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No idea what he's talking about. I guess we will find out soon.
Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread
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Spicey McHaggis
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Looks like someone saw his first war crime.
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The thing is, America handicapped its birthrate in pure Idiocracy fashion. There is no reason why we can't have the 2.1 replacement rate given how generous child services, education, and tax credits are to parents. We are not hitting hard Malthusian limits but soft social limits like not getting kids to Disneyland. By destabilizing the institution of marriage and second wave feminism scrambling women's life path, raising children is perceived to be an enormous burden for decades. This perception is stuck for at least a generation, more likely two.
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More boom, no sound.
Below are Twitter\articles from a couple days ago, Russians have been offloading there. Guess is the Russians either blew something in place because it was out of commission, or the Ukrainians\etc carried out a successful strike. I am leaning towards the latter. Fog of war and shit.
Below are Twitter\articles from a couple days ago, Russians have been offloading there. Guess is the Russians either blew something in place because it was out of commission, or the Ukrainians\etc carried out a successful strike. I am leaning towards the latter. Fog of war and shit.
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DPR units firing the few remaining rockets they have near the village of Verkhnetoretsky. Just like the Russian army they will run out of ammo, fuel, food, warm blankets, coffee, toilet paper, ... within the next 24 hours.
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Whatever happens, we have got
The Maxim gun, and they have not.
Rezza
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Apparently a Russian ship has also sunk, but unclear its true or not. As you say, fog of war
That said, if a ship actually sunk there on the port, and with that kind of explosion, will the port still be usable? And how will it affect the Russian supply now?
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Those tanks you see in the Twitter post (from a few days ago) I put up were probably blown up (they look like oil\fuel tanks.) I have no idea who did it. The amount of munitions going off is pretty telling though. I don't see why the Russians would blow those up, it's entirely possible the tanks got hit with guided munitions. In the other earlier Twitter videos I put up, you can see ships sailing out, and they look Russian to me.
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Supposedly an Alligator-Class Amphibious Landing Ship; probably some slav was chainsmoking while humping ordnance.
It's not a very large port, so....
Hey, didn't one of ours burn up recently too?
Spicey McHaggis
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Given how many of their ammo depots have blown up from exactly that, it's a possibility. Seriously it's a huge problem.Supposedly an Alligator-Class Amphibious Landing Ship; probably some slav was chainsmoking while humping ordnance.
It's not a very large port, so....
Hey, didn't one of ours burn up recently too?
Rezza
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If it's a strike, there should have been a report about it. It's most likely either Ukrainian sabotage, or an accident. If it's the former, that's amazing. If its the latter...how the fuck did that happen?
Spicey McHaggis
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Slavic safety standards are somewhat lower than most of the developed worlds safety standards. I doubt that maintenance there was up to those already low standards even before the war.
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No idea. Keeping my eyes on a bunch of Twitter\etc accounts. Looking forward to the lies tomorrow about it, though.
I'll update if I get anything concrete and more footage. Finally some good shit out of Slav Civil War version 14.2 - this incremental update is actually lit.
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That's exactly what I thought first; not sabotage or a lucky hit, in an active warzone.
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Good stuff, if anyone needs a reason to watch it, he's a genuine US tanker (now in the National Guard) and professional tank historian.
Summary below because I know I rarely have time for videos in this thread and appreciate QRDs.
My personal take on the video is that The Chieftain is politely saying Ukraine is getting its ass kicked and there's a lot they're just not saying. Yes Russia is being retarded, but not as retarded as the clips seem to imply. Obviously Ukrainians aren't going to upload themselves getting wrecked and propaganda is expected but if they don't push back with their own armor then they're going to lose ground, slowly or otherwise.
If you can only watch part of it I've timestamped the breakdown in the embed below. (6:30 into the video)
Roughly chronological
Overall conclusion - The stuff we're seeing raises a lot of questions without giving many answers.
- No, tanks are not obsolete.
