Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[naffatune]

Are the missiles Ukrainian, or are they something they took from the Russians?

Tochka-Us belong to both the Ukrainian and Russian forces, but I'm assuming the missiles are Ukie because they're the ones interested in attacking Donetsk.

If Russians really wanted propaganda, they wouldn't need to bomb allied infrastructure. They can just point to Azovs and say "Ukies worship Nazis", or any kind of militarization Ukraine has done in the past and blow it out of proportion.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Ok.. so to be clear, ignoring "the map is not the territory" you are certain that Russia has not encircled the Ukie army in the East because the map you've chosen to use(there are current maps showing the encirclement has already happened) say that over a person who is in Ukraine, apparently in Kharkov, telling you what his on the ground experience is and what he has to be hearing and seeing in his first hand experience. Telling you the Ukie army is encircled.

Ok.

I'm using Wikipedia's map as reference, btw.

It may be hard to know what's happening on the ground but imo the Ukrie army in Donbass is not encircled yet.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

It's Donetsk. The separatist territory. The Ukraineans did this.

The world will look away and memoryhole it just like they've been doing it for the last 8 years.

Forgive him, he's a consummate cold warrior. He spent 20 years stationed in Korea and the Fulda Gap preparing to act as a speedbump in the event of soviet invasion. I'm sure it's hard to shake off the inbuilt prejudice against the Russians/Russian military action after that many years being ingrained with it.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I'm using Wikipedia's map as reference, btw.

It may be hard to know what's happening on the ground but imo the Ukrie army in Donbass is not encircled yet

Can we acknowledge that Wikipedia isn't exactly an unbiased source here?

I agree it's hard to know what's happening. Just... interesting to see someone's on the ground reporting being contradicted by reporting, in this case, by a group not there and has shown itself, based on previous actions, to certainly have a dog in the fight and an interest to portray things in a certain way.

 

[Oxous]

The Kyiv-Kiev debate has made its way to Japan. Its largest political party, the Liberal Democratic Party, is asking the government to change the current standard Japanese translation of the city's name from キエフ ("kiefu", derived from Kiev) to キーウ ("kiu", derived from Kyiv).

This is part of a somewhat new Japanese trend of 'derussianizing' transliterations of foreign names. In 2015 they changed their translation of Georgia (the name of the country) from グルジア ("gurujia", derived from Russian) to ジョージア ("jōjia", derived from English).

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Don't drink coffee at all. Tried it a couple of times. Smells good, tastes awful to me without lots of sugar.

Milk! It's good for your bones AND coffee.

 

[The Ugly One]

This thread teached me that every criticism about russia can be deflected by saying "But what about US?".

Invading Ukraine is bad. But what about cuban missles crisis? Who cares that Ukraine has no nuclear weapons.
Targeting civilians and infrastructure is bad. B-b-but what about that time when US killed civilian?
Putin is trembling as news about war are read. He has parkinson (shit, it doesnt work). Ha ha, look at Biden falling of stairs.

It's not a deflection of criticism. It's used to refute attempts to portray recent events as unprecedented, incomprehensible, totally beyond historical norms. The point of comparison with both WW2 and the Cold War is that

1. Russia's motivations are largely comprehensible
2. Because Russia's motivations are comprehensible, this event was foreseeable, and in fact, many people foresaw it and warned that continued US escalation in Ukraine would lead to this
3. The moral posturing coming out the United States Government is both moronic and hypocritical
4. The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not "unprovoked;" it was an escalation in a proxy conflict with the United States, and
   1. This conflict goes back to at least 2004
   2. In fact, it's not even the first military offensive in this conflict
5. There is a long history here that predates even the existence of the USSR, and trying to talk about this war while ignoring, for example, a 230-year-old Russian naval base on the Black Sea and the United States' attempts to wrest it from Russian control, isn't a useful discussion. It likewise is useful to understand the nature of territorial conflicts which happened nearly every single year of human civilization in Europe prior to the end of WW2, and, given that the USSR was dissolved only in 1991, and Ukraine has not even established the power to elect a government that the US Department of State disapproves of, one should give some consideration to that as well.

