Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Self-Aware-Neckbeard said:
It really is just a joke, in the end, isn't it? If there is a worthless platitude to be said, and there are many in this post, it is that the gears will keep turning without us as individuals...

What are the people of Ukraine fighting for? Many are there because they were forcibly drafted, some are there because they want to fight for their country, and a few are there because that's their job as a member of the military. There are people who evacuate, most of them women, because they can. Are they not cowards as well? Why aren't they staying and fighting and just sending their children away? I suppose that would be unreasonable. I don't mean that as a spike against women; the desire to live is common to all of us, and many of the men would do the same if they were given the chance. Most people want to see their children happy, and they need to be alive to do so. But why is one a coward and the other not so? It just sounds weird. Some people can live happily while being gutless cowards, others are overwhelmed with guilt. Some people regret fighting.
Most of what I said about Ukrainians applies to Russians as well, I suppose, only they're not quite so worried about evacuation.

Really, what does Ukraine gain by fighting? What do they expect to happen? Do they expect world war III to begin for their sake? (I do not believe such a thing will happen, by the way. I am a doomer with nothing to look forward to, and I may be stupid, and it may be I would not mind if the world ceased being, but that's just not gonna happen.) Do they expect the miracle that Putin ceases invading? I am not saying surrender is the right option, no, I am just considering things like a weedhead with no personal involvement with these matters. Is dying for your beliefs good for anyone beyond your own self? Should the Nazis have died for their beliefs? Would it not have been better if the Nazis surrendered? Is nationalism not just another way to feed one's own ego? What would happen if the Ukrainians surrendered instead of extending the toll of death even further?

I don't really know what I'm saying. I might not be saying anything at all; it is not as if I'm being any less useful than all the Redditors with Ukraine flags. I think we humans are egocentric by nature, and that even the desire for a communal living relies on fulfilling our own selfish wants, Nationalism included. We die and the world moves on; Ukrainians die and the world goes on; Russia fails its invasion and the world goes on; world war III happens and the world goes on, whatever happens with humans.
I'm not saying the world is meaningless either; we give the world our own meanings. The deserters want to be with the ones they love or merely away from all the fighting; mothers and fathers want their children to live happy long lives; youths want to work and love and fuck and live; countrymen want to fight for the concept of their nation! Life isn't just suffering, no, but as far as I know, the world goes on.

I'll probably be banned. Sorry, mod.
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I'm beginning to see advantages to identifying as a woman.
 
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LUNEKO said:
So it was true, the backup plan was China
Its not gonna nullify all damages and the downside is that now you're a vasal state of the CCP and good fucking luck with that
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Kinda seems like being a vassal of the US or China are the only options on the menu for Russia. They tried being an independent peer of the US/EU but that led to color revolutions and decades of escalating fuckery culminating in the current shitfest.

They both suck and it's not much of a choice, but at least the Chinks aren't encouraging people to sterilize and faggotize their children while turning the entire Middle East into PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds so there's that, I suppose
 
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Self-Aware-Neckbeard said:
It really is just a joke, in the end, isn't it? If there is a worthless platitude to be said, and there are many in this post, it is that the gears will keep turning without us as individuals...

What are the people of Ukraine fighting for? Many are there because they were forcibly drafted, some are there because they want to fight for their country, and a few are there because that's their job as a member of the military. There are people who evacuate, most of them women, because they can. Are they not cowards as well? Why aren't they staying and fighting and just sending their children away? I suppose that would be unreasonable. I don't mean that as a spike against women; the desire to live is common to all of us, and many of the men would do the same if they were given the chance. Most people want to see their children happy, and they need to be alive to do so. But why is one a coward and the other not so? It just sounds weird. Some people can live happily while being gutless cowards, others are overwhelmed with guilt. Some people regret fighting.
Most of what I said about Ukrainians applies to Russians as well, I suppose, only they're not quite so worried about evacuation.

