Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[The Ugly One]

It's really surreal watching the left use the rhetoric of 19th-century nationalist firebrands while simultaneously insisting nationalism is evil. One could argue that national consciousness has arisen in a distinct group of people with a diverging heritage and ethnic character from Russians over the last century, but liberals abhor such talk; that's "ethno-nationalism," and only Nazis believe in that stuff. Who are the Ukrainians? What is Ukraine? Why is it this territory, and not a larger or smaller one? For the people who have lit up their social media with blue and yellow, it goes no deeper than, 'The UN decided on these borders, that makes this a nation, that makes it something the people living there should unite and fight to defend."

Just for the fun of it, here's the map of Europe in 1914 (note the conspicuous non-existence of Ukraine, Poland, and a number of other countries):

 

[Kane Lives]

It's really surreal watching the left use the rhetoric of 19th-century nationalist firebrands while simultaneously insisting nationalism is evil. One could argue that national consciousness has arisen in a distinct group of people with a diverging heritage and ethnic character from Russians over the last century, but liberals abhor such talk; that's "ethno-nationalism," and only Nazis believe in that stuff. Who are the Ukrainians? What is Ukraine? Why is it this territory, and not a larger or smaller one? For the people who have lit up their social media with blue and yellow, it goes no deeper than, 'The UN decided on these borders, that makes this a nation, that makes it something the people living there should unite and fight to defend."

Just for the fun of it, here's the map of Europe in 1914 (note the conspicuous non-existence of Ukraine, Poland, and a number of other countries):

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Even that map is misleading. It'd be folly to think Austria-Hungary is one big uniform country, when in reality the Dual Monarchy was a collection of Habsburg possessions and other conquests, all merely united in the person of the Franz Joseph. Similar with Germany, which is more of a large confederation of German states led by a supersized Prussia.

 

[Pentaborane]

Flight update 2022-03-23 14:23 CET:

- RC-135W, C-12, E-8 and a tanker all over Lublin at the same time. The E-8 has just landed.
- E-3 over Romania.
- C-12 over Lithuania.

 

[The Ugly One]

Even that map is misleading. It'd be folly to think Austria-Hungary is one big uniform country, when in reality the Dual Monarchy was a collection of Habsburg possessions and other conquests, all merely united in the person of the Franz Joseph. Similar with Germany, which is more of a large confederation of German states led by a supersized Prussia.

Yes, those multi-ethnic superstates didn't last long. Don't ask why. Only Nazis ask why. What are you, a racist? Slava Ukrainia!

 

[just a banana]

It's not really about the ruble but it's because the USA forces every country to pay for oil in dollars and this since the early 1970s. Hence the name petrodollar.
Russia breaking this after 50 years is indeed a very big deal.

A few days ago the Chinese and Arabians were talking about making deals in yuan, so I wonder if the Russians are trying to get in early before ending up using petroyuan.

 

[biozeminadae1]

Relations between the two aren't nearly as cold as they used to be. The mutual excommunications that officially started the whole schism where lifted in 1965 by Pope St. Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I. The Orthodox have valid sacraments which can be received by Catholics, and valid Apostolic Succession. Remember, we're not working with ordinary human time scales here. These things take centuries to develop. Sure, we likely won't see reconciliation in our lifetimes, but who knows (other than Our Lord Himself) what might happen centuries into the future. Of course there are still many, many stumbling blocks that must be overcome.

If we manage to last that long.

The Patriarch of Constantinople doesn't decide what the Patriarch of Russia or of Bulgaria does. The Orthodox don't have a sole Patriarch, like the Roman Pope.

 

[Lone MacReady]

Russian info so take it as you want.
It's a matter of time before Kiev is fully surrounded.

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In the mean time almost 2 million of it's 3 million inhabitants have left the city. The rest if forced to stay and they get bombarded by the Russians from time to time.

Is there a way to supply the city from the water? Not like it matters.