None of this is to say that Putin is "based" or even "morally" in the right here, only that this war is actually quite understandable if one bothers to know anything about war, nor is the United Stated Government in any kind of place to morally posture the way it is currently doing and demand that Russia treat its activities in Ukraine as no big deal at all. We all know that if Russia did the same on our border as we have done in Ukraine for the 17 years leading up to this war, or even just the prior 24 months, the same DC apparatchiks insisting that they dindu nuffin would be treating the events as a very big fucking deal.

There are indeed historical examples of a crazy person doing absolutely crazy things with his country's military power, but the Russian invasion of Ukraine is absolutely not one of them.

 

[Wash away the rain]

Tochka-Us belong to both the Ukrainian and Russian forces, but I'm assuming the missiles are Ukie because they're the ones interested in attacking Donetsk.

If Russians really wanted propaganda, they wouldn't need to bomb allied infrastructure. They can just point to Azovs and say "Ukies worship Nazis", or any kind of militarization Ukraine has done in the past and blow it out of proportion.

The main reason they haven’t been saying that is because despite having that in their pocket they seem to want to downplay the size of this conflict in their local propaganda rather then try to paint the enemy as Ukraine, they want to paint Ukraine as a place that loves Russia and it’s people despite historical hatred between Ukrainians and Russians

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Okay here's the full list. Russia sanctioned Biden, Blinken, the Secretary of Defense, General Milley, the National Security Advisor, the CIA Director, Jen Psaki, the Deputy National Security Advisor, the Administrator of the United States Agency for International Development, Hunter Biden, and finally Hillary Clinton.

Spoiler

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It's mildly amusing to me that Hillary in Cyrillic sounds vaguely similar to "Killary"

 

[kuuu]

It's not a deflection of criticism. It's used to refute attempts to portray recent events as unprecedented, incomprehensible, totally beyond historical norms. The point of comparison with both WW2 and the Cold War is that

1. Russia's motivations are largely comprehensible
2. Because Russia's motivations are comprehensible, this event was foreseeable, and in fact, many people foresaw it and warned that continued US escalation in Ukraine would lead to this
3. The moral posturing coming out the United States Government DC is both moronic and hypocritical
4. The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not "unprovoked;" it was an escalation in a proxy conflict with the United States, and
   1. This conflict goes back to atleast 2004
   2. In fact, it's not even the first military offensive in this conflict
5. There is a long history here that predates even the existence of the USSR, and trying to talk about this war while ignoring, for example, a 230-year-old Russian naval base on the Black Sea and the United States' attempts to wrest it from Russian control, isn't a useful discussion. It likewise useful to understand the nature of territorial conflicts which happened nearly every single year of human civilization in Europe prior to the end of WW2, and, given that the USSR was dissolved only in 1991, and Ukraine has not even established the power to elect a government that the US Department of State disapproves of, one should give some consideration to that as well.

None of this is to say that Putin is "based" or even "morally" in the right here, only that this war is actually quite understandable if one bothers to know anything about war, nor is the United Stated Government in any kind of place to morally posture the way it is currently doing and demand that Russia treat its activities in Ukraine as no big deal at all. We all know that if Russia did the same on our border as we have done in Ukraine for the 17 years leading up to this war, or even just the prior 24 months, the same DC apparatchiks insisting that they dindu nuffin would be treating the events as a very big fucking deal.

There are indeed historical examples of a crazy person doing absolutely crazy things with his country's military power, but the Russian invasion of Ukraine is absolutely not one of them.

Found the russian shill.
Get off Putin's dick.

t.twatter/leddit

 

[MugolEx]

Precisely the reason

Where did you find the info?

From https://liveuamap.com/
Yous see all those ak-47 icons. That means there is reported combat.

 

[Dave_Ph]

Tbf not even nato wanted Ukraine in nato only Ukraine wanted that.

How about he stops murdering people in Donbas
Is he doing a pinky swear? Id definitely trust him, fer sure.

 

[AnOminous]

https://youtu.be/IRJ4umS7dJA

Y'all seen this? If true, 60k of the best ukie troops are encircled. All major cities surrounded. Though.. tbf Idk how true it is, I though CRP got the fuck out of Ukraine. Anyway, Ukraines totally winning guys. Russia is losing and incompetent!

