General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Caramelo]

I don’t like this idea that it is naturally a mental illness, gender dysphoria is a real thing and there absolutely are some people who have transitioned and are happier and more accepted in their new body then when they were in their previous form.

If gender dysphoria is real, then it has to be as a mental illness. Mental illness IS a real thing.
Can't say a person that chop parts of his healthy body off and inject chemicals to fit a fantasy is sane. And yes, extreme body modders and plastic surgery addicts are insane.

 

[thegooddoctor]

If gender dysphoria is real, then it has to be as a mental illness. Mental illness IS a real thing.
Can't say a person that chop parts of his healthy body off and inject chemicals to fit a fantasy is sane. And yes, extreme body modders and plastic surgery addicts are insane.

In some regards yes, but there are legitimate trans people who have transitioned and don’t pretend like they are real women or men, they acknowledge that it just a facade and they won’t truly be the sex they want but that this is the absolute best that they can have so are willing to be happy with that. The people that have full on cheek in injections, full for tam face surgeries, butt and breast implants to make their tits so big you’d swear it was just a wad of fat are those with actual mental health problems.

 

[Caramelo]

In some regards yes, but there are legitimate trans people who have transitioned and don’t pretend like they are real women or men, they acknowledge that it just a facade and they won’t truly be the sex they want but that this is the absolute best that they can have so are willing to be happy with that. The people that have full on cheek in injections, full for tam face surgeries, butt and breast implants to make their tits so big you’d swear it was just a wad of fat are those with actual mental health problems.

Yes, there are a few trannies that seem sane. Yet I can't see them in a much better light than the full psychotic ones, but that is mostly because it goes heavily against my personal philosophy/religion - which isn't the topic.

But anyway, I see the sane trannies a lot like the plastic surgery addicts: They both suffer disphoria, and goes into procedures after procedures, trying to carve a perfect body but only falling into the grotesque. Mental illness? The symptom of one? None of those? With gender disphoria we can't be sure because any serious study about it is shut down. I don't know if there are studies about plastic surgery addicts.

I don't know if you had already answered it, but if transsexualism isn't an mental illness or a symptom of one then what is it? A type of personality?

 

[gang weeder]

In some regards yes, but there are legitimate trans people who have transitioned and don’t pretend like they are real women or men, they acknowledge that it just a facade and they won’t truly be the sex they want but that this is the absolute best that they can have so are willing to be happy with that. The people that have full on cheek in injections, full for tam face surgeries, butt and breast implants to make their tits so big you’d swear it was just a wad of fat are those with actual mental health problems.

>legitimate trans people who have transitioned

Contradiction in terms.

Yes, there are a few trannies that seem sane. Yet I can't see them in a much better light than the full psychotic ones, but that is mostly because it goes heavily against my personal philosophy/religion - which isn't the topic.

But anyway, I see the sane trannies a lot like the plastic surgery addicts: They both suffer disphoria, and goes into procedures after procedures, trying to carve a perfect body but only falling into the grotesque. Mental illness? The symptom of one? None of those? With gender disphoria we can't be sure because any serious study about it is shut down. I don't know if there are studies about plastic surgery addicts.

I don't know if you had already answered it, but if transsexualism isn't an mental illness or a symptom of one then what is it? A type of personality?

This. The "sane tranny" is akin to a functional alcoholic. An individual's impressive ability to manage a problem does not mean that the problem is not a problem. It just means they're good at keeping their shit together in spite of having it.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Why has there been such a fixation on "gender" and "respecting preferred pronouns" in mainstream Current Year "society"?

It's like "otherkin" going mainstream, and it became "hate speech" to not acknowledge what the "otherkin" identifies as.

 

[gang weeder]

Why has there been such a fixation on "gender" and "respecting preferred pronouns" in mainstream Current Year "society"?

It's like "otherkin" going mainstream, and it became "hate speech" to not acknowledge what the "otherkin" identifies as.

Because the progressive ideology must always progress onto a new oppression to "overcome" and this is the one they've made up to struggle against currently. If they're ever able to "win" on the trans issue another form of degeneracy will come down the pipe next, it'll be fighting for the rights of zoophiles, or pedophiles, or trans-racial people, or etc.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Because the progressive ideology must always progress onto a new oppression to "overcome" and this is the one they've made up to struggle against currently.

this quote keeps being relevant:

"If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss."

