Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[H. Bergeron]

Yeah nothing about the drill nato and Ukraine just ran about retaking donbass? No reason to think at all.

Drill about retaking Donbass? Are you serious? If Putin was scared about a 6000 person drill, Ukraine should have been terrified about 200,000 person wargames taking place in Belarus around the same time.

 

[FamicomGorby]

lol idk about the other info but the twitter expert he shows a screencap of
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has a lolcow thread here. he is a deranged sci-fi author from wisconsin who larps as an expert on every topic. youtuber should take his own advice and check sources.

So just googling "Russian GPS" brought me to this cancer website that I think is the source, except it was posted last year in a story about Russian pilots in Syria.

 

[Strix454]

All of you retards thinking the west, or the world rather could fight a nuclear war and come out more or less unscathed please do us all a favor and drink some fucking bleach.

Democrat and neocon NPC's thirsting for blood with their leadership being reticent to get more directly involved reminds me of reading about the Red Guards becoming out of control much to the chagrin of Mao during the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

Good point. Where it eventually went to was that everyone kind of went crazy and China went to the absolute brink of all-out war with the Soviet Union. Chinese troops were raiding across the border and it got so out of control that Mao was terrified to his senses. Lots of what happened is still really unclear. One of the great mysteries of modern China is all the stuff around the deal of Marshall Lin Biao in 1971.

 

[Aidan]

I've been wondering what's going to happen when this war finally ends. Presumably Ukraine (if it still exists) and Russia will make some kind of terms and officially close the book on the hostilities that began in 2014. So what does the US do then? Try to normalize relations, or turn into some weird Lost Cause Slava Ukraini LARP pushing territorial claims even the Ukies themselves have ceded?

I am wondering the same. If Ukraine is split then I wouldn't be surprised if the US and EU just make things worse (again) by working to rapidly fortify nUkraine and instituting longterm plans to reel them into NATO and/or the EU. #neveragain

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Putin had zero reason to believe that the Ukraine would attack or that NATO would fucking invade at any point.

Wrong. Hilariously wrong.
When your enemy is massing on your border and is clearly receiving munitions and training from a hostile nation state, you might attack preemptively.
Putin is looking at the long term, big picture, not just a few immediate, petty border squabbles.
He knows damn well that the US/Globalists are trying to bring Russia under the yoke, and he is fighting back.

what are these three places in the middle of nowhere that get targeted so hard? big army bases or something?
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Air bases/ICBM silos.

 

[Maurice Caine]

Hitler is the devil of our secular liberal religion. The name or the specifics is no longer important. He is important as a sort of religious symbol whose name can be invoked to summon the cattle to do things. Every enemy in every war from now to the end of time is going to be "the new Hitler". They are always going to be accused of planning to both conquer the entire world and open new death camps were they will kill exactly six million people again.

New Hitler always comes to power by hypnotizing all the good people of his country into doing evil and then destroying "liberal democracy".

Immediate war is the ONLY choice in dealing with New Hitler because if everyone had just attacked Germany as soon as Hitler emerged, he would have been defeated.

You can't make deals with New Hitler because that is "appeasement" and it leads to Paris falling or something.

You can't negotiate a deal with new Hitler because that is a "Munich".

You must always prepare for war in times of peace because there is no knowing when New Hitler will reappear.

New Hitler always has conspiratorial followers in every other country and under every bed. That is why censorship is totally necessary to defeat the enemy within.

Morality in a war with new Hitler is nonsense. Unless he is stopped, new Hitler is going to open death camps and kill everyone. If we had to kill <insert here> number of civilians or use normally terrible weapons like <insert here>, its totally necessary because PUNCH NAZIs. Expressing hate toward entire ethnic groups is normally not cool. But if New Hitler appears, its what everyone should be be proud to do.

After the victory in the war, the next step is always "denazification". Because "denazification" worked in 1945. You send in troops, you open education programs and magically New England town hall democracy appears. And what worked in 1945 in Germany is certain to work in 2004 in a place like Iraq. Because people are all cattle.

The conditioning on this stuff is so fundamental to the education systems across the west that it acts as a deep implicit psychological trigger in at least 75% of the population. You tag a person as "new Hitler" and its all on autopilot from there.

I feel fucked up because everything you wrote here is true. They're trying to apply Twitter-style mob 'justice' to politics and what the fuck? Why?

