Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Mussi]

Russia also demands they sign an agreement to not be apart of any military block, meaning all the main things that Russia wanted it will get.

I imagine there will also be a nonsense article forbidding Nazism to completely declare victory.

 

[Aidan]

I am being asked for PrOoF that Ukrainians committed atrocities against ethnic Russians in Ukraine, within the last 8 years. Can anyone help out? - I found a Russian website with some stuff but the video link on it doesn't work.

Yeah tell them to look it up on the internet.

I'm lazy but here's a video that has some clips (with links in the video annoyingly but still) you can use as a starting point. Honestly, I don't know how you can ignore anything when seeing things going hot pre-Feb 24, 2022 in Donbass. The "green men" thing has been known for years but whoever you're talking to 100% has no clue and 100% doesn't give a fuck about the truth. They've made up their minds.

Video itself is shitty, don't blindly share it.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

That's pretty much what was originally wanted. Some (including me) speculated that since this erupted into a full war, Russia was going to claim everything east of the Dnieper. There's something Russia could do in all of this which would make things really awkward for Ukraine, but I don't see them doing it due to external politics. That is demanding that the region north of the Azov sea becomes an independent nation too. This would make things really difficult politically for both the AZOV militia and the Ukrainian government.

I don't see Russia leaving while giving up Kherson, Melitopol and soon Mariupol.

 

[Kane Lives]

Russia also demands they sign an agreement to not be apart of any military block, meaning all the main things that Russia wanted it will get.

This one will probably be a nasty stickler. As some others pointed out, while geopolitically it makes sense, it also sets Ukraine at the mercy of Russia.

Although maybe they can get a third party to enforce neutrality like how the UK once guaranteed Belgium.

 

[Mussi]

This one will probably be a nasty stickler. As some others pointed out, while geopolitically it makes sense, it also sets Ukraine at the mercy of Russia.

Although maybe they can get a third party to enforce neutrality like how the UK once guaranteed Belgium.

Thing is, Zelensky has always been very willing to agree to neutrality ever since the invasion started. The big obstacle was his unwillingness to recognize Russia's occupation of Crimea and the DNR and LNR.

 

[TruthSeekingDaimon]

Kinda surprised at how globohomo isnt buying Putins 'denazification' stick.
Canada made truckers into 'nazis'
Some nerds in Ukraine isnt a stretch.
Wonder if there is a way to make BLM into 'nazis' and denazify them. . . .

 

[Mussi]

I don't see Russia leaving while giving up Kherson, Melitopol and soon Mariupol.

If the DNR is given the entire Donetsk Oblast as I'm sure Putin intends, then they would also have Mariupol. Leaving the Sumy, Zaporizhia, Kherson, Kharkiv, and Mykolaiv Oblasts would be bitter pills to swallow, though.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Assuming the other side will never use their big guns no matter the provocation is a great way to push them into doing so.

Hey, if there's one thing this entire fiasco has taught us, it's that the Russian leadership doesn't get that threats need to be credible.

 

[Pimpleking55]

So the USA is pushing the world towards WW3, why?.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

whoever you're talking to 100% has no clue and 100% doesn't give a fuck about the truth. They've made up their minds.

Yeah, I totally agree. He is someone who takes an absence of proof as proof of absence.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I don't see Russia leaving while giving up Kherson, Melitopol and soon Mariupol.

Maybe, but if Russia's goals turn out to be forced recognization of breakaway states, I can definitely see that getting sanctions lifted faster than Defacto annexing most of a country. Russia obviously cares about its economy and with the The West going so anti-Russia it's threatening to commit economic suicide just so Russia dies that bit faster I can see them making a backdoor deal so to speak.

 

[Borscht]

Maybe, but if Russia's goals turn out to be forced recognization of breakaway states, I can definitely see that getting sanctions lifted faster than Defacto annexing most of a country.

Genuine question, do you really think anything will be lifted? They just kept piling them up after 2014, I am not aware of a single one being removed past that date.

 

[mr.moon1488]

I don't see Russia leaving while giving up Kherson, Melitopol and soon Mariupol.

Melitopol and Mariupol maybe, but I don't see them wanting to retain Kherson.

 

[TruthSeekingDaimon]

This decade is off to a good start.
We are only two years in.

 

[Strix454]

Although maybe they can get a third party to enforce neutrality like how the UK once guaranteed Belgium.

The way Belgium actually worked was that just about every great power in Europe in 1839 guaranteed Belgium's territorial integrity. The British presented themselves as having some special right to guarantee Belgium in 1914 but it was not so.
The treaty was intended to protect Belgium from France and the Netherlands. And to end the wars over Belgium by France and the Netherlands. There was alot of creative interpretation of the treaty in 1914;.

 

[Matt Damon]

So the USA is pushing the world towards WW3, why?.

Leadership so astoundingly incompetent that it might as well be intentionally trying to get us all killed.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Maybe, but if Russia's goals turn out to be forced recognization of breakaway states, I can definitely see that getting sanctions lifted faster than Defacto annexing most of a country. Russia obviously cares about its economy and with the The West going so anti-Russia it's threatening to commit economic suicide just so Russia dies that bit faster I can see them making a backdoor deal so to speak.

The West is so schizoid on this topic, to the point of majorities supporting measures that amount to WW3, that I doubt Russia ceding territories will make people calm down. People willing to sink their economies to fuck over the Russians aren't going to change their minds over this and the Crimean sanctions were never reversed. From a game theory standpoint so long as they can feasibly take more, the Russians have nothing to lose sanctions-wise from doing so. The only way settling in this way makes sense is if broader war successes aren't possible anymore and it's best to cut the best deal available and bail.

Melitopol and Mariupol maybe, but I don't see them wanting to retain Kherson.

They've already appointed a Russian mayor and gone for a debt holiday and tax break while putting through Russian TV, so it's either an influence operation or, more likely, they mean to stay.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Leadership so astoundingly incompetent that it might as well be intentionally trying to get us all killed.

Oh c'mon we all know these senile geriatric boomer assholes don't have to live with the consequences of their actions.

 

[Strix454]

So the USA is pushing the world towards WW3, why?.

Because the Neocons in the US have seen war with Russia and China is not only desirable, but inevitable. They (and the people on the left who share their views) see the role of the United States to bring "freedom" to the whole world. And that any country that stands in the way of the mission of the US must inevitably fall to the power of the United States like the Soviet Union did at the end of the cold war.
They literally want to will the end of history. They are also incredibly influential if insane.

 

[mr.moon1488]

This one will probably be a nasty stickler. As some others pointed out, while geopolitically it makes sense, it also sets Ukraine at the mercy of Russia.

Although maybe they can get a third party to enforce neutrality like how the UK once guaranteed Belgium.

From a pacifist perspective, the most ideal solution would be to have all the Eastern European nations form a union of their own which would have mutual exclusivity laws with NATO, the EU, or any Russian alliances. This would basically block the west and east from having any real contact with each other. Economically, it would also be great for Eastern Europe because they'd be the middlemen in all east and west trade, which would essentially be free money. This is obviously not going to happen though.