 

[Piss Bear]

While we’re bringing up new topics this occurred to me while daydreaming…

Is there ever going to be an accurate anatomical depiction for a neovagina or neophallus? They all are so different. What the hell are they teaching gynecologists and andrologists? Who is going to treat this inevitable suffering group of people with monstrosities between their legs, besides the grim reaper?

And finally, what would no-bullshit honest doctors call these neovaginas and neophalluses? They are extremely unnatural wounds, no other way to look at it. So… what are they? What classification of wound?

I have so many questions about this shit and I know there aren’t really any answers. The SRS thread is so morbidly fascinating.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The SRS thread is so morbidly fascinating.

When I first found out about "SRS" - years before Current Year - it felt creepy and fake to me then.

Back then mainstream media could still portray the "transgender" as crazy without being "cancelled".

Marge: I'm afraid we're going to need a bigger house.
Homer: No, we won't. I've got it all figured out. The baby can have Bart's crib and Bart'll sleep with us until he's 21.
Marge: Won't that warp him?
Homer: My cousin Frank did it.
Marge: You don't have a cousin Frank.
Homer: He became Francine back in '76. Then he joined that cult. I think his name is Mother Shabubu now.
Marge: [annoyed groan]

 

[gang weeder]

While we’re bringing up new topics this occurred to me while daydreaming…

Is there ever going to be an accurate anatomical depiction for a neovagina or neophallus? They all are so different. What the hell are they teaching gynecologists and andrologists? Who is going to treat this inevitable suffering group of people with monstrosities between their legs, besides the grim reaper?

And finally, what would no-bullshit honest doctors call these neovaginas and neophalluses? They are extremely unnatural wounds, no other way to look at it. So… what are they? What classification of wound?

I have so many questions about this shit and I know there aren’t really any answers. The SRS thread is so morbidly fascinating.

No idea but if you want a notion of how it might go, look at how lobotomies have been treated since we broadly figured out that they were a Bad Thing. I think tranny surgeries will eventually be viewed that way, though how long we'll take to realize the mistake is anyone's guess. Unfortunately trannyshit is a lot more tied up in politics than lobotomies were, so probably it'll take a long, long time and generational changes.

 

[Large]

While we’re bringing up new topics this occurred to me while daydreaming…

Is there ever going to be an accurate anatomical depiction for a neovagina or neophallus? They all are so different. What the hell are they teaching gynecologists and andrologists? Who is going to treat this inevitable suffering group of people with monstrosities between their legs, besides the grim reaper?

And finally, what would no-bullshit honest doctors call these neovaginas and neophalluses? They are extremely unnatural wounds, no other way to look at it. So… what are they? What classification of wound?

SRS surgeons apparently classify neovaginas as neocavities. (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1553465020301205)

Spoiler: Text

Study Objective: Insufficient penile skin is common during vaginoplasty for male-to-
female transition. This issue may be compensated via a scrotal skin flap, with the
drawback of hair growth [1]. In recent studies, Nile tilapia skin was successfully used
for surgical management of Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser syndrome [2,3] and
vaginal stenosis [4,5]. The present study aims to describe a novel technique for primary
vaginoplasty in male-to-female gender-affirming surgery using Nile tilapia skin as a
biocompatible graft to assure adequate vaginal depth.
Design: Stepwise demonstration of the procedure with narrated video footage.
Setting: Transgender health clinic.
Interventions: A 29-year-old patient with gender dysphoria was referred to our office
due to desire for gender-affirming surgery. Physical examination revealed normal male
genitalia with a 14 cm long penis. Before surgery, Institutional Review Board approval
and written permission from the patient were obtained. After orchiectomy, penile
disassembly, perineal dissection, and urethroplasty were performed, a hollow Nile
tilapia skin mold was prepared and sutured to the distal edge of the remaining penile
skin. This structure was inverted, covering the newly created canal. The neocavity was
then filled with a handmade inflatable vaginal mold, held in place by sutures in the labia
majora. Finally, labiaplasty and clitoroplasty were conducted. After 7 days, the
inflatable mold was removed and use of progressively larger dilators was initiated. After
3 weeks, a neovagina 16 cm long and able to accommodate the width of two fingers
was detected. At that time, Nile tilapia skin was completely reabsorbed into the
neovaginal mucosa. There were no complications in the early post-surgical period.
Conclusion: Nile tilapia skin, a safe, low cost and easy-to-use biocompatible material,
may be an alternative option to scrotal skin grafts for neovaginal augmentation in
primary vaginoplasty for male-to-female gender transition. However, further studies are
needed to confirm this assertive.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

While we’re bringing up new topics this occurred to me while daydreaming…

Is there ever going to be an accurate anatomical depiction for a neovagina or neophallus? They all are so different. What the hell are they teaching gynecologists and andrologists? Who is going to treat this inevitable suffering group of people with monstrosities between their legs, besides the grim reaper?