 

[FamicomGorby]

I've been wondering what's going to happen when this war finally ends. Presumably Ukraine (if it still exists) and Russia will make some kind of terms and officially close the book on the hostilities that began in 2014. So what does the US do then? Try to normalize relations, or turn into some weird Lost Cause Slava Ukraini LARP pushing territorial claims even the Ukies themselves have ceded?

Presuming Russian victory I see Zelensky fleeing the country and setting up a government in exile. Whatever Ukrainian state Russia sets up won't be recognized by the western world, and presumably they'll just keep the sanctions in place until the Russian are back to driving Ladas, eating cabbage, and using good ole rubber product #2.

 

[H. Bergeron]

Wrong. Hilariously wrong.
When your enemy is massing on your border and is clearly receiving munitions and training from a hostile nation state, you might attack preemptively.
Putin is looking at the long term, big picture, not just a few immediate, petty border squabbles.
He knows damn well that the US/Globalists are trying to bring Russia under the yoke, and he is fighting back.


Air bases/ICBM silos.

Massing on your border? You mean Russia massing on the Ukraine border for months right? 6000 troops, I am sure Putin was pissing his pants.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Anyway, here's Peter Daszak, head of EcoHealth alliance, CIA stooge and bat virus aficionado, complimenting his opera singer brother John Daszak on his uniform.

https://twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/1502695702140497922

https://archive.ph/bfbbu

https://twitter.com/johndaszak/status/1502019140676169739

https://archive.ph/mpJeL

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I'm unironically rootin' for Putin, now. Fuck it.

Just…how easy is it to become pro Putin in this whole thing?

 

[DumbDude42]

Yes MOTHER FUCKER I DO! The Bay of Pigs was fucking exiles trained by the US, but sent on their fucking own to DIE because Cuba already knew the invasion was happening. They told the marines in Guantanomo to stay the fuck away and not provide support, and the only two planes that DID provide support had to disavow even being part of the United States before they did.

If you are talking 1898, then fuck off. Not the discussion we are having.

i think he's not referring to the meme invasion, but to the fact that the US
>set up a naval blockade around cuba
>threatened cuba with invasion if the missiles weren't removed
>threatened the soviets with a nuclear first strike if they tried to intervene militarily in the planned invasion
things were extremely fucking close to nucleear war, some US ship even dropped anti submarine bombs on a soviet sub in the area - that sub had nuclear weapons on board and its commander wanted to use them, but was overruled by his fleet commander. burgers were willing to start total nuclear war over the cuba situation, that's how serious this kind of thing is.

 

[Strix454]

I've been wondering what's going to happen when this war finally ends. Presumably Ukraine (if it still exists) and Russia will make some kind of terms and officially close the book on the hostilities that began in 2014. So what does the US do then? Try to normalize relations, or turn into some weird Lost Cause Slava Ukraini LARP pushing territorial claims even the Ukies themselves have ceded?

It depends on how it ends. If Putin creates a new slimmed-down Ukraine, The US probably starts the process all over again there. If there is no Ukraine left at all, the push is going to be for a new cold war style armed build up all along the NATO border and to push Sweden and Finland into NATO.
No what the outcome, they will NOT give up. The neocons are obsessed with the idea that war with Russia and China is inevitable. And through it, they will be able to bring about "the end of history". They are all completely insane. But they rule in Washington.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Presuming Russian victory I see Zelensky fleeing the country and setting up a government in exile. Whatever Ukrainian state Russia sets up won't be recognized by the western world, and presumably they'll just keep the sanctions in place until the Russian are back to driving Ladas, eating cabbage, and using good ole rubber product #2.

And yet these Russians and Ukrainians still on the country are cheered as chads that live a based lifestyle completely devoid of Western things

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

I've been wondering what's going to happen when this war finally ends. Presumably Ukraine (if it still exists) and Russia will make some kind of terms and officially close the book on the hostilities that began in 2014. So what does the US do then? Try to normalize relations, or turn into some weird Lost Cause Slava Ukraini LARP pushing territorial claims even the Ukies themselves have ceded?

Whatever the US does after the war's end, I guarantee it will be so retarded that nobody could reasonably foresee it.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

I just watched a video named "Did NATO Really "Betray" Russia?", and he makes the argument (timestamp is in the link) that nobody would feel sorry for the United States if China were to take control of Canada, people would just be laughing, and that we already know of what happens when a power close to the US becomes hostile: America sanctions them to death.

I think these are some pretty fair and reasonable points, honestly.

