Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%

  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%
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Borscht said:
Yeah, this proposal surfaced a few days ago. The blue check mark is generally correct, although he omits several crucial details like 3-month grace period for the companies to resume their normal functioning.

Putin sez:

"We are not closing our doors to anyone. We are willing to work with all of our partners that seek cooperation, which is why the rights of those foreign investors and colleagues who stay in Russia and remain working in Russia must be securely protected. I ask the government to bear this in mind. Those who want to close their production lines - we must act decisively to prevent any and all damage to the local Russian suppliers of parts or materials. Just like the deputy minister offered, in such cases an outside management should be implemented and the company passed on to those who ARE willing to work. We have enough legal and market tools to prevent tyranny, we will find a legal solution to this issue".
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Sounds based, give the optics-obsessed companies SOME form of ultimatum, though they're obviously gonna wait until the last day to announce a resumption of trading.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
The key is to completely blockade Kiev and then simply wait. Once people click that they'll have to start rationing out what they have and there's no way of knowing how long it has to last then you'll see how degenerate Slavs can be. They've already executed their neighbours for "looting", imagine what they'll do to those who they believe have a decent stash of food?
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i wouldn't be so sure about kiev capitulating immediately once surrounded. leningrad held for over 2 years against the german forces besieging the city, and that army was probably a lot more ruthless and brutal than the current russian army is. also, a more recent example, sarajevo in bosnia held out against besieging serb forces for almost 4 (!) years.

we can't really tell how things are going to play out in advance, but expecting kiev to just roll over and die for free once the russian lines close around the city is a bit optimistic i think.
 
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Borscht said:
Yeah, this proposal surfaced a few days ago. The blue check mark is generally correct, although he omits several crucial details like 3-month grace period for the companies to resume their normal functioning.

Putin sez:

"We are not closing our doors to anyone. We are willing to work with all of our partners that seek cooperation, which is why the rights of those foreign investors and colleagues who stay in Russia and remain working in Russia must be securely protected. I ask the government to bear this in mind. Those who want to close their production lines - we must act decisively to prevent any and all damage to the local Russian suppliers of parts or materials. Just like the deputy minister offered, in such cases an outside management should be implemented and the company passed on to those who ARE willing to work. We have enough legal and market tools to prevent tyranny, we will find a legal solution to this issue".
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Thanks for that. The 3 month grace period pretty much sounds like an ultimatum which I assume would mean "we absolutely will seize your shit and sell it off if you don't return to operation."
Retired Junta Member said:
The madlad is doing it.
If it works, they could potentially lead to changes in the European delocalisation urge.
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lol the biggest potential snowballing effect would come from whether or not the US keeps antagonizing China over sanctions. Let's say for instance the US sanctioned China and they turned around and said "we're just going to do what Russia did, fuck you." You'd be talking about companies like Apple going belly up overnight because all of their real assets are in China.
 
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Welsh Catgirl Enjoyer said:
It might just be me, but I wonder how many of the woke individuals will look back on what they're saying now fondly. Some of it is definitely starting to seem less like being opposed to Russia based on their current actions, and more like blatant racism in places.

I can get why payment processors are dropping Russia. I can even get the collateral damage that's going to have (a lot Russians who don't support the invasion are inevitably suffer as they're blacklisted from everything because their government decided to be retarded for a bit). But it seems to me that perhaps it's going a step too far in cases where something right now is getting cancelled if it is or has ever had any connection to any russian person ever.

