Opinion Lia Thomas’s swimming is getting swamped in others’ fears - "Uhmmmm akshtually not letting trannies into women's sports is like implementing height limits" and assorted copes on WaPo

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Hate to tell you, but in a way, everyone is trans. As writer T Cooper observed, all of us in life’s competitive arena are on the way to becoming someone profoundly different than we were, and keeping score is just a way to track the arc of a person from youth to prime to past it. If you subtract the aim of becomingness from competition just because you’re afraid of a Lia Thomas and make it strictly about the chance to win a prize, then you might as well go to an amusement park and shoot a squirt gun at a clown face because it will have about as much meaning.

The debate over whether Thomas, a transgender collegiate swimmer, has some sort of immutable biological edge over the field in this week’s NCAA women’s swimming championships will swamp whatever she does in the water. We look to facts to rescue us when a subject becomes heated, but here, the science remains unsettled. No one arguing the issue really wants to admit it — when is the last time you heard a doctor or any other expert say the words, “I don’t know”? But we don’t know. Therefore, to exclude trans athletes from elite competition, out of our own constricting fears and uncertainty, is wrong, harmfully so.

Read all the position papers for yourself, the strenuous arguments over nanomoles of suppressed testosterone, from briefs in a Connecticut legal case over a high school sprinter to a “briefing” book submitted to Congress by the Women’s Sports Policy Working Group. And then do yourself a favor. Sweep them all off your desk and pick up a stunner of a book called “Real Man Adventures” by Cooper, a literature professor at Emory University whose credits include writing the NBC series “The Blacklist.” See if what you read in Cooper’s work doesn’t ring more startlingly true than any of the disputed positions.

“It turns out nobody else is born a man either,” he writes. “Sure, roughly half of us humans are born male — but only a fraction of that fraction grow into men.”

What is the real aim and value of NCAA competition? Is it not to grow people? Surely, it’s about more than just vaulting a small subset of young talents on to a podium for the sake of name-image-and-likeness deals and spots in the Olympics. It’s supposed to be about exploring who you are, whether on the pool deck or starting block or basketball floor, and the truth is that “every person has multitudes in them,” as Cooper’s wife, journalist Allison Glock, observed in her own work. That’s the real worthwhile inquiry of college sports.

Using this as a starting point in the Thomas debate seems a much smarter approach than the uncivil fearmongering over bone density and hand size. And it allows you to ask without insult: Is Thomas’s presence preventing other swimmers from finding out who they are?

Every age category from pre-puberty to professional has changing stakes and urgencies around this issue, and none of those categories are neat. But what can be said with some consensus and conviction is that contests for maturing competitors should be more than a matter of mere physical overwhelming. That defeats the purpose of learning, too, and it’s why we have weight classes. “Sport is always taking into account how to group athletes in order to have meaningful, interesting competitions,” bioethicist Thomas Murray says. You can, like Martina Navratilova, support trans rights with your whole heart and still believe that athletes should compete in their birth category. That doesn’t make you a bigot. It makes you concerned that a meaningful and interesting category of women athletes might disappear.

The trouble is, whatever we think we know about this threat, there are complications to every assumption. Thomas’s Ivy League records this season at Penn coupled with her 6-foot-1 frame initially seem like an overwhelmingly unfair advantage — until you remember that Missy Franklin is 6-foot-2 and 165 pounds. For each researcher who presents certainty that the adolescent pulses of testosterone confer a “legacy” advantage in size and strength even after hormone therapy, there is the reasonable work of a Joanna Harper, a medical physicist who counters that it’s not that simple: There are disadvantages, too.

For instance, a larger skeleton is actually harder to aerobically push after the muscle loss of hormone therapy. And anyway, when has raw size or strength ever been the main determinant of victory in anything? The most titanic competitor I ever watched in any field was the least physically prepossessing: Chris Evert, who took apart the famed trans tennis player Renee Richards, 6-1, 6-0, in the 1979 U.S. Clay Court Championships.

Then there is the baffling truth that height differences within genders are much greater than between them. Transgender people have been allowed to compete in the Olympics since 2004 and have yet to medal, much less blot out women.

All of which is why LaGwyn Durden, the NCAA’s organization’s director of sports medicine, has said, “The science/medical community really hasn’t reached a consensus on testosterone threshold. We don’t have a definitive answer about that.”

For the moment we can only continue to calibrate judgments around the important question: Does our current collegiate model, with its inclusion of Thomas and other trans athletes, call forth competition that is interesting, meaningful and valuable? The answer is yes.

