Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[SneedEyeMitch]

Ukraine has more in common with South American countries forging their own independence and national identity than they do with the Irish, the Irish existed as a group long before the Norman, English, and then British even existed. The Irish were raiding and enslaving the Romans, just ask Patrick.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

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the comments are incredible. twitter flipping out on biden like he has canceled the next avengers movie they were promised.

Based Dementia Patient. McFaul, Graham and Ponomarenko on suicide watch.

 

[3-2-1836]

Ukrainians shouldn't have changed the writing and pronunciation of their cities' names. Instead of Kiev, Kharkov, Chuguiv, Hulaipole, it looks and sounds like Хуев, (На)Харкив, Чухуев, Хуйляполе.

The fact Г = h in Ukrainian triggers me.

Also why the fuck is their Э backwards?

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

So, turns out the TU-141 drone that crashed in Zagreb, Croatia a couple days ago had hastily scratched off Ukrainian markings on it. The piece of wreckage still has some blue and yellow on the tail fin, where the Ukrainian crest should be. But what really makes me think, is how this thing got across a bit of Romania, and all of Hungary, and through all of NATO's air patrols and AWACS, and hit within 100 meters of a student dorm and apartment building, and nobody did shit about it.

Source for the images

 

[Hell on Earth]

Which then leads to the Ukraine shouldn't have tried to join NATO statement that all the Putin lovers toss around. If NATO hadn't expanded this would never have happened! Those damned Ukranians should know their place.

Yet Russia just showed why all these Eastern European countries want to join NATO in the first place. Look at the difference between Putin's reactions to shit, vs Yeltsin or even Medvedev. Only one of the three chimped out every time one of his old friends joined the cool kids club.

It's why I hate the disingenuous argument of "What if Mexico had a biolab run by the Chinese? Or what if they wanted a security agreement with China?" if the US let relations with Mexico worsen to that degree that they were joining an protective military alliance... that would be on the US at least as much as it would be on Mexico or China, and likely more. Just like Russia has a fuck ton to do with why most of Eastern Europe specifically their former colonies hates them.

The important question is not "why" they want to join NATO but if they "should" join NATO.

You cannot change the Kremlin's paranoid way of thinking, you'll just hit a brick wall, a wall with nuclear weapons.

Taking into account the geopolitical realities is one of the main components of continuing this game of political chess.

You just cannot abruptly finish the game by saying "I win" (like saying that Georgia and Ukraine will be included in NATO) without the other side cocking it's pistol ready to fire at any moment while you are also preparing your gun for that innevitable outcome.

It will just end up with both players dead.

The problem with both players right now is that one is fanatical (the west) and the other player is paranoid and full with desires of vengeance (Russia and China).

And the ones that will be most affected will be the civilians and civilization as a whole.

 

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

Is anyone under the illusion here that the entire eastern european-sphere isn't almost completely made up by US/EU puppets? Literally everyone who lives or has ever lived in those regions will tell you that much. Zelenskyy, for all the lionising people have done to him, he 100% is a puppet, a corrupt puppet at that (though that's hardly unique to him) and i agree that the most likely reason he hasn't folded yet is because someone, somewhere told him to hunker down because he'd be getting back-up soon (assuming he hasn't fled to Poland yet which i tend to believe he did somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd day.)

Whatever dumb fuck excuse the Russians make up, be it a region being ethnically russian or biolabs it always comes around to Russia being denied a sphere of influence and european puppets. Same thing happened when italy and gemany were being denied colonies, and now we are seeing the scummier, under handed version of that. Sure they have Belarus which is a shithole, and they have Serbia which is a shithole frozen among NATO nations, but that's it really it.

I am anti-slavic though and i see them as an invasive species that should go back to the steppes they came from so i may be a tiny bit bias.

 

[Übertroon]

The fact Г = h in Ukrainian triggers me.

Also why the fuck is their Э backwards?

I'm going to be honest with you, Russian or Ukrainian, it all just looks like gobbledygook

 

[3-2-1836]

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the comments are incredible. twitter flipping out on biden like he has canceled the next avengers movie they were promised.

I was wondering why Russia is suddenly trying to declare Kherson independent of Ukraine.

