Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Kenya Jones]

Also @Feline Supremacist , that RT article claims that the Russians do not use the Tochka systems anymore, but video has turned up of, guess what, of Russia having Tochkas in Belarus.

 

[JosephStalin]

They can't advance. They did not bring enough men. This war was the Federations to win and they bungled it. It's a fuck up all the way down the line. Ukraine has destroyed over a quarter of the Federations truck transport capability. In 3 weeks. It's gotten so bad they have had to pull entire battalions away from the assault on Kiev to build a fucking fuel pipeline from Belarus to Irpin.

The attack on Odessa has been abandoned, while in Kharkiv a recent Ukrainian counter attack has pushed Federation soldiers back to the suburbs.

The Federation was not prepared for this war and now its costing them dearly. And this is just the start. Soon Ukraine will have regional supremacy, unless Russia mobilizes its reserves.

So yeah, unless Putin is prepared to force Russian kids to start dying for him, Ukraine is on track to actually win the war.

Unless he pulls his active forces away from The Federations conflict zones in Japan, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan. That may buy him time. In Ukraine. But if I was Japan or Georgia I would take the invitation for what it is. A declaration of weakness and an opportunity to settle old scores.

Believe I read something here yesterday to the extent that China has looked at the Russian performance in Ukraine, plus Russian troop movements out of a number areas toward Ukraine, and perhaps may change their focus on the relatively weakly-defended Russian Far East vice Taiwan.

Don't see Japan doing anything aggressive, unless Russia somehow just collapsed. Believe Georgia is in the same position as Japan.

Merely mobilizing reserves won't be enough. Russia will need to mobilize more trucks from the civilian economy, and believe they will need to draw more food, fuel, and supplies from the civilian economy. With a GDP as small as Russia's question how much can be diverted from the civilian sector to the military without causing hardships in the civilian sector. Could be Russia as a whole has little additional capacity remaining, what with the sanctions. Keep in mind graft and corruption has apparently resulted in insufficient war reserve stocks of food/fuel/ammo/supplies.

This war is now a grind. Ukraine only gets stronger, with the Lend-Lease coming in. The phrase from Winston Churchill, "Give us the tools and we will finish the job" comes to mind. The USA, NATO, maybe Japan and South Korea, and the EU apparently will have relatively few problems keeping Ukraine supplied. Their combined GDPs and transport capabilities very much dwarf Russia's. Question how quickly Russia can replace tank/truck/aircraft/helicopter losses. Doubt China will do much, if anything, to help make good Russian truck losses, which are more important than losing tanks/armored personnel carriers now.

Another piece of WW2 history comes to mind. Italy attacked Greece in 1940, made some inroads. Greeks pushed the Italians out of Greece and into Italian-controlled Albania. Italy started to eventually wear Greece down but in the end needed German help to defeat the Greeks.

Greco-Italian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://archive.ph/XWWWU

Apples and oranges? Not sure, but certainly worth considering.

 

[Beef Elemental]

 

[Feline Supremacist]

>Only source is RT
Wow, weren't you just talking about biased media earlier?

Spoiler: Yes you were

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There are other sources, and in this thread too about this particular missile hitting Donetsk, I just picked the handiest one; however, no one disputes the fact this happened. My issue is with mindless and his assumptions on strategy and figures regarding Russia that are based solely on speculation, eg, "More Russians died in this war than in WW2".

The other problem is Google, Yahoo, DDG and Bing are filtering out anything other than mainstream news sources, and I have not found any that are examining this incident; in fact its difficult to find any mention of it at all using those search engines.

You may decide to accept all, some or none of the conclusions in the RT article but the fact a missile was aimed at and was intercepted over Donetsk, and that at least 20 people died, and is not in dispute by any side.

 

[Rezza]

Agreed, he's been digging in further since before this even went hot. If Russia backs out without taking anything of note (eg Donbass) then he's gonna look like a bitch which I don't think he can take very well.

Yeah, he definitely did need to gain something, anything substantial really, to justify this war to both his allies and the Russian people

imagine russian performance being so sloppy you need to cope by claiming they’re false flags

Remember how back in January the shills and Putinbros are claiming "there won't be any invasion, its all just false flags by the West". Well, look where we are now...

The more I learn about Duginism the more I start connecting the dots on Russian, namely Putin's, moves over the last 15 years or so. Very much angled at getting the band back together and righting historical wrongs. This all fits into the much larger Russian mindset. This a video I found the other day that does a pretty good job of explaining how government in Russia works. How it has always worked.

It's got subtitles. There is a robo-dubbed version that can be found in the comments if you don't speak Finnish and don't want to read.

Seems like an interesting video, I'll watch it after this

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Also, the Ukrainian is now claiming that the Russian have been reinforced by 1000 volunteers from Army of Bashar Al-Assad and Hezbollah. You can't make this shit up

 

[Kenya Jones]

Ok guys, THIS is epic!

 

[mr.moon1488]

Also @Feline Supremacist , that RT article claims that the Russians do not use the Tochka systems anymore, but video has turned up of, guess what, of Russia having Tochkas in Belarus.

