Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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What the fuck is happening in the north?

Chernihiv is now encircled if we look at the map provided by Wikipedia.

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Depending on the source, Chernihiv has been encircled since the start of the war. I'm not certain what changed to make Wikipedia mark their map like that. Has there been any indication of an increased Russian troop presence south of Chernihiv?
 
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HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAAAAAY WITH IT! HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!
 
LMAO at the cope roads. Sure, Russia only seized long narrow corridors alongside major roads and they definitely don’t have control of anything but the road.
I understand why they have it marked like that. There's likely no Russian or Ukrainian troops in the countryside that they have marked as Ukrainian, and they only marked territory with a confirmed Russian troop presence.
 
King Nigger's Nobel has to be one of the lowest point of the Peace Award history.
I'm not sure how you can say that when it was just years prior to that that Yasser Arafat (and Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres) got a Nobel Peace Prize for literally being a terrorist which he remained until his dying day.
 
Some funny news out of Canada: Castro Jr. donated so much military equipment to Ukraine that his Defence Minister was forced to admit they "exhausted inventory from the Canadian Armed Forces" and that "there are capacity issues".
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Does this mean that the CAF are ripe for the picking?

 
Depending on the source, Chernihiv has been encircled since the start of the war. I'm not certain what changed to make Wikipedia mark their map like that. Has there been any indication of an increased Russian troop presence south of Chernihiv?

I remember that Chernihiv was not completely surrounded on the map that was updated 1-2 days ago.
 
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Some funny news out of Canada: Castro Jr. donated so much military equipment to Ukraine that his Defence Minister was forced to admit they "exhausted inventory from the Canadian Armed Forces" and that "there are capacity issues".
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Well they did need an excuse to update equipment regardless, this looks like a good reason to slip a few other procurement items in. From what I've heard a lot of their airforce is pretty old.
 
Well it's also a vast misunderstanding of russias economy. Yeah, it's not the greatest, but it's still pretty diversified, and has good manufacturing capabilities and resources.
I dunno about that. They have resources and heavy industry. But stuff like electronics both hardware and software are imports. Same with durable consumer goods like white goods and automobiles. They had most of their auto industry shut down because it relies on euro import parts for powertrain.

Autarky would mean having to build entire industries from scratch likely requiring tooling and technology that they also have to make from scratch. It's not as simple as just flipping from making tractors to cars. Then you have to wonder where all the money to fund these capital investments comes from when everyone is broke because their main industry oil & gas got shit on in the world market.
This isn't Iraq where they had exactly one resource and have to depend on that.
Eh... they kinda are. They trade petroleum for key technology and components that allows them to "make" items there. Chip manufacturing, for example. They really can't do that one in-house. Not well anyways.
 
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Autarky would mean having to build entire industries from scratch likely requiring tooling and technology that they also have to make from scratch. It's not as simple as just flipping from making tractors to cars. Then you have to wonder where all the money to fund these capital investments comes from when everyone is broke because their main industry oil & gas got shit on in the world market.
Not that hard to switch production lines, just gotta move your sliders around a bit. Takes about a minute.
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Autarky would mean having to build entire industries from scratch likely requiring tooling and technology that they also have to make from scratch.
they had the ability to manufacture near everything as recent as 30 years ago.
reactivating it all and bringing it up to more modern standars will be difficult, but not impossible, and they're capable of doing it i think.
the question is whether they also have the political will to do it, because it will come with very real costs and significant reduction in prosperity and quality of life. we will see if putins state is resilient and powerful enough to push this without getting toppled by potential backlash.

a big factor in whether the nation will be willing to shoulder these burdens is the outcome of the war. if they achieve something that can be portrayed as a glorious victory for the russian people, then they might be able to do it. but if they get a humiliating defeat instead it's gonna be very difficult to convince the people that they have to suffer and sacrifice for decades in order to make up for the damage caused by putins failed attempt at emulating alexander the great lol
 
Some funny news out of Canada: Castro Jr. donated so much military equipment to Ukraine that his Defence Minister was forced to admit they "exhausted inventory from the Canadian Armed Forces" and that "there are capacity issues".
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Imagine if Canada as an economy and country just collapses because they send all their shit to Ukraine and then Putin takes Ukraine anyway and has a ton of new Canadian supplied equipment. The Ukraine would be a small price to pay to get rid of Canada.
 
I dunno about that. They have resources and heavy industry. But stuff like electronics both hardware and software are imports. Same with durable consumer goods like white goods and automobiles. They had most of their auto industry shut down because it relies on euro import parts for powertrain.

Autarky would mean having to build entire industries from scratch likely requiring tooling and technology that they also have to make from scratch. It's not as simple as just flipping from making tractors to cars. Then you have to wonder where all the money to fund these capital investments comes from when everyone is broke because their main industry oil & gas got shit on in the world market.

Eh... they kinda are. They trade petroleum for key technology and components that allows them to "make" items there. Chip manufacturing, for example. They really can't do that one in-house. Not well anyways.
I'm not saying it would be easy, or that they would be making top quality products. However, they can make "good enough" products. At the end of the day, all the bells and whistles on a lot of the stuff we use are nice, but hardly essential. They could for example go back to making pos ladas for the domestic market. Also they have way more strategic materials than just oil, titanium is a big one for example.
 
they had the ability to manufacture near everything as recent as 30 years ago.
reactivating it all and bringing it up to more modern standars will be difficult, but not impossible, and they're capable of doing it i think.
the question is whether they also have the political will to do it, because it will come with very real costs and significant reduction in prosperity and quality of life. we will see if putins state is resilient and powerful enough to push this without getting toppled by potential backlash.

a big factor in whether the nation will be willing to shoulder these burdens is the outcome of the war. if they achieve something that can be portrayed as a glorious victory for the russian people, then they might be able to do it. but if they get a humiliating defeat instead it's gonna be very difficult to convince the people that they have to suffer and sacrifice for decades in order to make up for the damage caused by putins failed attempt at emulating alexander the great lol
What makes you think that people need to be convinced?

All Putin has to do is inform the population that the ration of chocolate has been increased to 22 grams from last week's 25, make sure his enforcer corps (Rosgvardia) gets enough special priviledges at the expense of everybody else, and televise the unwavering support from his 20% patriotic boomer population who will cheer him up because it's just like WW2, the most heroic moment in Russia's history.

I have no idea where you people keep getting fancy ideas that government can be toppled by civil unrest. Doing so would require conscious effort to dismantle said government from the top like Gorbachev did back in the day, otherwise the police state keeps policing the unrest away.

And no, "they cannot imprison us all" bullshit does not work because they bloody well can and there will always be 20%-30% loyalist population that cheers the repressions on because they hate "traitors to the nation", "youtube influencers" and "the fifth column" who do not buy the entire RUSSIA STRONK, RUSSIA BEST Juche-style government propaganda. The government is competent enough to drive the wedge between the strata of its own people, it is a trick straight from Stalin's playbook (see Doctors' plot).
 
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