Really, what does Ukraine gain by fighting? What do they expect to happen? Do they expect world war III to begin for their sake? (I do not believe such a thing will happen, by the way. I am a doomer with nothing to look forward to, and I may be stupid, and it may be I would not mind if the world ceased being, but that's just not gonna happen.) Do they expect the miracle that Putin ceases invading? I am not saying surrender is the right option, no, I am just considering things like a weedhead with no personal involvement with these matters. Is dying for your beliefs good for anyone beyond your own self? Should the Nazis have died for their beliefs? Would it not have been better if the Nazis surrendered? Is nationalism not just another way to feed one's own ego? What would happen if the Ukrainians surrendered instead of extending the toll of death even further?

I don't really know what I'm saying. I might not be saying anything at all; it is not as if I'm being any less useful than all the Redditors with Ukraine flags. I think we humans are egocentric by nature, and that even the desire for a communal living relies on fulfilling our own selfish wants, Nationalism included. We die and the world moves on; Ukrainians die and the world goes on; Russia fails its invasion and the world goes on; world war III happens and the world goes on, whatever happens with humans.
I'm not saying the world is meaningless either; we give the world our own meanings. The deserters want to be with the ones they love or merely away from all the fighting; mothers and fathers want their children to live happy long lives; youths want to work and love and fuck and live; countrymen want to fight for the concept of their nation! Life isn't just suffering, no, but as far as I know, the world goes on.

I'll probably be banned. Sorry, mod.
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Putin would have been happy to leave an intact and independent Ukraine on condition they acted like Switzerland. Enter into a free trade deal with the EU no worries but no NATO membership. But the US couldn't let them go so now they'll end up, at best, as a partitioned Russian vassal state. It's what happens when you allow Jews to dominate your polity, they're not Ukrainian and they had absolutely no desire to do what was best for the people of Ukraine. Even now, with defeat staring them in the face, their government with their Jewish actor 'President' and the Jewish oligarchs who control him, still refuse to rule out joining NATO and are pushing gay ops to drag the west into going to war for them. Even Biden isn't demented enough to launch a land war with Russia.
 
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On a scale of 0 to -1488 how worried should poltards be of the below threat?
 

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Not sure if it's already been posted as it's a few days old but John Mearsheimer gave a talk about the current situation. There are some technical difficulties in the beginning but it's definitely worth a listen. Here are some of the key points:

- America is to blame for the current conflict for backing Russia into a corner and leading Ukraine down the primrose path
- America is willing to fight down to the last Ukrainian. It would be in Ukraine's best interest to divorce itself from the West and work out a deal with Russia.
- Russia will probably annex Donbas and possibly everything east of the Dnieper.
- Russia doesn't want to occupy the country, but would sooner go full Fallujah than walk away with its tail between its legs.
- In March 2021, Zelensky said Ukraine will take back Crimea, with military force if needed. There's no way the manlet would act like such a big boy without America's backing.
- Biden and his advisers are utterly clueless about the growing friendship between Russia and China.
- Putin wouldn't be so aggressive without the support of China.
- In international politics, might makes right. Russia is basically exercising their own Monroe Doctrine. Americans might not like it but they should try to imagine Russia or China having a military presence in Toronto or Mexico City.
- Nationalism is a more powerful force than economic sanctions. Iran and Cuba have withstood sanctions, so there's no reason to believe Russia won't be able to do the same. The more we isolate Russia, the more the Russian people will rally around Putin, oligarchs included. Especially with China in their corner.
 
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Self-Aware-Neckbeard said:
It really is just a joke, in the end, isn't it? If there is a worthless platitude to be said, and there are many in this post, it is that the gears will keep turning without us as individuals...

What are the people of Ukraine fighting for? Many are there because they were forcibly drafted, some are there because they want to fight for their country, and a few are there because that's their job as a member of the military. There are people who evacuate, most of them women, because they can. Are they not cowards as well? Why aren't they staying and fighting and just sending their children away? I suppose that would be unreasonable. I don't mean that as a spike against women; the desire to live is common to all of us, and many of the men would do the same if they were given the chance. Most people want to see their children happy, and they need to be alive to do so. But why is one a coward and the other not so? It just sounds weird. Some people can live happily while being gutless cowards, others are overwhelmed with guilt. Some people regret fighting.
Most of what I said about Ukrainians applies to Russians as well, I suppose, only they're not quite so worried about evacuation.