I think a lot of them have gotten swept up in the wave of current events and pointed their hate not just towards Russia as a government and state, but towards Russians as an ethnicity. We'll see how that ages.
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De-banking is the most idiotic decision the collective West has made. As a Russian, now I can only pay for my VPN/VPS with crypto (and not all of them even accept crypto), stolen credit card that I bought on darknet with crypto, or a middleman who i must entrust with my credentials and crypto. And if I don't have VPN/VPS, I can't access most of globohomo (or even neutral) news outlets, so I'll only feed on information propaganda that my government provides. Not the best way to rile the population up against Putin, if you ask me.
I see a lot of NPCs on Twitter who think that private companies leaving will somehow lead people to overthrow the government. I've extensively studied history of revolutions and uprisings, successful and not, I've read works by Lenin, Trotsky, various guerrilleros, even fucking SIEGE.
Revolt starts with the Organization.
  • The Organization provides support structure for revolutionaries, both material and informational. Let's say we're at peaceful stage and are organizing a protest. In modern Russia this can easily get you arrested, your electronics confiscated, your house searched. If you're a known shit stirrer, pigs will try to arrest you preemptively so you're gonna need safehouse. If you're under arrest, you cant work and earn money. If your electronics are confiscated, you're gonna need the replacement. If there's no Organization, it's all risk and no reward, therefore no protests.
  • The people who will be ready to kill and die for the cause tend not to have "good optics". Literally every revolution was fought by "fools, frauds and firebrands" and led by hideous people like Trotsky. Bleeding heart liberals that you're seeing on streets of Russian cities won't cut it. At best, they'll comprise "legal" parts of the Organization (various NCOs and support groups) or radicalize further. Legals are important for buliding the support structure, but without the Minecraft crew they're fucking toothless. Vice versa, Minecrafters alone would be ineffective without their legal counterparts.
    So, what does it mean for the West? If you want regime change, be ready to get your hands dirty by supporting literal psychopaths as well, not just dangerhair zoomer sheep.
  • It takes a lot of time and effort to build the Organization. You need to recruit a lot of brilliant minds to be ideologues, leaders and officers. Western fuckers have been ignoring thousands of radicals (skinheads, antifa, commies, various separatists, even lolberts) fleeing from Russia over last two decades. No protection, no resources, no media support. No retaliation for political prosecutions in Russia. These people were left alone, slowly assimilating and losing the flame that burned inside them. And now, when "the street" is sterilized, you expect someone to "rise up"? The only group that got some attention from the West was liberal democrats. And as the name suggests, these guys aren't good at revolting.
  • And now, to the best part. Let's assume the Organization(s) are formed organically. What makes you think they'll be aligned with the West? Last time when Russian Revolution was left to its own devices, fucking Bolsheviks have won. During late 90s, Western countries were helping Russia precisely to prevent communist or "red fascist" takeover. Same goes for coup d'etat by Russian elites. Yes, there's a chance that oligarchs would succeed, but what if the power falls into hands of military, secret police or regional elites?
    The general population is rapidly turning against the West. Of course, it's fueled by state propaganda, but also by West's behavior. Cutting the technological and cultural ties with Russian population won't make them turn on Putin, people will see the West have abandoned them and either fall into Putin's hands ("after all, all his talk about Russophobic West was true!") or will grow strong sense of resentment towards West and eventually install revanchist regime.
TL;DR It's delusional to think that people are going to rise up against Putin because of sanctions. And even if they do, the West is not gonna like the result.
 
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Sorry if this has been posted already.

Remember the story about the Era cryptophone system operating over 3G (aka UMTS) supposedly involved in General Valery Gerasimov's death? Emphasis mine:

“Era is a super expensive cryptophone system that [Russia’s defense ministry] introduced in 2021 with great fanfare. It guaranteed [to] work ‘in all conditions’.”

However, "the idiots tried to use the Era cryptophones in Kharkiv, after destroying many 3G cell towers and also replacing others with stingrays," Grozev continued. "Era needs 3G/4G to communicate.

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-mili...rs-destroy-3-g-internet-towers-104303881.html (archive)
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On another site we've tried (a Russian and me, barely reading Cyrillic) to find information about the ЭПА or ЕПА system. There's not a word on it anywhere. Not on Google, Yandex or VKontakte (in the latter case, there are Western media reposts by Ukrainians). So our retarded Western media doesn't bother to verify basic facts when it's convenient for them.

Obviously if you can refute my above statement, I'm all ears.

Edit: deboonked in https://kiwifarms.net/threads/russi...e-2022-thread-2.114104/page-152#post-11375241
 
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Using the Nukes on Japan was America's biggest mistake, crazy how Germany will be allowed to do this with no consequence. There's no way some random doctor in that hospital is going to refuse treatment to a bleeding person who happens to have Russian citizenship, it's insane and has to be against the hippocratic oath.
 
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Octavia said:
Using the Nukes on Japan was America's biggest mistake, crazy how Germany will be allowed to do this with no consequence. There's no way some random doctor in that hospital is going to refuse treatment to a bleeding person who happens to have Russian citizenship, it's insane and has to be against the hippocratic oath.
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It’s also extremely suspicious since even Isis fuckers get treated.
 
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