YABookgate

[whitepumpkin]

"I walked away feeling like if only these characters had been queer-"

Stopped reading right there. It's cunts like these that make me adamant to only write heterosexual relationships and purchase books by "Dead White Men" like Tolkien. If you can't get through a story without bemoaning that no one's being a massive faggot, then the problem lies within you and you should probably swallow shards of glass in Minecraft.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

I vaguely remember a quote by some "literature person" who said that people shouldn't be so goddamn moralistic about even high-literature books - it was all shlock and entertainment. Everything.

Wanting diversity and massive social commentary in a Sanderson book is like wanting an alien invasion in a Cormac McCarthy book, it honestly is not the genre for that stuff, and you're SUPPOSED to go elsewhere for it. Complaining that Danielle Steele got the Hard Science wrong in some plot involving a plane crash. "McDonalds didin't have Nasi Goreng on the menu, one star!" bullshit.

As much as the people loudly claim pro-diversity in YA media, they go off and secretly read Flowers In The Attic or Brandon Sanderson.

Okay, but now I kind of want to see Cormac McCarthy do a book about an alien invasion. I feel like that would be an interesting read.

 

[frap]

Some Sanderson salt:

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What a salty bitch further proof that pronouns in the bio = opinions in the trash

edit: There was a blog post by Scalzi but I don't post stuff by irrelevant retards.

This cunt needs to put up or shut up.

Guess it’s quite the slap in the face when audience reality clashes with publishing diversity quotas.

I’ve read like one Sanderson book, but I’m on his mailing list. I got that email the other day that sent me to the YouTube video and then the kickstarter. It was already in the millions when I clicked over. I have no intention of joining but my only thoughts were ‘good for him’ and ‘this must be like a late Christmas gift for his die-hard fans’.

Jesus Christ, it’s Brandon Sanderson ffs, the guy who teaches creative writing for free and makes it all available for the rest of the world on YouTube while writing a tonne of books on a consistent schedule for years. He’s more than earned his fans.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

She can complain all she wants about wanting Sanderson to include queer characters or incorporate colonial themes, but if he did, she’d be first in line condemning him for attempting to do so since he’s a straight white male. She’s just mad that Sanderson has an audience and makes shit people want to read. I hope his campaign finishes at $100 million just so dumb bitches seethe that they will never be able to generate that much loyalty from fans, or even have fans in the first place

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

edit: There was a blog post by Scalzi but I don't post stuff by irrelevant retards.

It actually wasn't that bad until he had to throw in the stuff about white males playing the video game of life on the Easy setting. Probably because Brando Sando is subsidizing the $3million or whatever Tor paid to Scalzi by being an author who actually sells.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

Okay, but now I kind of want to see Cormac McCarthy do a book about an alien invasion. I feel like that would be an interesting read.

THE ROAD was a great future dystopia so yes, I have to agree!

I know literary authors doing SF can be cringy (like one recently who did a: "what if robots had.... wait for it.... FEELINGS" and thought he was the most original fucker on the planet for such a vaulting intellectual reach) but Cormac could really come at it from a suitably weird angle. He's as neurologically old as Methuselah right now though, so not sure if he will descend into a GRRM stasis-pattern for the remainder of his literary lifespan.

 

[JJLiautaud]

It actually wasn't that bad until he had to throw in the stuff about white males playing the video game of life on the Easy setting. Probably because Brando Sando is subsidizing the $3million or whatever Tor paid to Scalzi by being an author who actually sells.

Oh I didn't read it because Scalzi is, as I've said, an irrelevant retard. I just saw the easy mode comment screenshotted and his snide edit that it brought out all the usual suspects so he closed the comments or something.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Oh I didn't read it because Scalzi, is as I've said an irrelevant retard. I just saw the easy mode comment screenshotted and his snide edit that it brought out all the usual suspects so he closed the comments or something.

Funny how he and Vox Day are Brothers in Faggotry when it comes to being a pussy about comment sections.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

It actually wasn't that bad until he had to throw in the stuff about white males playing the video game of life on the Easy setting. Probably because Brando Sando is subsidizing the $3million or whatever Tor paid to Scalzi by being an author who actually sells.

Scalzi is one of those people who thinks he's more intelligent and creative than he is.

Pretty much any advice or criticism he has reality says the opposite.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

Scalzi is one of those people who thinks he's more intelligent and creative than he is.

Pretty much any advice or criticism he has reality says the opposite.

I think he KNOWS he has to Dance With Them That Brung Him - his deal with the devil who gave him his success as a mediocre White Man himself - because now every time he might say something positive about a white or non-degenerate person's success he is forced to temper it with the boilerplate caveat of "but obviously it was easy for them, so their success doesn't really count" otherwise he'll be publicly ass-raped by Woko Haram for blasphemy.

 

[Fictional Character]

THE ROAD was a great future dystopia so yes, I have to agree!

I know literary authors doing SF can be cringy (like one recently who did a: "what if robots had.... wait for it.... FEELINGS" and thought he was the most original fucker on the planet for such a vaulting intellectual reach) but Cormac could really come at it from a suitably weird angle. He's as neurologically old as Methuselah right now though, so not sure if he will descend into a GRRM stasis-pattern for the remainder of his literary lifespan.

