Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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Okay. So they sacrificed a generation of men to kill some honorary NATOryans then
Depending on Russia’s ultimate goals it could amount to large scale territorial expansion, the addition of several new puppet states, and/or the complete annihilation of a hostile regime on their doorstep. Let’s not pretend that Russia doesn’t have an upside in this conflict.
 
Sure, and a meteor might hit the Kremlin tomorrow. I don't think these things are going to really happen.
Ok, Russia having fucked logistics and being right now most sanctioned nation on earth is news to you, or you just don't understand the effect of those?
 
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the Tank was developed right before the concept of mechanized infantry as a desperate attempt to solve the whole "get soldiers across no man's land alive" situation. even afterwards it was rarely better than mechanized infantry in most situations, outside of being a great show of force, light infantry is always the correct answer. for fucks sake if the defense contractors weren't the ones making the decisions it should have still been obvious when the bugs fought the US to a stalemate in korea.
Which is why I have always been on team light infantry. Tanks are imposing, but even the US found out to its detriment they are useless without a swarm of light infantry around them to keep the enemy away from them. Which sort of defeats their advantages. Which is the whole mechanized advance thing. The idea of the armored spearhead is nice and all, but IMO, all Tanks offer is artillery support. Which would be better served by, well, actual artillery. Mechanized (and Armored) artillery behind the infantry line that is capable of responding to fire requests from the front. That is where any expensive Armored unit needs to be.

The advent of the Javeline and the NLAW pretty much ends the argument. The idea that any retard grunt holding a 50,000 dollar missile can destroy a multimillion dollar tank should send shivers through any procurement officers spine. Its being done wholesale in this war.
 
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Depending on Russia’s ultimate goals it could amount to large scale territorial expansion, the addition of several new puppet states, and/or the complete annihilation of a hostile regime on their doorstep. Let’s not pretend that Russia doesn’t have an upside in this conflict.
Those come with their own problems though. Russia already had Crimea, and the Donbass Republics in the bag. They didn't need a war for those. Annexing more territory would mean annexing territory which carries heavy anti Russian sentiments. The more territory they take the more people who would be willing to fight in an insurgency they would be turning into Russian citizens. Zelensky and his government was supposed to be the "moderate" option. The next two political candidates with the most support were anti russian nationalists. There is not a strong foundation for a pro russian government in Kiev. That would require either permanent occupation or just accepting that the Ukrainians seize back control as soon as the Russians leave.
The Russians have done well to create their own problems up to this point. I guess no Russian commander would have guessed back in 1946 that they would have to fight slavic nazis in Kiev just half a century later. This war just seems to add unto the problems they're creating for themselves. With their current demographics problems and rising separatist sentiments in their remote territories it seems dangerous to add millions of angry hohols
 
It's also not being forgotten that Ukrainian losses are likely just as high, if not higher.
They're not necessarily as high. I ran across an interesting twitter thread from a retired US general earlier today about the issue of Russian losses and his opinion on the subject. The short of it being that in his judgment, most of the vehicles that Russia's using are death traps if they get hit. While Ukraine's using a lot of the same shit, they're the ones using infantry with anti-tank rockets to blow up vehicles which will usually contain multiple people that'll be injured or killed. He also thinks Ukraine's better able to treat and evacuate its wounded than Russia is. If his opinion is accurate, it would certainly explain quite a bit about why estimates of Russia's military losses have ranged so much higher than estimates of Ukraine's military losses.

So it's quite possible for Ukraine's military losses to be much lower than Russia's simply as a matter of how they're fighting. Ukraine can lose one or two guys per vehicle destroyed by infantry weapons, and still come out ahead.
 
Yes, China has the same problem Germany has, it has to import its energy to maintain its industry.

Interesting... Do you think there's a nearby country that might want to sell them this energy? Others in this thread would have me believe there is not.

Which is why I have always been on team light infantry. Tanks are imposing, but even the US found out to its detriment they are useless without a swarm of light infantry around them to keep the enemy away from them. Which sort of defeats their advantages. Which is the whole mechanized advance thing. The idea of the armored spearhead is nice and all, but IMO, all Tanks offer is artillery support. Which would be better served by, well, actual artillery. Mechanized (and Armored) artillery behind the infantry line that is capable of responding to fire requests from the front. That is where any expensive Armored unit needs to be.

The advent of the Javeline and the NLAW pretty much ends the argument. The idea that any retard grunt holding a 50,000 dollar missile can destroy a multimillion dollar tank should send shivers through any procurement officers spine. Its being done wholesale in this war.

The HEAT shell did the same thing, but designs adapted to counter this development. I see little reason the same is not true of Javelins/NLAWs/Starstreaks.
 
They're not necessarily as high. I ran across an interesting twitter thread from a retired US general earlier today about the issue of Russian losses and his opinion on the subject. The short of it being that in his judgment, most of the vehicles that Russia's using are death traps if they get hit. While Ukraine's using a lot of the same shit, they're the ones using infantry with anti-tank rockets to blow up vehicles which will usually contain multiple people that'll be injured or killed. He also thinks Ukraine's better able to treat and evacuate its wounded than Russia is. If his opinion is accurate, it would certainly explain quite a bit about why estimates of Russia's military losses have ranged so much higher than estimates of Ukraine's military losses.

So it's quite possible for Ukraine's military losses to be much lower than Russia's simply as a matter of how they're fighting. Ukraine can lose one or two guys per vehicle destroyed by infantry weapons, and still come out ahead.
There is also just the general truism of war that the defender by default takes fewer losses then the attacker.
 
They're not necessarily as high. I ran across an interesting twitter thread from a retired US general earlier today about the issue of Russian losses and his opinion on the subject. The short of it being that in his judgment, most of the vehicles that Russia's using are death traps if they get hit. While Ukraine's using a lot of the same shit, they're the ones using infantry with anti-tank rockets to blow up vehicles which will usually contain multiple people that'll be injured or killed. He also thinks Ukraine's better able to treat and evacuate its wounded than Russia is. If his opinion is accurate, it would certainly explain quite a bit about why estimates of Russia's military losses have ranged so much higher than estimates of Ukraine's military losses.

So it's quite possible for Ukraine's military losses to be much lower than Russia's simply as a matter of how they're fighting. Ukraine can lose one or two guys per vehicle destroyed by infantry weapons, and still come out ahead.
I'm using my autistic armchair general powers to assess that even though the Ukrainians likely aren't losing as many people in tanks and trucks, they're likely losing more men to Russian artillery. Of course tank crews are more valuable than infantry grunts. So I'm sure someone will eventually have to calculate what the tactical gains and losses were.
 
Militarily, all Russia needs to do is keep wrecking shit until Zelensky cucks out. It's a war of attrition now.

Admittedly I don't see Zelensky ever cucking out. The guy seems as though he's actively trying to increase civilian casualties in order to try and draw NATO into the war. I think the only thing that will make Zelensky himself surrender "officially" is him being personally captured or something.
 
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