Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Mister Uno]

I'm gonna take another break from this thread. I turn into a fucking bleeding heart preacher every fucking time. Ultimately, it just comes off of sanctimonious bullshit that does nothing for anyone. Fuck. I hate being aware.

Just kick back and enjoy the show. Sure its disheartening, but it's also funny.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Too much LARP. Ngmi.
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The Putinbots might be obnoxious but the Zelecucks really take the cake.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

We are approaching that critical 4 week point where Ukraine's general mobilization is going to start to be able to show some real teeth. Kiev and Kharkiv have still not been encircled fully and are still being supplied. Mariople is cut off, but has not fallen and is bogging down the bulk of the Russian invasion. Odessa has not been engaged at all, preventing Russian forces in Transnistria from effectively participating.

With lethal western munitions now pouring into the country and the loss, by most estimates, of around 1,000 supply vehicles, the Russian Army now has about another 4 weeks to break the sieges of Mariople and Kharkiv. Kiev is not as important as those two battles. If they can get Mariople and Kharkiv they can roll on and seize the Russian side of Dneiper and declare victory. I think Odessa is completely out of the equation at this point, so Ukraine is not going to become landlocked. I don't think the Russians can take Kiev either at this point. All they can do is keep Ukraines best units pinned down there and out of the Eastern Theater.

If Mariople does not fall in the next 4 weeks, Kharkiv is not going to fall, because the Russians cannot cut off Kharkiv until the Southern Front is secure and those forces can turn to the north and cut off Kharkivs resupply route. Worse, at this juncture Russia's supply train will have become exhausted while the Ukrainians will remain fully supplied. To continue the war, Russia will HAVE to declare a general mobilization, call up its reserves and institute the draft. Something that may be politically untenable for Putin.

What if China does the needful?

 

[mindlessobserver]

There is just like an underlying theme in the 2020s of the people's lack of self sufficiency in doing ANYTHING, fucking ANYTHING, coming back to bite it in the ass.

Centralized systems are systems with critical failure points where if even one of them were to go all of them go. One would think our fearless leaders would understand this but for some reason they just cannot avoid the alure (and the illusion) that they, and they alone can defy the collective knowlege of history and our biological understanding of how complex systems work. That THEY alone, for the first time in recorded and unrecorded history, have unlocked the secret to establishing a system of perfect control where they can handle the entire system that his human society.

I think the real nightmare is these idiots will realize they aren't up to the task and start developing true AI that is.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

There is just like an underlying theme in the 2020s of the people's lack of self sufficiency in doing ANYTHING, fucking ANYTHING, coming back to bite it in the ass.

Started before the 2020s, even. Need a server? Instead of spinning up your own, just rent it from Amazon! What can go wrong?

 

[Retired Junta Member]

As western nations burn in the fires of inflation, open borders, and demographic replacement - at least lethal munitions can still be sent to Ukraine en masse. It's good for nations to keep their priorities in check.

Oh, they have. Western nations strongly wanted and worked for at least a decade to have open borders.

 

[The Nothingness]

Maybe the political ideology created from his writings will be canceled next.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Generally speaking, 2nd languages are not required until high school, which is like grades 8 to 12. And even then, most don't care and just ask the Mexican kid for help in Spanish class or copy his homework. Depends on the state though as I went through California, which is ranked bottom of the barrel usually.

Overall, the education system is fucked and thanks to the kung flu pandemic, American parents were redpilled hard on how retarded the public education system is and how much subversive and cancerous the teacher's unions are.

I got lucky and we had Russian at my school. Of course all I remember is a handful of words and various phrases unfit for any polite conversation. Part of the problem is most Americans don't even really get a chance to use a second language outside of schooling, much less need to.

 

[Czechem Republic]

Nobody was spreading radioactive contamination

You dumb faggot lmao, they followed the radioactive trail all over London!

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Maybe the political ideology created from his writings will be canceled next.
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Not sure what that has to do with Russia as Marx was definitely not Russian, but still pretty based.

Looks like the nazis have occupied a kindergarden. Hoping they at least sent the kids home first.