And finally, what would no-bullshit honest doctors call these neovaginas and neophalluses? They are extremely unnatural wounds, no other way to look at it. So… what are they? What classification of wound?

I have so many questions about this shit and I know there aren’t really any answers. The SRS thread is so morbidly fascinating.

The major issue is going to come about in the future when transmen/women start getting complicated medical issues that require regular surgery which is going to cause an internal shitstorm. So someone has a blockage that's going to kill them but in order to get to the blockage a surgeon is going to have to absolutely destroy this neovagina, does the surgeon even attempt this or will they be blocked by red tape once the hospital senses that the PR fallout of 'desexing' a transperson? Does a regular surgeon even KNOW how to work around this anatomy if there's something there that shouldn't be or an artery that has healed somewhere else.

I have seen regular elbow surgery that saw blood spurt across the room because of a complication, but in the worst case scenario an arm can have a tournequet on it. You can't just cut off all blood flow to the nether regions.

 

[Piss Bear]

The major issue is going to come about in the future when transmen/women start getting complicated medical issues that require regular surgery which is going to cause an internal shitstorm. So someone has a blockage that's going to kill them but in order to get to the blockage a surgeon is going to have to absolutely destroy this neovagina, does the surgeon even attempt this or will they be blocked by red tape once the hospital senses that the PR fallout of 'desexing' a transperson? Does a regular surgeon even KNOW how to work around this anatomy if there's something there that shouldn't be or an artery that has healed somewhere else.

I have seen regular elbow surgery that saw blood spurt across the room because of a complication, but in the worst case scenario an arm can have a tournequet on it. You can't just cut off all blood flow to the nether regions.

Yeah, no way around it; trannies have just surgically ruined themselves and installed an ugly death sentence into their crotches. I cannot think of any pros to begin with, and the list of cons go on forever. I’m very curious to see what happens to the trans people who don’t kill themselves and how their neovaginas continue to get fucked up over time.

There are other cultural phenomenons like this: Chinese foot-binding, Neck rings, Corsets, etc. Is this worse than a cultural phenomenon that heavily pressures women or men into painfully warping their bodies? I can’t say. FGM is a cultural phenomenon and that is MUCH worse than GRS because it is traumatically forced upon young girls and their genitals are ruined. Circumcision sucks too, but at least in most cases the genitals are functional afterward. I dunno, man.

 

[Vect]

So I was going to post a video of an actual satirical MtF character, Barbara Dixon from the League of Gentlemen, in an article thread, but I just looked at the character wiki page and all her present tense pronouns are 'ze' and 'zer'. If you've never seen this show, the character drives a cab telling her passengers ludicrous and painstaking details about her transitional surgery. She can't find her privates, has her surgery botched, gets kicked out of a gym (because she keeps her penis in the locker) and gets in a fight with a bearded lady - but as of 2017, the character opposes the use of any gendered pronouns.

So a black comedy character that satirised everything about transpeople in a show where all the female leads were played by men suddenly got very current year about their pronouns. It's just incredible.

 

[thegooddoctor]

I am also tired of seeing here the constant ideology taht transpeople are entirely to blame for a lot of the more antisocial and deviant behaviours you have seen. I hate the cliche excuse of blaming it on societal social norms and issues but I really think a lot of it is to do with that. Think about it, considering the western worldsarge history has been from most of it’s history adamantly homophobic, due to social and mainly religious groups having enormous influence on society claiming that gay and LGBT communities are sinful and demonising them as mentally ill perverts and a plaque on society.

Thais obviously untrue, but it caused huge damage to so many lives and it wasn’t until perhaps the 1980s that we saw any kind of consistent and positive support of homosexuality in modern society. Now think of how it’s been for Transpeople, they have had even less support or acceptance from modern society until perhaps literally the beginning of the 21st century. It’s only been since maybe the early 2010s that there had been the push and acceptance that gays found in the 80s for trans people. The point is if you spend your entire lives being ostracised and treated with contempt for being an outsider, sometimes even by members of the LGBT people themsleves, would that not bring out incredible rage and huge amounts of social unrest from trans people?

