Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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Russian competitors must be celebrating their large international rivals fucking off.

You just need to look at Cuba for an example of a nation entirely walled off that has very similar products to the west that keep the money internal to the country. You can can a coke, fanta and sprite clone in Cuba that is very very close to what we have but made and distributed by a Cuban company. If Coke moved into that market then the Cuban company would probably fail because Coke could make a loss on everything until the point they own the market.
it is also important to keep in mind that russia can potentially be self-sufficient on almost everything. i don't think there is any resource that russia can not mine or produce domestically. an autarky-focussed russia would probably be poorer than it is now, but it would function, unlike a lot of european nations which would straight up collapse because they just lack access to a lot of resources (notably crude oil) completely.

>he thinks there's going to be a trial
if they manage to take him alive they will 100% stage a nuremberg style show trial for propaganda purposes before executing him
 
The pro-Russian bent is quite unmistakable, but it is interesting to see what passes for propaganda there.

We'll see whose version is closer to the truth in two weeks.
Well, if it is propaganda it is a lot more believable and well reasoned than what the West and Ukraine is putting out.
Listening to them, the Ukrainian army is winning and causing the Russians bigger casualties than what the allies had in the landing in Normandy.

Just looking at how their militaries compare in numbers, tech and equipment, Ukraine has no chance in hell.
And even if they were comparable on land, Russia having air superiority alone would win them the war.

I would be more open to Ukrainian sources and western assessments if they weren't so completely absurd.
 
I have these people in my family. The older generations perceive what happened after the fall of the socialist regime quite negatively – revolution brought lot of instability they weren't used to, and of course shit ton of corruption and stealing of former government property. I don't blame them, but I don't share their optimism. I wish we could grow a spine and stopped looking for others to help us, but that's never gonna happen.
In Western Europe is mostly boomers (and their kids or even grandkids) that miss the 80s and the good old days and hope that having a strong, aggressive leader will save the day.
Which, again, emotionally I can understand but sadly it’s just not how things work. But they simply can’t or won’t understand how complex the situation is and so derail into this weird nostalgia that mixes feral capitalism, vintage fascism and soviet communism.
It would be funny if it was wasn’t concerning.
 
I didnt actually expect them to start canceling long gone Russian composers. What is next, canceling the Soviet Union from WW2 history?

It will be peak clownworld if YouTube and music sites start taking down Russian composer's music.
Why are the bongs salivating at the prospect of dragging everyone into yet another world war?
Because the eternal Anglo always needs blood.
Assuming this is Google maps, like 2019. The U.S. federal government officially started recognizing it as "Kyiv" around then.
I actually don't mind if they want to change the name, but it is fucking annoying when people who can't locate Ukraine on a map 'correct' you.
Anytime I get into a debate with a coworker over this Ukraine shit I will pull up an unlabeled map of Europe and ask them first to point to where Kosovo is (because we all know some shit will start there and the narrative will suddenly shift to those innocent kosovars and brutish Serbs) then ask them to point to Ukraine. If they get both of those wrong the conversation isn't worth having.
 
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Anytime I get into a debate with a coworker over this Ukraine shit I will pull up an unlabeled map of Europe and ask them first to point to where Kosovo is (because we all know some shit will start there and the narrative will suddenly shift to those innocent kosovars and brutish Serbs) then ask them to point to Ukraine. If they get both of those wrong the conversation isn't worth having.
Do they get a point if they just sort of hover of the general balkan area? asking for a friend
 
Eh... Like, North Korea level poorer?
Unlikely. Unlike Norks, Russia has land and resources aplenty and the technological base of the former USSR. Sure most of it is long outdated, but it still works.

Think... Cuba or Iran level, really.

EDIT: not to mention, Russia has a neighbour where it can ... ahem, acquire technology, should it so inclined to do so. Silly gaijins handing over their manufacturing base for people to copy.
 
it is also important to keep in mind that russia can potentially be self-sufficient on almost everything. i don't think there is any resource that russia can not mine or produce domestically. an autarky-focussed russia would probably be poorer than it is now, but it would function, unlike a lot of european nations which would straight up collapse because they just lack access to a lot of resources (notably crude oil) completely.


if they manage to take him alive they will 100% stage a nuremberg style show trial for propaganda purposes before executing him
The ADL was started to protect a pedo-killer jew and to frame a black janitor for the murder of Mary Phagan. You think these people will allow a trial of a Jewish president? They will nuke the entire world before they allow that to happen.
 
