Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Penis Drager]

Sorry, but it has been said over and over again that NATO have and never will accept Ukraine's membership application unless they agreed to recognize Crimea and Donbass as Russian. The justification Russia (and its supporters) gave for this war over Ukraine joining NATO have been debunked numerous times

Are you implying Putin isn't paranoid as shit and would prefer to live with the off chance that it could happen?
Especially given there's a geriatric pedophile in charge of "Le World Police's" nation at the moment?

 

[The Ugly One]

Yes, its fundamentally a defensive tank, designed to sit behind a crapload of armor in a hull down position and pick off attacking Soviet tank armies. The T-72 is designed as an attacking tank, so cheap, light, and low profile. The disadvantage of the T-72 family is they don't have the weight to be competitive with an Abrams, the disadvantage of an abrams is that in order to be king of the battlefield requires a huge vulnerable logistics train to support it, which is a criticism not only of Vatniks but US officers. The US army is in the enviable position that they have the resources to keep the abrams supplied but in a real war as resources are degraded you might see the shortcomings of the abrams brought to light. Hopefully the US is able to avoid a bloody land war with a near competitor so we never find out.

A lot of US military hardware is designed based on the premise that we're really not going to lose much of it, and we'll always have air supremacy, usually uncontested.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I'm not saying blacks won't defend their own, I'm saying they wouldn't be cool with serving with the Grand Dragon of the KKK.

LBJ and KKK Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd would beg to differ as blacks were very cool with being slaves again to their old masters.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

That extra weight has a reason. The Abrams can poke all sorts of holes in a T-72 but last I checked a T-72 cant do anything to an Abrams.
T-72's are great so long as they don't go against any sort of modern tank. T-72's where designed 60 fucking years ago

Even worse...it wasn't supposed to be their primary tank. It was originally designed as a war substitute model to be produced in war time. So of course they made it their main tank.

 

[hooboy]

Sorry, but it has been said over and over again that NATO have and never will accept Ukraine's membership application unless they agreed to recognize Crimea and Donbass as Russian. The justification Russia (and its supporters) gave for this war over Ukraine joining NATO have been debunked numerous times

I agree with the sentiment, but the problem Russia faced wasn’t Ukraine literally allying with NATO, but moving outside of Russia’s immediate influence.

Russia clearly initially believed this would he a quick regime change operation (hence “Special Military Operation”) and not a recreation of the Gombe War

 

[JosephStalin]

100 dragged off by the NKVD.
Another 100 sent into unwinnable battles by Stalin because he'd rather kill some with suicide missions instead of having the NKVD do all of it.
100 who were low ranking generals that are closer to colonels in NATO.
FFS Stalin even had Zhukov on the shit list and would've killed him if he wasn't a popular national hero.

There are not as many generals in the US Army because the Army isn't that big in terms of pure manpower. Commands get merged and shut down all the time. Some generals end up being like the assistant manager at an understaffed McDonalds, taking on responsibilities of people above them without getting the rank, pay, or authority to get resources. Depending on what a general in the US Army is in charge of, it can be an extremely cushy gig, or a stressful shitshow. Their pay also varies widely. There are many different kinds of generals. I've heard a retired Maj. General describe it as being like the dean of a college. The deans of the medical and law schools are more prestigious than the dean of the liberal arts school.


tldr the rank of general varies.

Doubt generals'/admirals' (flag officers) pay varies that widely. You can look at the pay scale, by rank/pay grade and years in service. Basic pay is the same for all at that rank/years of service. Also, there's a cap on generals' basic pay.

To be sure, some generals/admirals, depending on their job, could get some flight pay, perhaps some sea/submarine duty pay, but not that much.

Here's a link to the Defense Finance and Accounting Service's military pay tables.

https://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/payentitlements/Pay-Tables/

All officers get the same tax-free allowance for food (subsistence), regardless of rank.

Many generals/admirals will live on base. In that case they get no housing allowance. Those flag officers who live downtown would get a tax-free housing allowance, the amount varying with the location in the USA or overseas.

Flag officers can be eligible for certain other pays and allowances, but these aren't usually that big.

In a nutshell, if you are an American general/admiral, one star to four stars, you are paid well compared to many. To be sure, you may not make as much as a civilian equivalent, but in retirement you can often get such civilian jobs, plus your retirement, plus possible VA disability compensation.

Having said that, there's a belief there are too many flag officers in the military. This is long and a few years old but believe the issue hasn't improved, still too many out there wearing stars.

https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Publicatio...oo-many-general-officers-for-todays-military/

https://archive.ph/JT20l

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Exceptional "They're mutinying!" aside, it looks like Russian Gallipoli is actually going to happen. Reminder that Odessa has multiple Neptune Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles and that the Ukrainians have known they are going to do an amphibious assault near Odessa for weeks now. Expect VDV tier competence.

https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1503941702226223104

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Exceptional "They're mutinying!" aside, it looks like Russian Gallipoli is actually going to happen. Reminder that Odessa has multiple Neptune Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles and that the Ukrainians have known they are going to do an amphibious assault near Odessa for weeks now. Expect VDV tier competence.

https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1503941702226223104

That's going to be bloody. If they hit any troopships on the way in, there will be significant casualties.