 

[borsabil]

I disagree, I live near Philadelphia and I can see that the US government is losing control over vast swaths of the immediate region. If you walk around Kensington or any part of the Philly badlands you will INSTANTLY realize that the government has absolutely no control over this area, they're just visitors. https://youtu.be/cOBoDT-3oM0 is just one small area of Kensington, the Philly badlands is fucking huge and the police have effectively surrendered these sections of the city and only intervene when murders and violent crime occurs, they show up and immediately depart once the crisis ends or crime scene is fully processed. Anything that goes on in the badlands is effectively invisible to Federal authorities unless it blows up or kills someone. This is just one city in the US with this level of blight and loss of control, I'm sure I could go to LA, Chicago, St Louis, Detriot, any major city. The south Bronx was infamous for its total lawlessness in the 70s and 80s and when a region gets that way for a long period of time they do not take kindly to some asshole in a suit trying to brute force them into doing what they do not like. If this stagflation, insane food and gas prices continue upward while paired with the crime wave you're going to see people just start gunning down cops and Feds because they're just in the way and provide absolutely zero protections or benefits to the average person. That the US managed to dig itself out of the 70-80s crime and economic malaise is probably one of the most poorly understood events in US history, most young people don't realize how fucking shit the country was for a long period of time.

I think Putin managed to time his invasion of Ukraine quite well, the US is in rapid decay and I think would almost certainly have been more capable of dealing with the invasion between 2015-2019. Everywhere I go I just feel a sense of apprehension from people around me, everyone gives off the feeling that they're just going through the motions and is just putting on a brave face for each other, totally accepting the fact that shit is bad and is almost certainly going to get worse.

The American governing class needs a war. Like they REALLY need a war. The US economy is fucked, I don't think even the most delusional cheeto soaked deathfat burger would deny this in current year.

It's all the shit stained pigeons coming home to roost. Decades of degeneracy and putting everything on the credit card. People compare it to the 1970's when Nixon left the gold standard but it's so much worse. Add high inflation with all of the unfunded boomer liabilities and there is only one solution, an engineered collapse in consumer demand and a massive reduction in living standards for their middle class. How to do this without starting a wildfire of social unrest?

Covid was their solution but it turned out not to be the ZA so it didn't allow for the reset. Next least bad option is war with Russia.

Russia is a big nation with a big army and nuclear weapons. A war with them can be sold as national emergency whereas a war with a sandpit shithole cannot. A national emergency will allow for general mobilisation, appropriation of vital industries and a 'temporary' clampdown on internal dissidents. Every time America has gone to war, as in a real war not the carpet bombing of civilians in third world nations they've been doing since WW2, they've suspended civil liberties and moved to a war time socialist economic model, this time will be no different. The chances of war is 100% driven by internal factors, particularly economic. The more the US economy deteriorates the more likely they are to kick off shit, something to bear in mind.

As for the future? Right now in Mexico there is a nationwide civil war going on between various Cartels. The drug cartels are slowly morphing from being purely mafia style syndicates to becoming politically motivated actors and defacto governments in the areas they operate from. I expect the same process to happen in the US except even more violent. As ever get out of cities and find a rural community in a state with minimal gun regs and fingers crossed your neighbors will have your back when the hordes come for a visit, which they will.

 

[mindlessobserver]

What if China does the needful?

Russia's issue is not equipment and supplies. Its got plenty of both. Russia's issue is getting both to the front where they can be used, and warm bodies too use them. They invaded a country of 40 million people with 125,000 troops. For comparison, the USA with all its advanced technology and total warfare supremacy invaded a country of 25 million with 500,000 troops in 2003. And even THAT proved insufficient in the long run. Russia's soldier to enemy civilian ratio is dangerously low. Especially when engaged with a peer enemy.

It underscores the fact that Putin assumed his quick decapitation strike was guaranteed to succeed. Russia has not brought enough forces foreword to actually close the deal. Especially since they opted for an invasion on all possible fronts instead of a more concentrated spearhead offensive. Russia has enough artillery to reduce Kharkiv and Mariople and make the rubble bounce, but that doesn't actually take those cities. In fact urban warfare experience during World War 2 indicates this actually makes taking the cities HARDER. Bombed out buildings make ideal cover and fortification emplacements because the weak structure fascade is knocked away, revealing the solid concrete bones capable of actually stopping incoming rounds. Even better, it creates an environment more conducive for camouflage and creates readily available material for building entrenched positions. You can't pound a city into submission in a month. Especially when said city (like Mariople) is being defended by units (the Azov Battalion) who have been told that they will be killed if they surrender. Why would they surrender at this point? You need to swamp them with a human wave and roust them out of their positions and kill them to the man. Russia can still do this, but the forces they need to do it are bogged down in Irpin and Kharkiv.

Russia doesn't have enough men actually at the front. They have more then enough men over all in Russia proper, but what good are they if they sitting in Abkhazia trading insults with Georgians instead of where the war is? If Putin had actually planned on a major ground war as this has proven to be, he would have brought foreword at least 3 times as many troops as he did.

