Way to miss the point, you said they were egg cartons. It's not news that Russian tanks are pretty much entirely ineffective against modern anti-tank weapons.
Yet our alphabet agencies were really stunned after the dissolution of the USSR about their military capabilities and materiel, strategy and overall defensive posture. Robert Gates said most of the glowie assumptions about the USSR were wrong. They're people, like us, who aren't always right, or come to the right conclusions.
Part of the problem was our Intel was actually good, we were getting the same reports their leaders were. Those reports however were full of shit.
yeah it’s a good anecdote, but anyone treating it seriously is reddit tier lol
They are the most white country on earth.
Nah, our glowies were shocked after the USSR broke up and they saw who, like Ukraine, got to keep what. Which agencies and departments reorganized. For example, they were shocked at the size, scope and capabilities of the Soviet bioweapons apparatus. It wasn't that we didn't know, we just didn't have solid details, and in war the devil is in the details.
I meant more in terms of general production outputs. One other thing I've heard is that a big part of our misreading of the soviet union was due to the state department being filled with ivy league types who were rather fond of communism, so they tending to make more positive assumptions about how well it worked, as well as how happy people were with it.
Didn't help anytime those ivy league types went to the USSR they where drinking themselves blind.
I will remember until the day I die - just how quickly and effortlessly the Levant media was able to switch the plebs' attention from ""Global extinction event COVID"" to ""Russia is Bad 24/7"". They say ignorance is bliss, but I disagree. I'll take being jaded over being a brainwashed slug any day.
A big part of our misreading was, and is, confirmation bias, like X says Y is true, so it must be true, and you contradict him at your own peril. It was an old boys Ivy League/Oxbridge club and disregarded anything outside that bubble, which ironically led to it being infiltrated. The VENONA Project is a good example. Angleton was a rabid anti-communist yet refused to believe Philby was a spy despite solid evidence and proof.
Every person in Russia is bad and needs to be punished but the people who protested in Moscow are all stunning and brave, but if they want to use Pornhub and Netflix then tough titty they should of been born Syrian.
I am holding out hope that people get slapped hard in the face with this reality. But I doubt it. I was never a "the media is conspiring" conspiracy nut, but I figured I knew what was going on. Mostly I didn't bother listening, I knew it was BS. Russiagate\Trump years had me wondering what the fuck, are they actually doing this? Covid woke me up, and the BlueFlagForLife War Forever bullshit nailed the coffin shut. Most people on this planet are either brainwashed retards, or full blown retards. There is no grey area.
Yeah, Philby also had the whole British class system to help him out there as well. He was far from the only one. Cold War espionage was a cluster fuck, and definitely one area the soviets surpassed us in most of the time.