You do of course realize that there might be Belarusian military units in Belarus right?

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Not to mention the whole point of the "Russia is definitely losing guys!" is to lay the groundwork for a false flag. "The Russians were losing so badly that they just got frustrated and decided to gas a bunch of handicapped kindergarteners. Isn't that so evil America? Doesn't that make you want to go start a nuclear war?"

Only exceptionals think Russia is losing currently but look at it like this. Russia decided to invade the second largest country in Europe, that has a population of 40 million, is currently getting basically countless amounts of AT and AA missiles as well as small arms and ammunition poured into it, with an active army of around 200k with a reserve around the same size, and invaded with only in the realm of 175k troops.

The vast majority of Russia's gains were from the first week of the conflict, once the active personnel were deployed numbers became nearly equal which is bad news if you're planning an offensive, now imagine 50k troops from the reserve are deployed, sure they're not as combat effective as someone who was active personnel, but at the end of the day they passed boot camp and know how to shoot a weapon well and follow orders. Now Russia is outnumbered, they can't do an offensive without suffering major casualties and sooner or later they will have lost enough troops and equipment that any offensive on an entrenched position is doomed to failure.

The point is unless Russia sends more troops into Ukraine, it's basically impossible to for them to complete their objectives. You can't take a country that has somewhat peer weaponry and equipment the size of Ukraine's with only 175k troops. Assuming Russia sends more men, they will eventually capture Kiev, but you're joking if you think they can capture it without sending reinforcements.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

There are other sources, and in this thread too about this particular missile hitting Donetsk, I just picked the handiest one; however, no one disputes the fact this happened. My issue is with mindless and his assumptions on strategy and figures regarding Russia that are based solely on speculation, eg, "More Russians died in this war than in WW2".

The other problem is Google, Yahoo, DDG and Bing are filtering out anything other than mainstream news sources, and I have not found any that are examining this incident; in fact its difficult to find any mention of it at all using those search engines.

You may decide to accept all, some or none of the conclusions in the RT article but the fact a missile was aimed at and was intercepted over Donetsk, and that at least 20 people died, and is not in dispute by any side.

Weren't you also saying shit about people not posting proof earlier, too? Put your money where your mouth is, and post those other sources.

 

[Kenya Jones]

There are other sources, and in this thread too about this particular missile hitting Donetsk, I just picked the handiest one; however, no one disputes the fact this happened. My issue is with mindless and his assumptions on strategy and figures regarding Russia that are based solely on speculation, eg, "More Russians died in this war than in WW2".

I'm not the one coming up with that stuff, never talked about the death toll being higher than whatever crap.

The other problem is Google, Yahoo, DDG and Bing are filtering out anything other than mainstream news sources, and I have not found any that are examining this incident; in fact its difficult to find any mention of it at all using those search engines.

Yes that is obvious but also I was able to find a Guardian article on the strike. As we have talked about with every other thing happening with the war, it probably will not be until after (or if ever) the war that we will know the truth.

You may decide to accept all, some or none of the conclusions in the RT article but the fact a missile was aimed at and was intercepted over Donetsk, and that at least 20 people died, and is not in dispute by any side.

Agree

You do of course realize that there might be Belarusian military units in Belarus right?

There are videos from the east of Tochkas being used on Ukrainian positions, but are those false flags?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

You do realize a bunch of suitcase nukes are just missing.

Yes.


I do.

 

[Beef Elemental]

Ok guys, THIS is epic!

How absolutely DARE he rescue children from a war zone! Hopefully they were handed over to Azov for safe disposal.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I'm not the one coming up with that stuff, never talked about the death toll being higher than whatever crap.

Yes that is obvious but also I was able to find a Guardian article on the strike. As we have talked about with every other thing happening with the war, it probably will not be until after (or if ever) the war that we will know the truth.

Agree

There are videos from the east of Tochkas being used on Ukrainian positions, but are those false flags?

Yeah, nothing can be taken as truth, which was my point about those here using unverified sources to make such claims. It wasn't directed at you.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Ok guys, THIS is epic!

Oh God, it's Matt Shea and he's trying to run some Save The Children knock-off out of a garage in Florida. Words cannot describe how sketchy this is. The guy is a total crackpot rambling street preacher.

 

[borsabil]

Not to mention the whole point of the "Russia is definitely losing guys!" is to lay the groundwork for a false flag. "The Russians were losing so badly that they just got frustrated and decided to gas a bunch of handicapped kindergarteners. Isn't that so evil America? Doesn't that make you want to go start a nuclear war?"

Yes it seems like they're planning something.

The no fly zone is being binned by the burgers. They won't entertain the idea, which is at face value encouraging. But at the same time they're planting stories in the yellow press claiming that Putin is planning a WMD attack, chemical or biological, as he's getting desperate. The Russians can't lose in Ukraine as they've achieved air supremacy. Sure they can end up in a shitty quagmire but actually lose? Impossible. Which is why the clown Jew is sperging so hard about NATO intervention. So why are the burgers acting responsibly by refusing to fight the Russian air force but also lying about WMD use?