Now I know why.

 

[Dave_Ph]

I found it hilarious Ameritards are saying the Ukrainian doesn't have the right to fight for their nation and country, especially when its invaded by an enemy. You people love talking about how you fought the Brits for your freedom, and now you're saying other nations don't have the right to do the same? You burgers are hilarious

No one is saying you can't fight for yourselves.
Its the constant whinning about how everyone else should do it for you that's old

Okay @Socrates, I'm ready to internet tough guy fight you if I have to but I'm publicly saying I'm going to mass ban a bunch of retards. The stupid in this thread is too damn high.

 

[doesnotglow]

I'm no longer willing to entertain the American perspective on this conflict.

When the CIA copies their own homework on chemical weapons/biological weapons/WMDs I will not trust them.

 

[Titos]

The fact Г = h in Ukrainian triggers me.

Also why the fuck is their Э backwards?

Cyrillic is just retarded roman alphabet with a bunch of shit backwards and some idiotic characters anyways. Can you really have something backwards when it shouldn't exist in the first place? Its entire existence is backwards.

 

[Narcotics]

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the comments are incredible. twitter flipping out on biden like he has canceled the next avengers movie they were promised.

I fucking love nuclear war.
I want to destroy the world to own pootin.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Cyrillic is just retarded roman alphabet with a bunch of shit backwards and some idiotic characters anyways. Can you really have something backwards when it shouldn't exist in the first place? Its entire existence is backwards.

You're just jealous you have to spend anywhere from two to four letters to write ч and ш.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter]

I found it hilarious Ameritards are saying the Ukrainian doesn't have the right to fight for their nation and country, especially when its invaded by an enemy. You people love talking about how you fought the Brits for your freedom, and now you're saying other nations don't have the right to do the same? You burgers are hilarious

They have a right to fight, but if they die, they die. I'll shed no tears for them.

An awful lot of Americans wouldn't lift a finger to protect their own country during the BLM/Antifa riots. You expect any sort of sense to come from those people?

My part of the country wasn't affected by niggers and commies chimping out. You have to choose your battles. Ask Kyle Rittenhouse about how going up against the Dem's brownshirts in Dem territory works out (hint, you get charged with murder in a clear case of self-defense).

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Because Russia was founded in part by sperging. They sperged so hard about paying taxes to the Khan you'd think they were jews. Seeing how slavs act in general and how most jews have names ending in either -berg, -stein, -witz, or -sky I hold my position that the Mongols would be better rulers of the lands slavs inhabit and should have just burned all of the slavs alive.

All I see on Telegram are east euros and russians just screeching incoherently at one another.

It's even in my spam folder.

You're just jealous you have to spend anywhere from two to four letters to write ч and ш.

Reject moveable type. Embrace traditional Chinese.

 

[H. Bergeron]

There are Tatars there still, all those years after Stalin, but less with Russian control. However, the biggest losers were the Pontic Greeks who seem to have been mostly expelled by Stalin, and I doubt the vestigial survivors in Crimea and the coastline will stick the presence nonsense. Greece isn't perfect, but less bombs, armed looters, discrimination and war in general.

Sure, there are still Tartars, just 140,000 less of them who were either expelled or ran. Not even talking about the Ukranians who had to dip the fuck out, while Russia moved in 240,000 new people as they always do. 1/4 of Crimea's economy was tourism... that's fucking gone. Only reason the place hasn't gone to complete shit is that Russia threw 10 billion dollars at them to avoid it burning to the fucking ground.

 

[Delicious Diversity]

By having its whole identity hinge on being anti-Russia I mean the Ukrainian government, irrespective of the people who I'd say were neutral to positive on Russia in 2014, lukewarm to negative before the invasion and now negative for at least a generation. The purpose of the Ukrainian government, in the words of Adam Schiff, Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Victoria Nuland and so on is to fight Russia 'over there'.