 

[RedDelicious]

It's really surreal watching the left use the rhetoric of 19th-century nationalist firebrands while simultaneously insisting nationalism is evil. One could argue that national consciousness has arisen in a distinct group of people with a diverging heritage and ethnic character from Russians over the last century, but liberals abhor such talk; that's "ethno-nationalism," and only Nazis believe in that stuff. Who are the Ukrainians? What is Ukraine? Why is it this territory, and not a larger or smaller one? For the people who have lit up their social media with blue and yellow, it goes no deeper than, 'The UN decided on these borders, that makes this a nation, that makes it something the people living there should unite and fight to defend."

Just for the fun of it, here's the map of Europe in 1914 (note the conspicuous non-existence of Ukraine, Poland, and a number of other countries):

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Except Ukraine was a founding member of the UN and the borders were decided via treaty. I think it really just comes down to-
1. Ukrainians clearly don't want to be part of Russia as much as Russia claims they do
2. Many Ukrainians have taken up arms to defend the country and their independence
I know your average normie only knows as much about world history as they read on a snapple cap, but it's not a huge leap of logic.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

His retardedness of assessing Russia's threat to Ukraine is countered by his non-retardedness in getting the fuck out of a warzone and preserving his life.

This is going to be incredibly raw for him but the fact his decision has protected his life is something that's going to take a while to process. Ideally there's not a single thing he could have done to change what's going on in Ukraine but this way he stays alive.

Well, you can tell by the way he use his walk
He's a Ukie man, no time to talk
Music loud, ushankas warm, he's been kicked around
Since he was born
And now it's alright, it's okay
And you may look the other way
We can try to understand
The New York Times' effect on man

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother Vince is stayin alive, stayin alive.

Kiwi Farms is breakin and everybody shakin
And Vince's stayin alive, stayin alive

but in the long term i think it's inconsequential.

In the long term, everything is inconsequential.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Even though "Ukraine is gonna do a total victory!" cope is hilarious. The Vatnik cope is giving it a run for it's money at this point.

 

[The Ugly One]

Except Ukraine was a founding member of the UN and the borders were decided via treaty.

What is this an exception to? What did I say that this contradicts?

 

[Uncle Buck]

His retardedness of assessing Russia's threat to Ukraine is countered by his non-retardedness in getting the fuck out of a warzone and preserving his life.

This is going to be incredibly raw for him but the fact his decision has protected his life is something that's going to take a while to process.

All shit-posting and puffery aside, I have nothing personal against him or any Ukrainian citizen that's suffered a loss from this conflict.

That aside, I find it increasingly impossible to have any sympathy for him whatsoever. He's probably the loudest of the Ukrofascist coup regime apologists commenting here [despite being incredibly ignorant/willfully misled/dishonest], BAWWWing constantly about the "cowardly" advance of the Mongoloid Russians, while "bravely" running East to avoid it.

I don't wish ill on him, but he couldn't be a bigger hypocrite.

 

[Meat Target]

Except Ukraine was a founding member of the UN and the borders were decided via treaty.

I don't mean to be pedantic, but I presume you mean the Ukrainian SSR, which was part of the greater Soviet Union? Isn't that like saying Texas was also a founder of the UN because it's part of the US?

 

[RedDelicious]

What is this an exception to? What did I say that this contradicts?

Ukraine established the UN, not the other way around. The UN is a powerless boogeyman that has no power to recognize a state or government on it's own- it's literally written into its constitution. It's just a playground for countries to push each other around on because that's preferable to nukes flying.

I don't mean to be pedantic, but I presume you mean the Ukrainian SSR, which was part of the greater Soviet Union? Isn't that like saying Texas was also a founder of the UN because it's part of the US?

You're not entirely wrong, but the relationship of countries that were in the USSR to states in the US are more different than they are similar, and Ukraine actually did sign the UN charter as an independent, not just as an assumed partner of the USSR.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

It's really surreal watching the left use the rhetoric of 19th-century nationalist firebrands while simultaneously insisting nationalism is evil. One could argue that national consciousness has arisen in a distinct group of people with a diverging heritage and ethnic character from Russians over the last century, but liberals abhor such talk; that's "ethno-nationalism," and only Nazis believe in that stuff. Who are the Ukrainians? What is Ukraine? Why is it this territory, and not a larger or smaller one? For the people who have lit up their social media with blue and yellow, it goes no deeper than, 'The UN decided on these borders, that makes this a nation, that makes it something the people living there should unite and fight to defend."

