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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Contrary to whatever ruskis in the alternate thread are saying about me, I am not pro-war and I don't really want anyone to die for anyone. That being said, if it chaps their ass that I despise Russians for (at least in my opinion) justifiable reasons, then it makes me wonder if we're all on the same website and if Russians have become a protected group.
I'm not in the war zone so easy for me to say this but I don't even hate the Russian soldiers and do feel they are victims of Putin and his government as well but in other ways, mostly being mislead and the propaganda.

But I totally get why the Ukrainians won't necessarily share that point of view and can't say I wouldn't feel the same within their shoes.
 
The USA and EU discovering that the dollar and the euro are worthless when you dont have oil, gas or wheat
Hopefully soon Arabs and Russians will discover that their oil and gas will be worthless as leverages against the West when the US goes back to being energy independent again and Europe goes full nuclear power.
 
Putin looks dull, but Chubais spend the last few years as a sustainable development advisor which has to have been a sort of studied insult by Putin, who patently rates present usefulness over gratitude.

The BBC article notes how the posted a picture of the murdered Boris Nemtsov on his FB (and or presumably Vkontacte) on the anniversary of his death. It suggests he's not an insider any more, and I note too that Alexei Navalny spox suggests the motive is his money and life. However to my mind it could suggest a sort of fussiness of political radicals. Lenin and Stalin pushed aside great revolutionaries who were too delicate to do what work for the present. There are some ex oligarchs in exile. Perhaps Chubais and them might be the seeds of a more practical and realistic opposition to Putin who put it to oligarchs that Putin isn't worth it and that the arch-privatizer and co. are a better deal.

Zelensky is asking not to sanction Abramovich for him to facilitate peace talks:


no idea what's going on here, pretty much all Russian oligharchs had their hands at the trough, some got bumped out. I'm pretty positive that the first olygharch who can engineer change of guards in Kremlin will get nobel peace prize and unfrozen bank accounts, why Abramovich specifically ... could be some interesting move
 
Zelensky is asking not to sanction Abramovich for him to facilitate peace talks:


no idea what's going on here, pretty much all Russian oligharchs had their hands at the trough, some got bumped out. I'm pretty positive that the first olygharch who can engineer change of guards in Kremlin will get nobel peace prize and unfrozen bank accounts, why Abramovich specifically ... could be some interesting move
Not to defend the oligarchs too much - they are just bit parts in the system too. Yes, huge beneficiaries of it, but they are stuck inside of it nonetheless.

There is a reason Putin assassinates Russian expats in outrageous and incredibly cruel ways. Skripal, attempted with Novichok, the British Left tried to claim it wasn't Russia. Litvinyenko with nuclear material. He had shot one of his previous political rivals in broad daylight and poisoned one of his more recent ones before imprisoning him on false charges.

Ultimately, these Oligarchs have a choice - play ball, live a life of luxury or suffer a similar fate.

In many dictatorships the military is the key to power. For instance Myanmar, or 1980s Argentina - in Russia I would speculate that the military is a bit player, that the real power is in the FSB. The USSR was run on fear, and the NKVD and then KGB kept the people in check. Did this ever change? No, and bringing Putin in an Ex-KGB man certainly cemented that.
 
Zelensky is asking not to sanction Abramovich for him to facilitate peace talks:


no idea what's going on here, pretty much all Russian oligharchs had their hands at the trough, some got bumped out. I'm pretty positive that the first olygharch who can engineer change of guards in Kremlin will get nobel peace prize and unfrozen bank accounts, why Abramovich specifically ... could be some interesting move
Abramovich has been reconciliation minded to a degree sponsoring youth football teams bringing together Jewish and Arab Israelis. I suppose there's a level where Zelensky believes certain oligarchs are pragmatic men and shouldn't be subjects of sanctions which draw them to Putin. A more nuanced policy towards oligarchs might sow distrust between siloviki courtiers and certain oligarchs. It doesn't matter if someone is a crook, in fact as there's no honor among thieves, as the saying goes, that might be better still. Whoever helps to ending the war for whatever motive has to be useful.