 

[Kane Lives]

Exceptional "They're mutinying!" aside, it looks like Russian Gallipoli is actually going to happen. Reminder that Odessa has multiple Neptune Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles and that the Ukrainians have known they are going to do an amphibious assault near Odessa for weeks now. Expect VDV tier competence.

https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1503941702226223104

Damn, the Russkis really want their Gallipolli eh?

 

[SSJGPUAR]

Absolutely. African Americans and the Good Ol' Boys would be armed to the teeth and fighting. The niggers would flee to some urban shithole up north and demand free shit for their troubles -- and they'd be given it.

This would repeat until there's no place for them to flee to in the US, then they'd either bail for Canada and demand more free shit or I dunno, scream at the Chinese army about how they have Yellow Privilege and act surprised when they're just put down instead of put up with.

I will never get over the ridiculous optimism this board has for non-feral niggers to be reasonable and to work with others. No matter who invades, niggers will remain the true enemy and we all know it.

 

[H. Bergeron]

The war started when foreign influences took control of the country via a violent revolution. And people in the Donbass region said lol no.

Sure... 1 million protestors all because Soros said so, or the glowies, or whatever the fuck. You fuckers can't even imagine that the Ukranians even have a speck of agency on their own. There is no doubt that US and others followed it, but you think what, people weren't gonna be pissed that the president who ran on joining the EU trade deal suddenly had a change of heart at the last second during Russia trying to fuck them over economically? Yeah, fuck that noise.

Eastern Europe does not fuck around with protests, look at fucking Slovakia in 2018, hundreds of thousands of people in the streets over a guy getting murdered along with his wife for investigation corruption. You really think that the Ukranians needed help to get this shit started? Yanukovich was a fucking puppet, and like most corrupt shitwads he miscalculated the amount of shit he could serve his people. Then like so many others in his place he freaked the fuck out and overreacted, making the whole thing worse.

Wonder how many people riding the Putin love train were screaming about how Trudeau was a fascist for the shit he pulled on the truckers? Because that was fucking peanuts compared to what happened to the Maiden protestors.

Problem with fuckers like you is that you will latch on to anything that is against the narrative whether it makes sense or not. The standard line is that Putin is an immoral gangster shit-heel whose efforts to control Ukraine backfired so he fell back on his usual tactics of arming ethnic groups with closer ties with Russia? Nah... that's just propaganda, it's globohomo you really gotta worry about.

It's such horseshit on its face it really is incredible.

 

[Alba gu brath]

Damn, the Russkis really want their Gallipolli eh?

Gott'a cut off the western aid somehow, cause god knows they're having too much damn trouble doing it from the north. Will be funnier still if this turns out to be a massive flop.

 

[Madgneto Was Right]

Exceptional "They're mutinying!" aside, it looks like Russian Gallipoli is actually going to happen. Reminder that Odessa has multiple Neptune Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles and that the Ukrainians have known they are going to do an amphibious assault near Odessa for weeks now. Expect VDV tier competence.

https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1503941702226223104

On one hand I expect modern amphibious invasion by a superior army to not end in a hilarious meat-grinder. On the other, the idiots used paratroopers on the opening days of the invasion before any significant inroads or having air superioty over the region, so who knows really.

 

[H. Bergeron]

This invasion must be occurring in some cool alternate timeline. IRL the Grand Dragon would just have to show his glowie credentials.

...yes. Our intellectual class of the time was in love with central planning (with themselves as the planners ofc) which is why it turns out half of them were working for the Kremlin. "Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs"/ "I have seen the future, and it works" ring any bells? I mean, it's not like the Soviets got given the entirety of Eastern Europe- including Poland, the guarantee on whom was Brian's CB against Germany- because they rolled really well on the loot table after beating the encounter.

And our Generals knew the score. The US and UK had plans on the books to bomb the shit out of Russia after the war.

 

[Kane Lives]

On one hand I expect modern amphibious invasion by a superior army to not end in a hilarious meat-grinder. On the other, the idiots used paratroopers on the opening days of the invasion before any significant inroads or having air superioty over the region, so who knows really.

Well, the poor sods on the ships off Odessa are definitely, fervently praying that their superiors know what they're doing.

We'll find out soon enough if it's another Gallipolli, or Incheon. (The former ends with a bevy of Russian generals executed, probably, the latter means somebody just got a nice fat promotion.)

 

[XYZpdq]

Not an opsec leak at all.

Channel 1 - battalion commander, drones
Channel 2 and 3 - 1st Company
Channel 4 and 5 - 2nd Company
Channel 6 and 7 - 3rd Company
can't quite make out the others
Channel 10 might be Sniper

Without any frequencies listed this information is functionally useless to anyone except the person holding the radio.