That's incredibly cringy, since "What if robots had feelings?" is part of literally the first robot story ever made.
(And the answer is that it makes them human. It makes more sense when you take into account that robots were originally supposed to be made from a new organic chemical compound capable of life, but then every portrayal went with metal people because it was the industrial age.)

 

[Flexo]

Why y'all keep talking about me like I'm not even here?

 

[JJLiautaud]

Cow(?) Crossover event Larry Corriea is going to be on Nick Rekieta's show next week.

 

[Rezza]

That's incredibly cringy, since "What if robots had feelings?" is part of literally the first robot story ever made.
(And the answer is that it makes them human. It makes more sense when you take into account that robots were originally supposed to be made from a new organic chemical compound capable of life, but then every portrayal went with metal people because it was the industrial age.)

True, "What if robots had feelings" is a trope that is actually very good to explore. But the problem is that most writers these days, especially in the west, rarely explored it further and basically just remake the same story all over again

 

[Cobalt-60]

Every single one of these people bitching that people are interested in reading Brandon Sanderson's books are just gripping the poor horse they've led to their poisoned water and shrieking, "WHY WON'T YOU DRINK? WHY WON'T YOU FUCKING DRIIIINK???"

 

[Someone in a Tree]

Every single one of these people bitching that people are interested in reading Brandon Sanderson's books are just gripping the poor horse they've led to their poisoned water and shrieking, "WHY WON'T YOU DRINK? WHY WON'T YOU FUCKING DRIIIINK???"

I have a friend of a friend who bitched about the then impending release of Jonathan Franzen’s Purity, saying, “why would anyone be interested in reading that I have three books available right now on CreateSpace?” I don’t know if he eventually crowed when Purity became a financial disappointment, but it still sold more than his shitty books put together and multiplied by several thousand. Maybe I should check in on this guy again. See if he’s bitching about Cormac McCarthy.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

There was an article in the Autistic Thunderdome that had this great quote:

People don’t enjoy books simply because other people tell them that they should. And if I were one of those allegedly superior authors, I’m not sure I’d want to see my own work cast in the eat-your-spinach role against Sanderson’s French fries.

The problem is we are given far too much EAT YOUR SPINACH books, and even books that seem fun on the surface, but when you crack open the delicious crust is spinach all the way through.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

There was an article in the Autistic Thunderdome that had this great quote:

People don’t enjoy books simply because other people tell them that they should. And if I were one of those allegedly superior authors, I’m not sure I’d want to see my own work cast in the eat-your-spinach role against Sanderson’s French fries.

The problem is we are given far too much EAT YOUR SPINACH books, and even books that seem fun on the surface, but when you crack open the delicious crust is spinach all the way through.

And even if you like spinach, you could still be criticized for not liking it in the right way.

 

[Kiwisee]

There was an article in the Autistic Thunderdome that had this great quote:

People don’t enjoy books simply because other people tell them that they should. And if I were one of those allegedly superior authors, I’m not sure I’d want to see my own work cast in the eat-your-spinach role against Sanderson’s French fries.

The problem is we are given far too much EAT YOUR SPINACH books, and even books that seem fun on the surface, but when you crack open the delicious crust is spinach all the way through.

This issue here is exactly why traditional publishing houses are bleeding money. They’re still in the doubling down phase of pushing these otherwise mediocre gay space communism books, while overlooking manuscripts that could potentially be the next big YA money maker.

Readers don’t like being told what to read. Shocker, I know.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Bingo. What bugs me about today is that so many seem stuck in this "must be like today" mentality that they miss truly creative opportunities. Like I ranted about in the Star Trek thread, the showrunner for ST: DS9 said they should have done more with a "gay relationship" between Bashir and Garak. They completely miss that Odo on the show literally does not have a gender (he's sentient jello without genitals). So how are his relationships not gay relationships?

Odo was EXPLICITLY stated as being a straight male as far as the fact that he considered himself male and heterosexual with no doubts that he was male and had a dick in his human form.

Also, one of the central storylines for DS9 was the "will they or won't they" romantic plotline with Odo spending the ENTIRE series wanting to fuck Kira and by the time Kira realized Odo wanted to stick his penis in her, it's too late as Odo has to rejoin his people to cure them of the bio weapon Starfleet infected him with that was used to poison the entire Founder race.

As for Garak/Bashir; I always took Garak's affection for Bashir to be more "my first real friend" deal than him having a crush on Bashir. The glimpses we got of Garak and his private life indicated that he grew up an uloved bastard in a culture where friendship was absurdly looked down upon due to the quasi-fascist and backstabbing nature of Cardasian culture and while he eventually rose to a decent position in the Obsidian Order, he fucked up at some point (his story about killing a high ranking Cardasian politician's kid by way of blowing up a transport vessel to kill a single criminal onboard it and got punished by basically being fired/exiled to DS9 makes sense in a "Rick Sanchez tells his backstory about how his wife died then backtracks about it being a lie because he is too arrogant/proud to ever tell someone his greatest fuck up/failure" sort of reveal). And that his own father was the guy who ratfucked him, as far as giving the order to fire/exile Garak.

Bashir was his first real "friend" and I have to think that he was so close and protective of Bashir in part because the concept of friendship is rare in his people along with Garak, tacitly knowing that Bashir would have issues if he knew all of the bad shit Garak had done in his past, hence him putting up a flirtatious front of half-truths, denials, and other bits and peaces to keep Bashir from ever truly getting to the point that he might find out something about Garak that might make him cut off contact with him.