- No, drones don't win wars. Maneuvering ground forces do
- Yes, Russia has shown a lot of ineptitude
- Combined arms is a tank's best defense since always
- The clips on social media for this conflict are not effective measures of anything
- Ukrainian clips uploaded are going to be edited in Ukraine's favor
- Ukrainians won't upload clips of failures
- We're largely missing the Russian perspective
- Even when there is footage from their side, it stays mostly in Telegram channels
- Tank-kill videos tend to be selectively edited
- Primary example is from this video
- Breakdown
- Ukes hit tank
- Tank not instantly killed
- Does right thing by driving out of the fight (driver stayed in)
- IFV does the right thing by scramming while spamming autocannon (crosses the road)
- Rear tanks do right thing by positioning towards Ukes and lighting them up
- The tank hit was not knocked out until the Ukrainians were dead and it appears no Russians actually died
- Another video of a seemingly lone tank gets hit
- hit 1 and video cuts
- hit 2 tank is tracked (broken track) and video cut but not before tank turns towards target (still in the fight)
- hit 3 tank gets penetrated as evidence by smoke coming out of the barrel, implying the breech was open. implying the russians shot a round (never seen in clips)
- Explosion cooks off or something, knocking out tank
- So much context missing, this video is useless
- A lot more isn't said than is said by the way it's edited
- An IFV missing a wheel and hubs was either abandoned or undergoing improper field maintenance in his opinion
- Cope Cages
- Chieftain says he appreciates "emotional support armor"
- He hasn't seen a top-attack video against any cope-cagey tanks
- Interesting lack of active defense systems on the tanks
- Possible that the tanks with modern active defense aren't shared online by Ukes because it's not good footage when the attack fails
- Azov BTR footage (where Azov rolls around and shoots a T-72 in the side)
- Unclear why the tank is in that position
- Possible the tank was killing something else when it got ran up on
- OPSEC is not great
- Uses example of Russian "kamikaze" drone being posted with a Ukrainian saying the fuses are bad
- Recommends not telling the enemy when their equipment is malfunctioning
- War crime stuff
- Not everything bad is a warcrime
- Russians using thermobaric bomb, blowing up a school, and blowing up a shopping mall cited
- Not a war crime if done for legitimate military reasons within laws of land warfare
- Can argue filming Russian POWs is a war crime
- Not everything bad is a warcrime
- Ukrainian critique
- "Where are the large Ukrainian maneuver units?"
- Defense doesn't win wars, Ukraine has to switch to offense (he adds he's aware of recent reports of counter-offenses)
- He knows Ukraine has large mechanized brigades
- He knows they are using them but isn't sure how
- These brigades have lost ~2 battalions of T-64s
- Were they destroyed due to Russian offense or lost when counter-attacking? (Rhetorical for now)
Overall conclusion - The stuff we're seeing raises a lot of questions without giving many answers.
Oh bugger, the tank is on fire. starts clock
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Poking fun of the green screen.
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Word from /pol/ and /k/ is that it's the Orsk, an Alligator-class LST retired in the 1990s before being reactivated sometime after 2014. There may also have been a Ropucha-class present that appears to have survived and fled the scene. Current suspect is a Tochka-U SRBM, which the Russians have been claiming to be shooting down over the port for the last several days.
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It's a rhetorical dodge. The line of reasoning is that the Ukrainian government has been perpetrating systematic abuse on it's own people by pulling it's defensive lines back from the countryside and into the cities. This ignores the fact that the Ukraine is very flat and that the last thing that you want to do is get caught out in the open and that they're not the aggressor in this war. They are guilty only of wanting to trade with functional economies and backing up their insistence that the Russian government honor it's recognition of their sovereignty in 1991 with guns and spite. That's how you get killed. So, they're fighting from the cities and attacking along the highway system because the Russians are stuck there. The rainy season has come and the terrain is very marshy. What they're really doing is framing pragmatic self-defense as political malfeasance. You'll notice that the charge usually goes hand in hand with the charge that Zelensky is just showboating, ignoring that part of a head of state's job in wartime is conduct diplomacy in service of aquiring outside aid. So, they'll go on bitching about how they're so amazingly shit at actually being a democracy, all the while an actual dictatorship kicks their door in because they want that dictatorship to win and it's been bogged down. Fuck, we in the west didn't expect them to last this long.
And why shouldn't he? Russia's economy is a basket case but it's still larger in terms of both raw size and GDP per capita compared to the Ukraine's owing to the Ukrainians tendency to be as corrupt as any other post soviet country. On paper, the Ukrainian military should have been absolutely ravaged by now but it hasn't been and they're still fighting but screaming for supplies. A couple of weeks ago, in the last thread, I said that I gave them thirty percent odds when I was feeling optimistic. At this stage, I think it's anyone's game.
You know who disagrees with you? The Russian government, at least until a very recent shift in policy by Putin. With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, The Russian Federation formally recognized them as an independent country in 1991. That recognition of their independence flies in the face of Putin's claims that they brought the Ukraine into the world and can take it out if they wish. They had that opportunity thirty years ago and they didn't take it, now they're going to have to back it up with guns.
It was Russia's strategy to try and secure a quick victory from the outset. They even released a victory announcement on Day 3. As far as encirclement goes? I'm seeing just Mariupol encircled, the rest seems to be static lines and arrows that go nowhere. There is evidence that the Ukrainian's are counter-attacking and the MoD seems to have finally fixed their fucking map to show the LNR still being there.
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