Just for the fun of it, here's the map of Europe in 1914 (note the conspicuous non-existence of Ukraine, Poland, and a number of other countries):

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I think the most damning part of that map is how the United Kingdom shrank in size to less than half of its size here.

 

[Wy4M]

A few days ago the Chinese and Arabians were talking about making deals in yuan, so I wonder if the Russians are trying to get in early before ending up using petroyuan.

Might also be related.
Fact is that it will cause further frictions within NATO/EU.
Germany for example buys about 70-80% of it's gas from Russia, paid for that in dollars before but now has to pay for that in rubble.

I guess the USA will now order Germany to get its gas from other places that still accept dollars but currently that's only gas that has to be shipped in containers.
In order to do that they first have to liquify that gas (extra cost) put it in containers (extra cost), put it on a ship (extra cost), sail over the ocean(yep, indeed but also very slow), unload it and so on and so on...
Compare that to just transporting gas through a pipe where you just have to open a few valves.
So gas prices will increase; I don't know exactly by how much. I guess 4-6 times? more? But people in Europe will be pissed off. That's for sure.

Edit - it seems that lots of gas is also paid in Euros. depends on the contract
Oil is being paid in dollars. Mixed that up, my bad.

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

Might also be related.
Fact is that it will cause further frictions within NATO/EU.
Germany for example buys about 70-80% of it's gas from Russia, paid for that in dollars before but now has to pay for that in rubble.

I guess the USA will now order Germany to get its gas from other places that still accept dollars but currently that's only gas that has to be shipped in containers.
In order to do that they first have to liquify that gas (extra cost) put it in containers (extra cost), put it on a ship (extra cost), sail over the ocean(yep, indeed but also very slow), unload it and so on and so on...
Compare that to just transporting gas through a pipe where you just have to open a few valves.
So gas prices will increase; I don't know exactly by how much. I guess 4-6 times? more? But people in Europe will be pissed off. That's for sure.

Better to be pissed off than pissed on. Oh, wait, I forgot we were talking about ze Germans

 

[The Ugly One]

Ukraine established the UN, not the other way around.

The UN was formed in part to define the borders of the postwar world. You're playing with words here and not making any kind of useful point or contradicting anything I said.

 

[Male Idiot]

Might also be related.
Fact is that it will cause further frictions within NATO/EU.
Germany for example buys about 70-80% of it's gas from Russia, paid for that in dollars before but now has to pay for that in rubble.

I guess the USA will now order Germany to get its gas from other places that still accept dollars but currently that's only gas that has to be shipped in containers.
In order to do that they first have to liquify that gas (extra cost) put it in containers (extra cost), put it on a ship (extra cost), sail over the ocean(yep, indeed but also very slow), unload it and so on and so on...
Compare that to just transporting gas through a pipe where you just have to open a few valves.
So gas prices will increase; I don't know exactly by how much. I guess 4-6 times? more? But people in Europe will be pissed off. That's for sure.

Edit - it seems that lots of gas is also paid in Euros. depends on the contract
Oil is being paid in dollars. Mixed that up, my bad.

They will give Israel's pet the money and the goyim will like it!

How would tankers hold up to hypersonic missiles?

 

[Marley Rathbone]

All shit-posting and puffery aside, I have nothing personal against him or any Ukrainian citizen that's suffered a loss from this conflict.

That aside, I find it increasingly impossible to have any sympathy for him whatsoever. He's probably the loudest of the Ukrofascist coup regime apologists commenting here [despite being incredibly ignorant/willfully misled/dishonest], BAWWWing constantly about the "cowardly" advance of the Mongoloid Russians, while "bravely" running East to avoid it.

I don't wish ill on him, but he couldn't be a bigger hypocrite.

Zelensky has already offered up the lives of all his subjects and forced them to make molotov cocktails because poking the bear for two decades has finally led to this.