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The Ukrainian FM is big mad at Renault for not pulling out of Russia, calls for a boycott of the brand and its divisions like Dacia. This might be unwise as the onetime parastatal, ally and part owner of Nissan, surely remains a French national champion and French leaders don't like attacks on French things, circumstances be damned. The war is a horror, but this cancellation effort might bite back at them.

Edit: production seems to have halted at the Renault and Avtovaz facilities, but others not pulling out like Toyota (the only worthwhile car maker for reliability of their products) cannot get parts. Renault are said to be planning pullout, but perhaps the idled plant is spun to keep the holy Joes of Twitter off their back. They provided Dacia with models for decades under Ceascescu and British Leyland Motor Company exported some Farinas (very good cars) to Romania.
 
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I'm not in the war zone so easy for me to say this but I don't even hate the Russian soldiers and do feel they are victims of Putin and his government as well but in other ways, mostly being mislead and the propaganda.
Don't feel too sorry for them, a good portion are convict conscripts who buttrape each other as part of their hazing culture, one which has been ingrained into the Russian army since Stalingrad.
 
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Not to defend the oligarchs too much - they are just bit parts in the system too. Yes, huge beneficiaries of it, but they are stuck inside of it nonetheless.

There is a reason Putin assassinates Russian expats in outrageous and incredibly cruel ways. Skripal, attempted with Novichok, the British Left tried to claim it wasn't Russia. Litvinyenko with nuclear material. He had shot one of his previous political rivals in broad daylight and poisoned one of his more recent ones before imprisoning him on false charges.

Ultimately, these Oligarchs have a choice - play ball, live a life of luxury or suffer a similar fate.

In many dictatorships the military is the key to power. For instance Myanmar, or 1980s Argentina - in Russia I would speculate that the military is a bit player, that the real power is in the FSB. The USSR was run on fear, and the NKVD and then KGB kept the people in check. Did this ever change? No, and bringing Putin in an Ex-KGB man certainly cemented that.

Both Skripal and Litvinenko were traitors, and as such, a cruel poisoning was exactly the ticket. The point here is that death isn't instantaneous and there is no real antidote for it, so the traitor knows well what's going on before dying.

On the topic of oligharch assasinations, UK has been a massive killing ground for Russian oligharchs and business men, unlike any other place in the world. This is from Time, but I read similar from other UK rags. The really outrageous part is that UK looks the other way to a whole lot of "suspicious" deaths or "suicides"



And while searching for those articles I found this gem from a few weeks back:

a Uki oligharch just hangs himself.


My issue with oligharchs, in a country where they effectively select the ruling class, they are accountable for the figure head, and Putin was a good one, but they and they alone lost control of their puppet to the point that it fucked business for a lot of people, and that got to hurt.
 
Yeah for sure. Russian propaganda somehow manages to appeal to retards on both sides of the extreme political horseshoe.
We call it The Brain Scorcher.

By the way, free tip to detect someone who's an actual Putin simp (paid or free, doesn't really matter at this point).

Whenever someone is unironically trying to go for "8 years the world watched as children in the East were bombed" line - that's an actual hardened Putin simp. As soon as the official propaganda picked up on that line, they all, like NPCs they are, started to repeat it. Some of the old accounts here like Uncle Buck (registration date 2015, holy shit) started spouting that bullshit.

Never mind the fact that Ukraine has requested peacekeepers 11 times during those 8 years and the fact that pro-Russian separatists favour hiding artillery in residential areas.
 
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Never mind the fact that Ukraine has requested peacekeepers 11 times during those 8 years and the fact that pro-Russian separatists favour hiding artillery in residential areas.
So what you're saying is they're exactly like Palestine in that they'll use women & children as human shields while launching motors into apartment buildings?
 
Both Skripal and Litvinenko were traitors, and as such, a cruel poisoning was exactly the ticket. The point here is that death isn't instantaneous and there is no real antidote for it, so the traitor knows well what's going on before dying.