 

[Aidan]

Official Russian justification aside, I don't understand what's so hard to grasp about the Russian government's perspective on this issue.
It seems a lot of people think Russia just decided to invade Ukraine for free land with a made up casus belli or something. I know this will be misconstrued as pro-Russian posting but you've not been paying attention if you think Ukraine has been neutral and wasn't being kitted out to stand up to exactly what's happening.
This has been building up for over 10 years.

I don't know if the internal Russian justification is telling the West they're not going to put up with that or they really just wanted Ukraine all along and the window was closing for Russia to be capable of taking it due to Western arms, funding, and training. Maybe both.
Either way, the West has been devoting a lot of resources to bolstering Ukraine against Russia since at least Obama and obviously Putin hasn't been a fan.

 

[B_mizz]

Drill about retaking Donbass? Are you serious? If Putin was scared about a 6000 person drill, the Ukraine should have been terrified about 200,000 person wargames taking place in Belarus around the same time.

It was a multination drill. And based on what I've seen the Russians were very clear they were absolutely not going to accept nato on their southern border, whether officially or unofficially. Its not some esoteric conspiracy. Putin drew a line in the sand, Ukraine crossed it, now they get what they get.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

lol idk about the other info but the twitter expert he shows a screencap of
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has a lolcow thread here. he is a deranged sci-fi author from wisconsin who larps as an expert on every topic. youtuber should take his own advice and check sources.

Holy fuck, he's basing his information on tweets from Fatrick? Maybe Tommy Tooter was too busy to lend his military expertise

 

[Random Internet Person]

It depends on how it ends. If Putin creates a new slimmed-down Ukraine, The US probably starts the process all over again there. If there is no Ukraine left at all, the push is going to be for a new cold war style armed build up all along the NATO border and to push Sweden and Finland into NATO.
No what the outcome, they will NOT give up. The neocons are obsessed with the idea that war with Russia and China is inevitable. And through it, they will be able to bring about "the end of history". They are all completely insane. But they rule in Washington.

They think war with just Russia is inevitable. China is just their factory where they see record profits.

 

[Gender Fluids BLEVE]

what are these three places in the middle of nowhere that get targeted so hard? big army bases or something?
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The cluster in North Dakota would be where we have a bunch of missile silos. Montana I don't know well enough to answer, but probably something similar. The other one is NORAD and everything around it.

 

[Fake News Anchor]

Hitler is the devil of our secular liberal religion. The name or the specifics is no longer important. He is important as a sort of religious symbol whose name can be invoked to summon the cattle to do things. Every enemy in every war from now to the end of time is going to be "the new Hitler". They are always going to be accused of planning to both conquer the entire world and open new death camps were they will kill exactly six million people again.

New Hitler always comes to power by hypnotizing all the good people of his country into doing evil and then destroying "liberal democracy".

Immediate war is the ONLY choice in dealing with New Hitler because if everyone had just attacked Germany as soon as Hitler emerged, he would have been defeated.

You can't make deals with New Hitler because that is "appeasement" and it leads to Paris falling or something.

You can't negotiate a deal with new Hitler because that is a "Munich".

You must always prepare for war in times of peace because there is no knowing when New Hitler will reappear.

New Hitler always has conspiratorial followers in every other country and under every bed. That is why censorship is totally necessary to defeat the enemy within.

Morality in a war with new Hitler is nonsense. Unless he is stopped, new Hitler is going to open death camps and kill everyone. If we had to kill <insert here> number of civilians or use normally terrible weapons like <insert here>, its totally necessary because PUNCH NAZIs. Expressing hate toward entire ethnic groups is normally not cool. But if New Hitler appears, its what everyone should be be proud to do.

After the victory in the war, the next step is always "denazification". Because "denazification" worked in 1945. You send in troops, you open education programs and magically New England town hall democracy appears. And what worked in 1945 in Germany is certain to work in 2004 in a place like Iraq. Because people are all cattle.

The conditioning on this stuff is so fundamental to the education systems across the west that it acts as a deep implicit psychological trigger in at least 75% of the population. You tag a person as "new Hitler" and its all on autopilot from there.

I think "New Hitler" is actually a pretty good term to try to lampoon this line of thinking. Maybe something a bit more hyperbolic though, like "Super Hitler" or "Darth Hitler", just as a way to immediately frame their talking points as an unrealistic and childish. The libshits I know would probably feel embarrassed and super self conscious if every time we disagreed over *person they dislike* I just kept facetiously referring to them as "Darth Hitler" instead of "Putin" or "Trump".