These people have literally been kicked to the curb by almost all of modern history until literally maybe the past 20 years or so, all these protests, antisocial behaviour rage and deviant behaviour are merely the inevitable fallout of centuries of oppression and being demeaned by society through its cruel bigotry, honestly after teh hell they’ve endured us not somewhat understandable why so many people there are adamant and rage filled about their trans position. Honestly they somewhat have earned their right to be this way if you had been treated the way they have for so long.

I’m not saying all are excused no, I definitely think many are entitled idiots and using their trans rights to be entitled Cunha and cause damage for SJW reasons yes, but to pin the blame all on them because they’re being too sensitive is ridiculously unfair if you consider our general history of honophobia and transphobia through suce a huge portion of modern history. They absolutely cannot be blamed all for this, society as a whole is to blame. We engineered all this unrest through our terrible treatment, this is the ‘reward’ we are getting through years of subjugation and discrimination. It was only a matter of time before they broke.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

I am also tired of seeing here the constant ideology taht transpeople are entirely to blame for a lot of the more antisocial and deviant behaviours you have seen. I hate the cliche excuse of blaming it on societal social norms and issues but I really think a lot of it is to do with that. Think about it, considering the western worldsarge history has been from most of it’s history adamantly homophobic, due to social and mainly religious groups having enormous influence on society claiming that gay and LGBT communities are sinful and demonising them as mentally ill perverts and a plaque on society.

Thais obviously untrue, but it caused huge damage to so many lives and it wasn’t until perhaps the 1980s that we saw any kind of consistent and positive support of homosexuality in modern society. Now think of how it’s been for Transpeople, they have had even less support or acceptance from modern society until perhaps literally the beginning of the 21st century. It’s only been since maybe the early 2010s that there had been the push and acceptance that gays found in the 80s for trans people. The point is if you spend your entire lives being ostracised and treated with contempt for being an outsider, sometimes even by members of the LGBT people themsleves, would that not bring out incredible rage and huge amounts of social unrest from trans people?

These people have literally been kicked to the curb by almost all of modern history until literally maybe the past 20 years or so, all these protests, antisocial behaviour rage and deviant behaviour are merely the inevitable fallout of centuries of oppression and being demeaned by society through its cruel bigotry, honestly after teh hell they’ve endured us not somewhat understandable why so many people there are adamant and rage filled about their trans position. Honestly they somewhat have earned their right to be this way if you had been treated the way they have for so long.

I’m not saying all are excused no, I definitely think many are entitled idiots and using their trans rights to be entitled Cunha and cause damage for SJW reasons yes, but to pin the blame all on them because they’re being too sensitive is ridiculously unfair if you consider our general history of honophobia and transphobia through suce a huge portion of modern history. They absolutely cannot be blamed all for this, society as a whole is to blame. We engineered all this unrest through our terrible treatment, this is the ‘reward’ we are getting through years of subjugation and discrimination. It was only a matter of time before they broke.

I half agree with this. Is homosexuality, or rather acting on it, wrong? Yes. But unfortunately our hatred of the sin has, at least in some cases, transformed into hate of the sinner. And that is truly tragic.

 

[thegooddoctor]

I half agree with this. Is homosexuality, or rather acting on it, wrong? Yes. But unfortunately our hatred of the sin has, at least in some cases, transformed into hate of the sinner. And that is truly tragic.

What are you talking about? Your homophobic now too? Fucking based.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

What are you talking about? Your homophobic now too? Fucking based.

I don’t see how anything I’ve said is homophobic or implies I’m homophobic.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I am also tired of seeing here the constant ideology taht transpeople are entirely to blame for a lot of the more antisocial and deviant behaviours you have seen. I hate the cliche excuse of blaming it on societal social norms and issues but I really think a lot of it is to do with that. Think about it, considering the western worldsarge history has been from most of it’s history adamantly homophobic, due to social and mainly religious groups having enormous influence on society claiming that gay and LGBT communities are sinful and demonising them as mentally ill perverts and a plaque on society.