Gundam taught me that all comm channels need to be accessible for everybody so you can have philosophy debates during combat
also online Ukraine bro is still not dead

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Sure... 1 million protestors all because Soros said so, or the glowies, or whatever the fuck. You fuckers can't even imagine that the Ukranians even have a speck of agency on their own. There is no doubt that US and others followed it, but you think what, people weren't gonna be pissed that the president who ran on joining the EU suddenly had a change of heart at the last second during Russia trying to fuck them over economically? Yeah, fuck that noise.

Eastern Europe does not fuck around with protests, look at fucking Slovakia in 2018, hundreds of thousands of people in the streets over a guy getting murdered along with his wife for investigation corruption. You really think that the Ukranians needed help to get this shit started? Yanukovich was a fucking puppet, and like most corrupt shitwads he miscalculated the amount of shit he could serve his people. Then like so many others in his place he freaked the fuck out and overreacted, making the whole thing worse.

Wonder how many people riding the Putin love train were screaming about how Trudeau was a fascist for the shit he pulled on the truckers? Because that was fucking peanuts compared to what happened to the Maiden protestors.

Problem with fuckers like you is that you will latch on to anything that is against the narrative whether it makes sense or not. The standard line is that Putin is an immoral gangster shit-heel whose efforts to control Ukraine backfired so he fell back on his usual tactics of arming ethnic groups with closer ties with Russia? Nah... that's just propaganda, it's globohomo you really gotta worry about.

It's such horseshit on its face it really is incredible.

Maidan was a CIA backed coup, for fuck's sakes John McCain was giving speeches to the crowd and Victoria Nuland was recorded talking about how to organize the government and who to put into power. You buy into this line that the Ukrainians are just these plucky underdogs who strive for democracy, the most popular political party in the country was banned. You're the one buying into horseshit and you do it because you're retarded.

 

[Rezza]

Exceptional "They're mutinying!" aside, it looks like Russian Gallipoli is actually going to happen. Reminder that Odessa has multiple Neptune Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles and that the Ukrainians have known they are going to do an amphibious assault near Odessa for weeks now. Expect VDV tier competence.

https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1503941702226223104

The troops in Odessa have been preparing for this moment for weeks. With a bit of luck, they could defens against the landing. If it does turn into another Gallipoli, that's going to be a severe blow for the Russians

 

[Richardface]

Well, the poor sods on the ships off Odessa are definitely, fervently praying that their superiors know what they're doing.

We'll find out soon enough if it's another Gallipolli, or Incheon. (The former ends with a bevy of Russian generals executed, probably, the latter means somebody just got a nice fat promotion.)

US Marine officer corps will be unironically wishing the Russians every success since they've spent the last 30 years furiously denying the general consensus that in an age of anti ship missile opposed landings aren't a thing

 

[Arc]

Sure... 1 million protestors all because Soros said so, or the glowies, or whatever the fuck. You fuckers can't even imagine that the Ukranians even have a speck of agency on their own. There is no doubt that US and others followed it, but you think what, people weren't gonna be pissed that the president who ran on joining the EU suddenly had a change of heart at the last second during Russia trying to fuck them over economically? Yeah, fuck that noise.

Eastern Europe does not fuck around with protests, look at fucking Slovakia in 2018, hundreds of thousands of people in the streets over a guy getting murdered along with his wife for investigation corruption. You really think that the Ukranians needed help to get this shit started? Yanukovich was a fucking puppet, and like most corrupt shitwads he miscalculated the amount of shit he could serve his people. Then like so many others in his place he freaked the fuck out and overreacted, making the whole thing worse.

Wonder how many people riding the Putin love train were screaming about how Trudeau was a fascist for the shit he pulled on the truckers? Because that was fucking peanuts compared to what happened to the Maiden protestors.

Problem with fuckers like you is that you will latch on to anything that is against the narrative whether it makes sense or not. The standard line is that Putin is an immoral gangster shit-heel whose efforts to control Ukraine backfired so he fell back on his usual tactics of arming ethnic groups with closer ties with Russia? Nah... that's just propaganda, it's globohomo you really gotta worry about.

It's such horseshit on its face it really is incredible.

Did the truckers kill a bunch of cops? Were there mysterious, never found, snipers killing martyr protestor truckers? Chinese politicians visiting Canada in solidarity with the protestors? If Trudeau was forced to flee the country and regions didn't accept the new Chinese backed replacement you would support them getting shelled I'm sure.

>You really think that the Ukranians needed help to get this shit started?
NGOs and the US sure seemed to think they did.

>The standard line is that Putin is an immoral gangster shit-heel whose efforts to control Ukraine backfired so he fell back on his usual tactics of arming ethnic groups with closer ties with Russia? Nah... that's just propaganda
I'm more worried about the shit-heels arming the other side with western weapons and trying to rope me into this shit.

I'm sorry your brand new CIA sponsored vagina hurts bro - dial 8 to get some help. Better yet, ask them to spring for a new brain. Or maybe you already did.