Really, what does Ukraine gain by fighting? What do they expect to happen? Do they expect world war III to begin for their sake? (I do not believe such a thing will happen, by the way. I am a doomer with nothing to look forward to, and I may be stupid, and it may be I would not mind if the world ceased being, but that's just not gonna happen.) Do they expect the miracle that Putin ceases invading? I am not saying surrender is the right option, no, I am just considering things like a weedhead with no personal involvement with these matters. Is dying for your beliefs good for anyone beyond your own self? Should the Nazis have died for their beliefs? Would it not have been better if the Nazis surrendered? Is nationalism not just another way to feed one's own ego? What would happen if the Ukrainians surrendered instead of extending the toll of death even further?

I don't really know what I'm saying. I might not be saying anything at all; it is not as if I'm being any less useful than all the Redditors with Ukraine flags. I think we humans are egocentric by nature, and that even the desire for a communal living relies on fulfilling our own selfish wants, Nationalism included. We die and the world moves on; Ukrainians die and the world goes on; Russia fails its invasion and the world goes on; world war III happens and the world goes on, whatever happens with humans.
I'm not saying the world is meaningless either; we give the world our own meanings. The deserters want to be with the ones they love or merely away from all the fighting; mothers and fathers want their children to live happy long lives; youths want to work and love and fuck and live; countrymen want to fight for the concept of their nation! Life isn't just suffering, no, but as far as I know, the world goes on.

I'll probably be banned. Sorry, mod.
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Nice autistic blog post. Women aren't supposed to go to war because they're birthing units and men are worker/soldier drones.
 
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Rezza said:
Good luck to Russia becoming China's bitch now. The Chinese are asshole on economic and business, kinda like the jews of Asia. Becoming Chinese vassal in any capacity is not a fate I don't want anyone to have
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Historically, the Chinese are not interested in dominating/vassalising others, insomuch in making sure you acknowledge their superiority and pay your tributes on time.

All that historical precedent, however, may not apply to the modern CCP. Still, judging from how they have soft-dominated Africa, that would be the likely fate of Russia. Bound to the mainland by debt slavery and obligation, but left nominally independent otherwise.
 
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Sexual Chocolate said:
They both suck and it's not much of a choice, but at least the Chinks aren't encouraging people to sterilize and faggotize their children while turning the entire Middle East into PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds so there's that, I suppose
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Oh, boy, you never deal with the mainland chinese, did you? They're some of the most annoying people I've ever met. Like I said, they're like the jews of asia. They only cares about how to profit themselves and the other chinese. All of the business will end up in the chinese hands, because that's what they do. They won't do business if they're not in control, so you can expect the russian will be forced to do their bidding. I'm not surprised if the Russian will be worked hard like slaves now, because that's how they always run their business and industry, treating their workers like slaves
 
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Ly Erg said:
Not really surprising. I wonder if the Chinese Government saw this coming or not. Either way, it's more influence for them.
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Of course they did. As did everyone. Russia knew getting into this it would mean splitting from everywhere else. That is what so many westerners do not understand. They don’t understand just how much Russia dislikes and distrusts us that that is a better option.
 
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here is a very interesting thread and I encourage everyone to read through it

It pretty much is putting the russian logistics problems on Cheap tires from China

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Anyway....here is thread for those who have twatter

He makes some interesting points

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And to think that we thought the Soviet Union was our equal...I just can't even.

I can just imagine the selection process for MOS's in the Russian Army.

Base Commander: "Comrade Ivan, what is your experience with automobile?"

Corporal Ivan: "Sir, I once saw an episode of Dukes of Hazzard on pirate TV station as young boy."

Base Commander: "Excellent. You are now in charge of motor pool, Comrade Ivan."
 
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