No one except the Ukrainians cares about the Ukrainian economy. Putin is not scared of the potential of a backward shithole that hasn't moved positively in 8 years and makes even Russia look like Singapore, but by the military and it's the same thing the US cares about. 40 million people present a meaningful demography that an army can be built out of to border Russia, something that isn't the case for any other state bordering Russia right now. Crimea is the only warm water port Russia has and the only one with access to the Black Sea. It already went without water for 8 years after Ukraine dammed it in. A Ukrainian army, which as I was wrong about isn't actually a pushover, would eventually move to take down the separatist regions and Crimea and so seriously weaken Russia while penning it in to being unable to act even in its near abroad.

The Ukrainian government is elected, so it's the government the people of Ukraine want. So I don't see how you can completely overlook the opinions of the people there. Also no shit the Ukrainian government is hostile to Russia, they annexed Crimea and sent weapons and combat troops to separatist regions in their country. You're acting like Ukraine is chimping out over fishing rights or something, lol.

I understand Crimea is strategically important to Russia, and I accept that Ukraine is probably at some point going to have to accept the loss of it as well as the DPR and LPR. But I don't blame them being afraid of Russia and fighting tooth and nail to resist the occupation of their country.

Prior to 1900, barely a blip. WWI/Russian Civil War, brief sparks. Interwar, developed strongly in response to Soviet atrocities, but was suppressed.

Post 2014, developed strongly by Western interests, focused on blaming the Russians for Soviet atrocities (despite the fact both Russia and Ukraine were strong parties in favour of Soviet atrocities against other, annexed territories)

I disagree, it can be traced back at least as far as the Cossack Hetmanate that existed in the 17th and 18th centuries, and the autonomous Zaporozhian Cossack communities resisting Polish-Lithuanian rule before it. Perhaps even back to the Kingdom of Ruthenia from the 12th-14th centuries.

 

[DumbDude42]

The UK has the capability of destroying Ireland several times over. What they lack is political will and the lack of benefit from going full Russian retard.
During the Irish War of Independence the UK deployed a a 38k garrison, half of them being irish. They suffered 900 dead soldiers and police officers, and the Irish Republic never held a single piece of territory.
The UK left because the population and politicians agreed that it was a senseless loss of life and money being spent on oppressing a people that was clearly never going to fully accept english rule.
Russia is going full retard because to them the loss of prestige in not controlling Kiev is a greater loss than losing an entire generation of young men and bankrupting themselves just to control one of the poorest nations in Europe.

I absolutely do believe that Britain has enough military power to annex Ireland but it'd be an incredibly long and bloody fight that would lead to the same sort of global sanctions against Britain (that Russia have been given) that would make it completely stupid to even attempt by tanking the pound and raising the threat level to a point where it'd induce a complete social breakdown.

In fact I see Ireland and Britain remaining apart forever because of how strategically important having a trade window to the EU right on their doorstep. Not everything needs to be resolved by map painting.

"the power to take AND HOLD ireland" doesnt just mean the ability to beat the irish army, it also means the ability to occupy and/or annex the conquered territory, keep it from erupting in insurgency, and handle the international political fallout such a move would bring. and to do all that, the UK definitely does NOT have enough power.

 

[The Ugly One]

Because Russia was founded in part by sperging. They sperged so hard about paying taxes to the Khan you'd think they were jews. Seeing how slavs act in general and how most jews have names ending in either -berg, -stein, -witz, or -sky I hold my position that the Mongols would be better rulers of the lands slavs inhabit and should have just burned all of the slavs alive.

The Mongols might be the single most incompetent group of imperial administrators of all time. And that's saying a lot, because the Arabs managed to turn the breadbasket of the Mediterranean into a desert.

 

[H. Bergeron]

The Ukrainian government is elected, so it's the government the people of Ukraine want. So I don't see how you can completely overlook the opinions of the people there. Also no shit the Ukrainian government is hostile to Russia, they annexed Crimea and sent weapons and combat troops to separatist regions in their country. You're acting like Ukraine is chimping out over fishing rights or something, lol.

Let's not forget Putin sanctioning Ukraine for even thinking about a trade deal with the EU. Even Yanukovich new where the desires of the population of Ukraine were... then he basically folded when Putin gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. He got bought off, and didn't find himself drinking polonium, so it was a win for him. Until the riots started, he killed 100 people, and the riots got worse.