Even underperforming startlingly, the scale of the militaries in question is just completely lopsided. Ukraine can't win this conventionally as nobly as they may try. I seriously think the levels of resistance will mean any long-term occupation will make Afghanistan and Chechnya look like walks in the park.

And don't forget that under the prevailing atmosphere of world opinion, we can more or less just blatantly fund and equip any insurgency without much worry of reprisal, unlike the nuclear brinksmanship of actually sending in troops (ain't gonna happen). They're busy, they're bogged down, and I think something like two-thirds of Russia's actually functional military is there right now.

I think Putin has been pretty strategically short-sighted here, as unusual as that is for him. He was more or less correct in his estimation that Russia could take Ukraine, but the cost of doing so has been to expose the actual level of military strength Russia currently has. They can beat the Ukraine. And that's about it.

Even with their equivalent of a full court press, it's about at their limits to fight a medium sized country directly on their borders.

So really fuck Russia. We can field that level of activity overnight if we need to, and on the other side of the world no less.

 

[AnOminous]

Ok. Not that I don't believe you, but CRP is apparently there in Kharkov. Why are you sure that he is wrong?

I wouldn't be sure of it but that babbling cuck being right about anything would be an event of shocking magnitude.

 

[Dave_Ph]

Even underperforming startlingly, the scale of the militaries in question is just completely lopsided. Ukraine can't win this conventionally as nobly as they may try. I seriously think the levels of resistance will mean any long-term occupation will make Afghanistan and Chechnya look like walks in the park.

And don't forget that under the prevailing atmosphere of world opinion, we can more or less just blatantly fund and equip any insurgency without much worry of reprisal, unlike the nuclear brinksmanship of actually sending in troops (ain't gonna happen). They're busy, they're bogged down, and I think something like two-thirds of Russia's actually functional military is there right now.

I think Putin has been pretty strategically short-sighted here, as unusual as that is for him. He was more or less correct in his estimation that Russia could take Ukraine, but the cost of doing so has been to expose the actual level of military strength Russia currently has. They can beat the Ukraine. And that's about it.

Even with their equivalent of a full court press, it's about at their limits to fight a medium sized country directly on their borders.

So really fuck Russia. We can field that level of activity overnight if we need to, and on the other side of the world no less.

Did your Simplord Scott Adams tell you that story. I place great value on anything a follower of The Great Self Proclaimed Persuader says. Deep Thoughts.

 

[killeveryonebombairport]

Because based on the maps they still don't control the main highways going to Dnipro and Zaporizhzhia and the main Russian forces in the south are stucked sieging Mariupol and therefore they can't push very hard towards the north while in the north Izyum has been taken, which is a concern but not a deal breaker.

They can still breakout of any Russian forces in their rear right now because the forces that might encircle them are still too weak to make a proper pocket.

https://24tv.ua/topolya-rozpoviv-pro-stan-ukrayinskoyi-novini-rosiyi-i-ukrayini_n1587594

Posting this link again, but here is how ukrinian army was year ago, I doubt they changed alot, knowing slav mentality and unseen levels of corruption.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Hopefully they call their bomb the Greta Thunberg. 20 megatons of pure green energy. Apply to any urban center and guaranteed to reduce carbon emissions drastically.

I mean they did intent to use them on their own soil in case of emergency, so it would be fitting.

 

[Coccxys]

I really want China to go full supply the Russians with equipment the way everyone has with Ukraine. Go ahead 'murica sanction your way into total collapse.

That would be an absolute display that American global hegemony is over. Either back down and leave China to it while admitting your geopolitical peepee doesn't get hard anymore or go full sanction and collapse your economy.

 

[RedDelicious]

I mean they did intent to use them on their own soil in case of emergency, so it would be fitting.

Belka strong

 

[Ecliptic]

They can still breakout of any Russian forces in their rear right now because the forces that might encircle them are still too weak to make a proper pocket.

Wouldn't the Ukros get cruise missiled soon as they tried? Gotta be hard to truck couple thousand guys down the highway without air cover.