It makes sense if you consider that burger politicians and shot callers are almost all faggots obsessed with optics. No we will not go to war with Russia but the evil Russian Hitler has gassed Ukrainian children and now we have no choice. Please like and re-tweet.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Alright, hot take time.

NATO and the West are scapegoats for Putin, he has said numerous times and in writing, such as his fucking essay in mid 2021, meaning during planning and preparation stages of the invasion, that he believes Ukrainians and Russians are "one people" and that the Ukrainian state was only created by the Bolsheviks and has no right to exist.

The West, NATO, the EU, they mainly serve as a scapegoat here, the public causi belli, Putin wants to annex Ukraine just as he eventually will do for Belarus, because Putin thinks all lands that were once Russia's should remain Russia's, and Ukraine not being firmly planted into Russian influence and is in fact not firmly Russian aligned is unacceptable.

Why does Putin want to expand?

Well, one thing to note is Russia's paranoia.

Ivan the Terrible wanted to expand east because some decades before the Tatars burned Moscow to the ground and killed hundreds of thousands of Russians and one century later you find Cossacks on the borders of China.

And shortly after that the Polish are about to conquer the whole of Russia and impose Catholicism onto the Russian people . (with more than 1 million Russians dead by famine or war)

Poland is no more in the 19th century.

And there are more examples like that with the worst catastrophe in Russian history being WW2.

Every Russian leader after Ivan the terrible have wanted to prevent the catastrophes that have befallen Russia from repeating again.

Now I understand why Russia is always paranoid and always wants to expand but is that a good thing?

No, but Putin thinks that if the world has never been fair to Russia then why does Russia needs to be fair to the world?

 

[mr.moon1488]

I'm not the one coming up with that stuff, never talked about the death toll being higher than whatever crap.

Yes that is obvious but also I was able to find a Guardian article on the strike. As we have talked about with every other thing happening with the war, it probably will not be until after (or if ever) the war that we will know the truth.

Agree

There are videos from the east of Tochkas being used on Ukrainian positions, but are those false flags?

>There are videos from the east of Tochkas being used on Ukrainian positions, but are those false flags?
You're literally arguing right now that the Russians used Tochkas in Donetsk as a false flag while saying I'm making crazy false flag allegations.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Only exceptionals think Russia is losing currently but look at it like this. Russia decided to invade the second largest country in Europe, that has a population of 40 million, is currently getting basically countless amounts of AT and AA missiles as well as small arms and ammunition poured into it, with an active army of around 200k with a reserve around the same size, and invaded with only in the realm of 175k troops.

The vast majority of Russia's gains were from the first week of the conflict, once the active personnel were deployed numbers became nearly equal which is bad news if you're planning an offensive, now imagine 50k troops from the reserve are deployed, sure they're not as combat effective as someone who was active personnel, but at the end of the day they passed boot camp and know how to shoot a weapon well and follow orders. Now Russia is outnumbered, they can't do an offensive without suffering major casualties and sooner or later they will have lost enough troops and equipment that any offensive on an entrenched position is doomed to failure.

The point is unless Russia sends more troops into Ukraine, it's basically impossible to win. You can't take a country that has somewhat peer weaponry and equipment the size of Ukraine's with only 175k troops. Assuming Russia sends more men, they will eventually capture Kiev, but you're joking if you think they can capture it without sending reinforcements.

See I don't think their goal so far has to been to completely take the country and overthrow the government by force, I think they haven't gone full blitzkrieg because they want to starve out the government and get them into a position where they except the Russian demands. That might change but that seems what they've been doing so far. I would disagree with assessment also because a good chunk of Ukraine's army which happens to be their best soldiers are currently surrounded in both Mariupol and the broader Donbas. At least that's what I hear, could be wrong because of the fog of war etc. but if that is true, I think it'd be very hard for the Ukrainians to put up a harder resistance.

 

[The Good Nigger]

Ukraine distributes humanitarian aid to war-ravaged regions.

People get shipment, beging unpacking it.

Immediately turns out, some khohol already stole it.

The brickets were supposed to be margarine.

 

[JosephStalin]

More likely all those ELINT aircraft flying in nato countries airspace. You had best believe they're trying to listen in on everything they can for multiple reasons.

Believe me, you cannot conceive how busy so many intelligence agencies are right now, and have been since a certain amount of time before the war started. Absolutely sure the alphabet agencies in Washington are going all-out, and they command huge amounts of people and resources, not to mention all the Allies and associates. They are collecting a bonanza of all types of intelligence. You'll also have people at professional military education schools/institutes over much of the world also exhaustively studying what is going on. Remember being at an alphabet agency in 1994 when we thought we might fight North Korea. They were looking for every former Korean linguist possible that could be spared, regardless of rank or position. This newly-minted senior officer took his seat at a desk in the appropriate area and got to work on certain things, allowing the regular Korean linguists to work other stuff. Wasn't among many strangers; knew many of the guys and gals from two previous tours in Korea. Am sure the same is happening now re former Russian linguists, probably some people wearing many stripes, bars or oak leaves helping out.