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So you've not really done any research on the topic, you don't actually know anything about what's going on, but you choose to believe that the Russian Army is actively targeting civilians, unless someone else proves otherwise to you?

I think that's indicative of an obvious mental bias if nothing else.


Fuel burning in a combustion chamber doesn't detonate, there should be a smooth flame front moving from the center outwards. If you're seeing detonation and shockwaves, you're seeing knock, which again, octane is there to prevent.

Not that there's much to "shake loose" in any engine made after about 1980 that isn't eating a quart of oil every 800 miles thru weeping valve guides and worn rings. Putting a tank of Super into the car will do less as a service technique than the "italian tuneup" of ripping it up to redline from stoplight to stoplight for a few hours.

TL;DR nothing you said makes sense sorry for poking holes in your post
The Russian Army is actively targeting civilians, but:
1. Zelensky widened the definition of combatant by arming random people.
2. The US has a long list of times it targeted civilians in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, and the Gulf War. Plenty of undeclared/proxy wars too. The western media downplays US atrocities, but non-aligned countries will laugh when Biden says Putin is targeting civilians. It takes a long time to be forgiven. The total number of dead civilians doesn't matter. Putin could kill ten thousand civilians and diplomats will bring up My Lai and the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia if the US complained at the UN or a peace talk. In order to really not have atrocities, you have to be like Switzerland. Not only can you not use your military; you must not be part of an alliance like NATO.
 
In Western Europe is mostly boomers (and their kids or even grandkids) that miss the 80s and the good old days and hope that having a strong, aggressive leader will save the day.
Which, again, emotionally I can understand but sadly it’s just not how things work. But they simply can’t or won’t understand how complex the situation is and so derail into this weird nostalgia that mixes feral capitalism, vintage fascism and soviet communism.
It would be funny if it was wasn’t concerning.
They'll start to understand once the "asian children" no-go zones get too close to their own house/apartment. By then it is far too late, it's probably too late already. When are they going home, I wonder? The Afghan and Iraq wars are over now.
 
5; Again, if nothing else, it's been one hell of a entertaining couple weeks. Reckon they're holding back their good lads, tanks and planes or do you see them continuing to slog it out with these twenty-plus year old relics they're fighting with?
We've seen enough T-90s to know that they're not holding them back, they just have a lot less of them than expected. The Armata is still in trials. The Russians did a big restructuring after Chechnya, I believe, and this is their first time fighting a real war with it, so even if it's not incompetence, it's growing pains.

As for the air force, Well, let's do some math. Russia has a lot of border to defend, and they can't afford to completely drop their guard along the Arctic, especially with the heightened nuclear tension these days. Let's be generous and say that Russia pulled 50% of their claimed 1000 operational combat aircraft for operations in Ukraine. Now let's assume that maintenance for the air force has been just as shoddy as it is in the army. The World Directory of Modern Military Aricraft considers 80% to be an "excellent" standard of readiness, so let's start there, but say that another 5% turn out to be unsafe to fly when somebody actually gives them a real look-over because oh, shit, we actually have to send someone up in it. Now you've gone from 500 planes to 380, and that's before anything has even gotten of the ground to move to the staging zone.On the flight over to the border, let's say that 1% of these aircraft turn out to actually have serious problems, and be grounded upon arrival. Then they conduct training missions while waiting for the Go from on high, and let's assume they come out of that with a pretty good 95% of their aircraft ready and raring to go.