 

[The Nothingness]

Not sure what that has to do with Russia as Marx was definitely not Russian, but still pretty based.

Looks like the nazis have occupied a kindergarden. Hoping they at least sent the kids home first.
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Because some guys decided to try Marxism in Russia.

 

[No_one]

Maybe the political ideology created from his writings will be canceled next.
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American university cancelling a German Jew because of Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I'm not even surprised anymore.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Because some guys decided to try Marxism in Russia.

Must've been a boomer who made that decision. Most Russians right now would agree with them about Marx and where he should go.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

It's interesting how when Russia shoots traditionally civilian targets that Ukraine is using for military operations like schools and there is collateral damage it's a big problem but according to the same media when Israel blows up Hamas who hides rockets in schools and there is collateral damage it isn't a problem at all? Why is this?

Because muslims.

 

[Duke Nukem]

It's not just in A&H, Hollywood Hulk Hogan used to follow people around to downvote them.

Does he even post here much anymore? Not that I particularly care, but I'm surprised he has lasted as long as he has.

 

[Psychotron]

Russia doesn't have enough men actually at the front. They have more then enough men over all, but what good are they if they sitting in Abkhazia trading insults with Georgians instead of where the war is?

A non nuclear stalemate perpetual conflict zone is most beneficial for everyone.

Russia get's it's iron curtain, and can maintain absolute control of it's people

Western firms can price gouge and sell supplies.
China and India get to play both sides.

The best move for the Russians here is to hold and play balls to the walls mad iven. The west sending in bodies can be warded off with the nuclear threat.

What the Russians need to stop doing is taking casualties, because that is still hardest for them to replenish.

American university cancelling a German Jew because of Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I'm not even surprised anymore.

To be fair it is the University of Florida.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Does he even post here much anymore? Not that I particularly care, but I'm surprised he has lasted as long as he has.

He mostly posts in the pastadome if he posts in A&H at all.

 

[bread n circuses]

Right, I am one of the few people here countering the Russian bullshit, so I must have an agenda. Funny thing was I was right there thinking that a lot of the Russia hate is overblown. Hell I still think most of the sanctions by companies especially is counter productive, and the reach of Russia's cyberwarfare efforts also overblown.

Then the war breaks out, and every counter culture populist rightie, or anti establishment lib starts tossing out reams after reams of bullshit about how the war is all the USs fault. The best being a talk by a professor from like six years ago. You know who has even worse foreign policy proscriptions than the DoD? Foreign Policy professors who couldn't even get a job doing what they wanted to do and actually influence government policy.

And in all of that, not even a nominal discussion of Putin's part in it. They act as if Putin and Ukraine have no agency, that US actions control everything they do, which is arrogant as fuck. It's the "White people cause minority crime!" argument on an international scale. Of course, the US negotiations have had an effect, of course, Ukraine not folding to Putin had an effect, but you know who is the most to blame for Putin invading?

Fucking Putin.

Everyone just constantly spouting every random-ass bit of info found on Russian media or Tiktok is 100% on the level. Some of the shit is plausible, Russia is likely doing better than the Ukrainians would want us to think. Ukraine clearly uses propaganda to sell their plight on the international stage, because without assistance they are likely fucked. The Ghost of Kyiv is rightfully mocked. Yet not even a smidge of questioning the Putin narrative as a whole.

Here is the truth, Russia should have never fucking invaded. They were wrong to do so and every excuse they have is ridiculous on its face. Putin has a history of convincing people that whatever he is doing isn't so bad, really... by half-truths and flat-out lies. He knows no one will ever actually like him on the world stage, so he has to. He just miscalculated this time.

And he jerks off in his room while crying wishing he was as badass as Papa Joe.

But block away boyo, no skin of my back. Don't even try to listen to the other side.

The worst part of this post is thinking Mearsheimer, one of the most important foreign policy theorists probably ever is a “failure” lmfao. He has influenced government policy, his book The Tragedy of Great Power Politics is very widely read, and will be even more so now that another of his theories has been vindicated. Some staffer at the DoD has far less influence than he does.

Of course Russia has agency. We’re just saying that Russia’s choice not to allow a former core territory to forever slip into America’s grasp isn’t some sort of insane and random act of aggression.

You’ll find that in modern history, it is often the beleaguered side of a conflict which starts shooting, because the side on offence is using non-military diplomatic/economic power against it.

Your post is funny because nobody here actually buys Putin’s narrative. Nobody here is calling it a “special operation” or making more than a passing mention of Ukrainian Nazis. You seethe about any attempts at even-handedness, not Russian propaganda.