Thais obviously untrue, but it caused huge damage to so many lives and it wasn’t until perhaps the 1980s that we saw any kind of consistent and positive support of homosexuality in modern society. Now think of how it’s been for Transpeople, they have had even less support or acceptance from modern society until perhaps literally the beginning of the 21st century. It’s only been since maybe the early 2010s that there had been the push and acceptance that gays found in the 80s for trans people. The point is if you spend your entire lives being ostracised and treated with contempt for being an outsider, sometimes even by members of the LGBT people themsleves, would that not bring out incredible rage and huge amounts of social unrest from trans people?

These people have literally been kicked to the curb by almost all of modern history until literally maybe the past 20 years or so, all these protests, antisocial behaviour rage and deviant behaviour are merely the inevitable fallout of centuries of oppression and being demeaned by society through its cruel bigotry, honestly after teh hell they’ve endured us not somewhat understandable why so many people there are adamant and rage filled about their trans position. Honestly they somewhat have earned their right to be this way if you had been treated the way they have for so long.

I’m not saying all are excused no, I definitely think many are entitled idiots and using their trans rights to be entitled Cunha and cause damage for SJW reasons yes, but to pin the blame all on them because they’re being too sensitive is ridiculously unfair if you consider our general history of honophobia and transphobia through suce a huge portion of modern history. They absolutely cannot be blamed all for this, society as a whole is to blame. We engineered all this unrest through our terrible treatment, this is the ‘reward’ we are getting through years of subjugation and discrimination. It was only a matter of time before they broke.

As has been pointed out many times, the difference between faggotry and trannyism is that the former doesn't require society to be completely turned upside down to satisfy a few fetishists, nor does it require the redefinition of entire categories of words, the destruction of mental health services, the destruction of female spaces, or the insistence that people deny the evidence that their own eyes present to them, all to make a few mentally ill people feel a little less suicidal for a day.

The reason trans people are so mentally unstable and prone to violent outburst is because they are embracing an all-encompassing cognitive dissonance, one that can only ever be superficially resolved by requiring the entirety of society to embrace the same dissonance. They deny their own nature to pretend they are something else entirely, to the point of self-harm that causes permanent physical damage. Any other illness that progress such a way would be treated with therapy and medication, not rewards and encouragement to ever greater levels of self-harm, or legally protected cutting sessions in public spaces, or the demands that people be required to lick the blood off them.

To be quite frank, I'd be all for rolling back the clock on homosexual acceptance if it meant ridding us of the troons. Faggots have no need of overt social acceptance. Troons can't function without it.

 

[thegooddoctor]

As has been pointed out many times, the difference between faggotry and trannyism is that the former doesn't require society to be completely turned upside down to satisfy a few fetishists, nor does it require the redefinition of entire categories of words, the destruction of mental health services, the destruction of female spaces, or the insistence that people deny the evidence that their own eyes present to them, all to make a few mentally ill people feel a little less suicidal for a day.

The reason trans people are so mentally unstable and prone to violent outburst is because they are embracing an all-encompassing cognitive dissonance, one that can only ever be superficially resolved by requiring the entirety of society to embrace the same dissonance. They deny their own nature to pretend they are something else entirely, to the point of self-harm that causes permanent physical damage. Any other illness that progress such a way would be treated with therapy and medication, not rewards and encouragement to ever greater levels of self-harm, or legally protected cutting sessions in public spaces, or the demands that people be required to lick the blood off them.

To be quite frank, I'd be all for rolling back the clock on homosexual acceptance if it meant ridding us of the troons. Faggots have no need of overt social acceptance. Troons can't function without it.

Well to some degree yes, but it wouldn’t be this way, if society hadn’t conditioned so many people to feel ashamed for being themselves for so long, as corny as that may sound. Again in regards to their point, if Transgenderism is a mental illness like you say, aren’t you technically blaming them for something that they didn’t choose and they they have little to no control over. Taht really didn’t fair and these people really would benefit from people trying to understand them and giving them a helping hand. It’s very easy for you to say they’re all insane from the view of a non-trans person. But let’s one day their was some karmic force that transformed you and everyone else into a trans men or women, I guarantee you’d probably behave the exact same way to those you mock,

Its the same equivalent with any mental illness, for example we may be quick to judge the behavioof a schizophrenic, but you don’t have the same condition as them so how could you possibly understand how their minds operate. It’s an incredible cliche, but take a mile walk in these peoples shoes and I’m sure you wouldn’t be as critical.