On the topic of oligharch assasinations, UK has been a massive killing ground for Russian oligharchs and business men, unlike any other place in the world. This is from Time, but I read similar from other UK rags. The really outrageous part is that UK looks the other way to a whole lot of "suspicious" deaths or "suicides"



And while searching for those articles I found this gem from a few weeks back:

a Uki oligharch just hangs himself.


My issue with oligharchs, in a country where they effectively select the ruling class, they are accountable for the figure head, and Putin was a good one, but they and they alone lost control of their puppet to the point that it fucked business for a lot of people, and that got to hurt.
There are Russians getting assassinated a lot across all of the world. I read one of someone who tracked down to some bumfuck village in East Turkey and had his brains blown out.

UK has a lot of Russians, so lots get killed. Hard to tell if they are actual assassinations, I would doubt it's eyes turning the other way more a job well done...

Yeah I'm not entirely absolving the oligarchs, but ultimately you know the system is designed so that you cannot trust your peers. For argument's sake, they could all hate Putin but for all they know opening their mouth to the other oligarchs could have them or their family killed. It's designed to play those with power off against one another to keep Putin in place. So what can one Oligarch do?
 
Yep.

Putin made a famous Freudian slip when he said that they (the Russian army) will be hiding behind women and children.
So the line these people have been feeding me that Ukraine is the real aggressor with Azov shelling Russian cities at random is also total bullshit?
 
So the line these people have been feeding me that Ukraine is the real aggressor with Azov shelling Russian cities at random is also total bullshit?
To deny that my side has committed some horrible shit would be wrong. This is a war against an unprincipled enemy. Pretty sure when the war is over, we all will find out some gruesome shit that Ukies did.

That being said, if we would've actually operated on lex talionis, Russkies impacted disproportionate retribution all the while feeding the world and their simp army outlandish lies.

More kids were killed this month by Russians than Ukrainians (admitted by the LNR/DNR themselves!!!) ever did during the last VOSEM LET (8 years).
 
To deny that my side has committed some horrible shit would be wrong. This is a war against an unprincipled enemy. Pretty sure when the war is over, we all will find out some gruesome shit that Ukies did.

That being said, if we would've actually operated on lex talionis, Russkies impacted disproportionately retribution all the while feeding the world and their simp army outlandish lies.
I have literally no fucking clue what has led up to this apart from some political assassinations & puppet presidents in Ukraine, I only just recently learned why Azov even exists and why Ukraine has a white supremacy culture (allegedly rescued from the Holodomore by Nazi Germany) & I still distrust it. You seem pretty honest about this, so can you give me a full lowdown on why this is happening & what happened leading up to it?
 
I have literally no fucking clue what has led up to this apart from some political assassinations & puppet presidents in Ukraine, I only just recently learned why Azov even exists and why Ukraine has a white supremacy culture (allegedly rescued from the Holodomore by Nazi Germany) & I still distrust it. You seem pretty honest about this, so can you give me a full lowdown on why this is happening & what happened leading up to it?
The question "why is this happening" is a very broad one. How about you ask specific questions and we'll go from there?
 
On the topic of oligharch assasinations, UK has been a massive killing ground for Russian oligharchs and business men, unlike any other place in the world. This is from Time, but I read similar from other UK rags. The really outrageous part is that UK looks the other way to a whole lot of "suspicious" deaths or "suicides"
Officially they may look the other way, but they may have done stuff behind the scenes. Usually when official spies for countries get caught they just get deported (China supposedly has a habit of killing those they catch), so the UK may have found the person responsible and then given them a plane ticket home.
 
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Officially they may look the other way, but they may have done stuff behind the scenes. Usually when official spies for countries get caught they just get deported (China supposedly has a habit of killing those they catch), so the UK may have found the person responsible and then given them a plane ticket home.
I doubt it, not to PL too much - I have met murder squad detectives from some of the busier cities. They aren't these really political types - far from it, very practical.

They do however sometimes have to make a decision on if something is a murder or a suicide fairly quickly to inform the correct pathologist to attend. If you make something genuinely look like a suicide, then they are likely to interpret it that way.

Mind you, that's no easy feat.
 
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