Women’s collegiate swimming was more meaningful and interesting thanks to Franklin’s dominant performances, including a 2015 record that still stands. The sport would have been a lot less so had a height limit prohibited her participation, based on some unverified fear or urge toward homogeneity.

One of the things that makes NCAA sport so captivating is the vast assortment of characters emerging from their chrysalis into the broader world.
Former Georgetown sprinter Aimee Mullins is living proof and articulates this better than anyone. Mullins, who made college track and field more interesting as the first double below-the-knee amputee to compete at a Division I school, joined an amicus brief asking a Connecticut court to let trans youth compete.

In it, she argues: “I think the greatest adversity that we create for ourselves is this idea of ‘normalcy’ as it applies to human beings. There is no normal. There’s common, there’s typical, but there’s no normal. Whether it’s gender, physical or mental ability, or another categorization used to make assumptions about people, sports help break down barriers that society imposes. If we can begin to shift away from the mirage of normalcy and instead view deviations from the common through a lens of possibility, we can increase access to sports and all the benefits they provide.”



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“It turns out nobody else is born a man either,” he writes. “Sure, roughly half of us humans are born male — but only a fraction of that fraction grow into men.”


The fuck is this statement. Im sure a massive majority of males born male will remain male
But will they become men?

His statement sounds like something I'd expect a far right militia to state. That our boys are coddled and do not grow into men.
 
"Common" and "Typical" have the same meaning with normal, you idiots.
A shitlib's definition of any given word or thing is entirely dependent on what is convenient for them at the moment.

They will write entire tomes on how black is white, up is down, men are women, no is yes, or 2+2=5, so long as it advances their agenda.
 
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“It turns out nobody else is born a man either,” he writes. “Sure, roughly half of us humans are born male — but only a fraction of that fraction grow into men.”


The fuck is this statement. Im sure a massive majority of males born male will remain male
Its a quote from a book written by a FtM tranny who is writing about her transition.
 
“It turns out nobody else is born a man either,” he writes. “Sure, roughly half of us humans are born male — but only a fraction of that fraction grow into men.”


The fuck is this statement. Im sure a massive majority of males born male will remain male
It means that, because not every young boy grows up to become a lumberjack, then he's not really a male.

The whole gender spectre is basically a graphic where you have a tomboy who plays football on one extreme and an ultra feminine bimbo on the other and you claim that each slot between them is a different gender, with the bimbo being the Real Woman.
 
Hate to tell you, but in a way, everyone is trans.

No. :mad:

Also, trying to make some connection between trooning out and normal people becoming better athletes by transforming themselves in a whole other way is the most pants on head retarded thing I have read in quite awhile.

If I train hard to be faster and stronger it's not the same as me getting my tits lopped off and my arm flesh mutilated and grafted to my crotch.

This here is a man who wasn't good enough at men's swimming to stand out. So he trooned out for glory and probably thought they were all lesbos that wanted his girldick. After all, that's what Reddit and Discord likely told him.

All males who live to adulthood become men. Just because a man takes estrogen, or gets a boob job or a stink ditch dug doesn't mean he's suddenly a woman. But, I guess when physical reality doesn't matter and everything is defined by one's feelings and emotional whims, troons like Lia are more woman than anyone born female could ever dream of being.

I'm not sure why only a fraction of a fraction become men. It's like they are insinuating that the majority of males troon out. That's not the case at all. And at no point in human history have we seen more trooning out than we do now. So perhaps to these mentally ill autogynephiles it appears as if huge swaths of men are troons because they associate with them on the internet so much.

No amount of magical thinking is going to make everyone on planet Earth troon out. If they had it their way every woman would become a man and every man would become a woman. We'd all be mutilated, infertile and part of the gender binary anyway. Only people with severe mental illness think this way.
 
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The writer has the nerve to invoke Missy Franklin. Well, I can tell Missy Franklin is a real woman, unlike Thomas, who is obviously a dude in that picture.

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Missy Franklin is tall and masculine for a woman, but she is still obviously a woman. If the stand alone pictures weren't enough to demonstrate this, just compare her standing next to other women:

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She may be taller than the others, but she's not so big and masculine that she is comically drawfing her fellow women, unlike Liar Thomas:

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Even standing waaay in the back, he's so massive, there's no way to miss him :story:
 
Missy Franklin is tall and masculine for a woman, but she is still obviously a woman. If the stand alone pictures weren't enough to demonstrate this, just compare her standing next to other women:

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She may be taller than the others, but she's not so big and masculine that she is comically drawfing her fellow women, unlike Liar Thomas:

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Even standing waaay in the back, he's so massive, there's no way to miss him :story:
I'm not gonna lie: I think she's kinda hot. I have a thing for amazons.
 
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