Now we have 357 aircraft conducting operations on D-Day, 36% of the supposed Russian strength. After that, we tack on combat losses. These are going to be impossible to nail down, but there are two big factors that make this look potentially bad for the Russians. Firstly, the Ukrainians' mobile AA systems are still combat effective, if significantly reduced, and with the Russians appearing to run low on guided munitions, any attempt to hit something smaller than a city will require the plane to fly low enough to be attacked by man-portable AA weapons. Once again, let's play it safe and call it 20 aircraft downed, written off, or grounded due to damage. Now of the 337 aircraft that made it this far, how many of them are having the equivalent of sun-baked tire syndrome after the first several days of round-the-clock action? Oh, and by the way, Poland has nearly 100 combat aircraft of their own and nothing better to do with them than go "fuck your NATO, I'm going in".

And that's why the Russian air force isn't showing up a whole lot these days.
 
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Eh... Like, North Korea level poorer?
i dont think so, no. i'd imagine something closer to 80s soviet union level poor, but actually better than that cause even in russia technology hasn't slept for the past 40 years. but this is all hypothetical speculation that i am pulling out of my ass anyway, my point is just that russia in principle can survive on its own without outside trade, an ability that most western countries except the USA do not have.
 
They'll start to understand once the "asian children" no-go zones get too close to their own house/apartment. By then it is far too late, it's probably too late already. When are they going home, I wonder? The Afghan and Iraq wars are over now.
Sadly being surrounded by “enriching minorities” contributed to make them what they are. As you said, they understood too late due to decades of brainwashing and low quality schools.
Very sad overall but seems to be the same basically all over the world now.
 
When the sentiment changes, they'll just start to believe they were against the mob mentality from the start and heroically stood up for Russians and their rights.

The great thing about having no principles is that you can retroactively decide you were in the right on every single event and never have to learn anything.
The way things are going there won't be any Russians to believe they stood up for. Illegal and immoral seizure of Russian private individual's assets, including now Roman Abramovich (Owner of the Chelsea Football Club) who has been opposed to the war, is either going to end in Russians pulling out of the west entirely or something much more violent.


 
No, he instructed his agent to break contracts with Russian publishers.
And so creates the funny situation regarding distribution networks: Items (for the most part*) aren't simply imported and put in a store the day that someone decides to purchase something, there's a decent chance that there's already 3+ months of Stephen King books already in the country that have been accounted for and simply need sold, much like how all that Russian vodka/beer has been accounted for and is just sitting in a bar basement until it all blows over. The only people who suffer from boycotts are the people removing stock they own off the shelves, the small barmen who simply don't want their bars trashed by protesters for no fucking reason, the local owners of a store in a franchised business that have been issued commands from way above them to not sell something etc.

I am absolutely convinced that the bulk of the hate will have blown over by January 1st 2023 and you'll have your Russian beers and vodkas back on sale again and the blue and yellow fuckers will have moved on and won't say anything. I know a few barmen who have been carefully watching the expiry dates of Baltika and while it's probably pushing it, they know it's getting drunk one way or another (it's actually a pretty decent beer). I do look forward to seeing Stephen King renegotiating with Russian publishers in the future only to be told to fuck off, there's absolutely going to be a lot of fallout from people who publicly cut off distribution deals as opposed to those who have quietly cut them (because their government has basically barred trade with Russia) and once the shitstorm of the rouble levels out I'm going to enjoy the whining.

*to PL a little, Marks and Spencer is a UK food court/mini supermarket that specialises in high end products, they opened a store in Paris and sold fresh sandwiches that were made that very day or the day before in the UK and imported over to Paris. It's one of the most retarded distribution decisions I have ever heard of in my entire life and as a result, their Paris store was an absolute fucking money sink.
 
Can anyone give me a rundown or article or video or soemthing on what Nuland and the State Department were even up to in Ukraine after 2014? I only know the basics of her trying to get a pro-US person in charge and wanting to sideline Europe, and that she is a neocon warmonger married to a neocon warmonger never Trumper. How did she get the job in the first place, is her being a Ukrainian Jew the main reason?

Correct me if I am wrong but don't a large portion of Russian speakers in Ukraine have either dual citizenship or residencies with Russia? Not exactly a good move but retards will defend it because they think Ukraine is 101% ethnic Ukrainian.
Another of that guys tweet calls the Z on the cars a fascist symbol, has the media decided that is what it is now?
 
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