren't the only ones that like to meddle.
 
Russia struck and disabled Ukraine’s Starokostiantyniv military air base with long-range high-precision weapons, Russia’s defence ministry claimed on Sunday.

“The Russia armed forces continue to strike the military infrastructure of Ukraine,” Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said.

“On the morning of 6 March, strikes were carried out by high-precision long-range weapons. The Ukrainian air force base near Starokostiantyniv was disabled.”

He said a Ukrainian-controlled S-300 missile system had also been destroyed by Russian rocket forces. He added that Russia had downed 10 Ukrainian planes and helicopters over the past 24 hours.
 
The difference is, NATO is willing to keep funding Ukraine and help them replace anything they've lost, while the Russians are on their own, as their supply lines keep breaking down. It's not a fair fight if one side is getting money and guns while the other has to rely on their own broken logistics network. The former can recover from any loss and get re-supplied easily, while every loss the latter suffers is a loss they can't afford.
 
Euromaidan (/ˌjʊərəˌmaɪˈdɑːn, ˌjʊəroʊ-/;[74][75] Ukrainian: Євромайдан, romanized: Yevromaidan, literally 'Euro Square'[nb 6]), or the Maidan Uprising,[79] was a wave of demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests in Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square) in Kyiv. The protests were sparked by the Ukrainian government's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union.

Oleksandr Yakymenko, the former head of Ukraine's Security Service, claimed this week in an interview with TV channel Rossiya that pro-Maidan (pro-Western) organizers were the ones behind the Feb. 20 shootings.

Yakymenko said the shots came from Kyiv's Philharmonic Hall. That particular building was overseen by the Fatherland Party's deputy Andriy Parubiy, known unofficially as the "commander of Maidan." After President Viktor Yanukovych fled Ukraine, Parubiy assumed the post of Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council for the interim Ukrainian government.


Russians aren't the only ones that like to meddle.
Implying people didn't want it. Europe is pretty swell compared to the glorified gas station that is Russia. I'm pretty sure it was voted on with the side wanting to join EU winning, but their then pro-Russian president refused to follow it up, going against their will.
Yanukovych is now living in Russia on one of the Putin's dachas, or maybe his own, I'm not quite sure. Only that he's here along with the money he stole, in the same fashion that Afghanistan's president fled.

Regardless, it's all internal affairs and literally none of Russia's business. Diplomacy, economical and media influence to sway country to your side is how things are done in this day and age.
Ukrainians preferring Europe to Russia is not surprising, and it doesn't justify military invasion. What mental gymnastics are you going to use to disprove that?
 
Euromaidan (/ˌjʊərəˌmaɪˈdɑːn, ˌjʊəroʊ-/;[74][75] Ukrainian: Євромайдан, romanized: Yevromaidan, literally 'Euro Square'[nb 6]), or the Maidan Uprising,[79] was a wave of demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests in Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square) in Kyiv. The protests were sparked by the Ukrainian government's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union.

Oleksandr Yakymenko, the former head of Ukraine's Security Service, claimed this week in an interview with TV channel Rossiya that pro-Maidan (pro-Western) organizers were the ones behind the Feb. 20 shootings.

Yakymenko said the shots came from Kyiv's Philharmonic Hall. That particular building was overseen by the Fatherland Party's deputy Andriy Parubiy, known unofficially as the "commander of Maidan." After President Viktor Yanukovych fled Ukraine, Parubiy assumed the post of Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council for the interim Ukrainian government.


Russians aren't the only ones that like to meddle.
Is there a reason you like posting incomplete snippets with poor formatting?
 
The difference is, NATO is willing to keep funding Ukraine and help them replace anything they've lost, while the Russians are on their own, as their supply lines keep breaking down. It's not a fair fight if one side is getting money and guns while the other has to rely on their own broken logistics network. The former can recover from any loss and get re-supplied easily, while every loss the latter suffers is a loss they can't afford.

That's why I believe this wasn't some snap decision. I think Russia had exhausted all other options. They knew the funding and weapons Ukraine was already getting. The West was intent on changing the regime in Russia at some point. So the Russian government decided to do something about it.
 
The West was intent on changing the regime in Russia at some point. So the Russian government decided to do something about it.
Sorry, but I disagree with this. Most people, no matter their politics, are much more worried about China than the Russian before this war started. Hell, even now some people are much more worried what China would do than Russia. Russia was losing its power as US biggest adversary, and also its position in the global stage both socially and economically

Besides, Putin is what? 70? The West only needs to wait for him to die or weaken himself due to old age. There are many examples of dictator losing their power because of the latter, especially the stronger and tighter their power are, the more easily they could lose it because of age
 
Besides, Putin is what? 70? The West only needs to wait for him to die or weaken himself due to old age. There are many examples of dictator losing their power because of the latter, especially the stronger and tighter their power are, the more easily they could lose it because of age

If we assume Putin is a Russian Nationalist, then doing nothing and waiting until death is suicide to him, and what I would assume to be his supporters in Parliament.
 
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That's why I believe this wasn't some snap decision. I think Russia had exhausted all other options. They knew the funding and weapons Ukraine was already getting. The West was intent on changing the regime in Russia at some point. So the Russian government decided to do something about it.
Jesus Christ dude, they've been fucking around in Ukraine for *checks calendar* eight years (that we know of), been increasingly confrontational towards the West and Ukraine in those eight years to the point of issuing outright demands to NATO all the way back in November. At no fucking point was NATO ever opposed to actual discussion with Russia. Hell, from my understanding he had already made his mind up to pull the trigger even as the West was trying to negotiate a peaceful outcome. Shit, I thought the latest remake of the Munich Conference with Germany replacing England and Putin taking Hitler's spot would have had Ukraine get force-fed a shit sandwich thanks to a Russian-German double team with France just shrugging their shoulders and saying there was nothing they could do.
 
I just think it's funny that all the self proclaimed experts of recognizing propaganda were insisting a month ago that Russia wouldn't invade and that was all globohomo fearmongering, what would they have to gain from an actual invasion (to be fair I kind of thought that too) and have now seamlessly transitioned to insisting Russia had no choice but to invade and it's actually going really well for them.
 
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