War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Apparently the Ukie Deputy PM is accusing Hungary of hostility of perhaps wants Transcarpathia. Orban has long been friendly to Putin, so not a surprising statement, but he's probably not on a conference call with Putin and Lukashenko planning a partition of Ukraine.

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They are not wrong. Russia has the manpower and material to grind Ukraine into dust.

So what, the initial invasion plan was shit. Every mistake is a learning opportunity and eventually Russia will commit enough men and supplies to grind Ukrainian resistance down to where they just want to surrender.

If we were talking about Soviet Union, I'd agree, but Russia ... no, for these reasons:

1. Russian manufacturing capacity has gone down in the last 20 years. Literally Izhmash (Kalashnikov) was barely afloat and had to be restructured. With being open to the West and East, a lot of Soviet built factories could not simply compete. In USSR, they were strategic factories, now you could simply buy same shit in China faster and easier.

2. Interconnection has increased. Aeroflot, like 100% of planes are not Russian built. Even Sukhoi, French engines, US avionics. Russian factories are slowing down because a lot of supply chain components are foreign and could not be easily replaced, not on this time table. Never mind industry, there is a shortage of milk cartons because cartons themselves and peroxide to sterilize come from outside of Russia.

It's apparent that Russia was not ready for this level of resistance from the West (and East) Otherwise, why the F you'd keep a huge amount of your gold reserves NOT in Russia???

3. Russians are not accostomed to the true level of USSR powerty. USSR came out of WWII dirt poor and many very simply lucky to be alive. Not now, see how wiping your ass with newspapers will go in big cities who accustomed to the better life.
 
They are not wrong. Russia has the manpower and material to grind Ukraine into dust.

So what, the initial invasion plan was shit. Every mistake is a learning opportunity and eventually Russia will commit enough men and supplies to grind Ukrainian resistance down to where they just want to surrender.

Some might claim that holding out for longer may improve ceasefire terms but that is predicated on a Western model of a vulnerable politician being suspectable to political pressure. Putin and this new Russia is not that type of animal. Putin had been painted into a corner by the failed invasion and he cannot go to his people with weak terms.
Doubtful. Russia is on the offensive, it needs complex and networked equipment, soldiers with high moral and good training and effective logistical support to go with it if it wants to overcome the Ukrainians. It will need to provide for the majority of this itself. Whether they admit it or not, Russia is not autarkic, it's not self sufficient. It will struggle to replace lost aircraft and their more advanced weapons systems whilst cut off from the West.

Ukraine will be supported by the West - if we are being purely cynical for sale of argument - for as long as it is in their interest. Which it is as long as it weakens Russia. Ergo, they will receive weapons and support as long as required.

I think at this rate Russia will run out of their required equipment long before Ukraine gives in, or runs out of effective counter measures.
 
I didn't know Ukraine had tank battalions

The Ukranians have 2 "proper" Armoured brigades in the form of the 1st and 17th Armoured Brigades, both of which have origins as Soviet Guard units during WW2. Meaning they have 6 battalions worth of tanks in the North and East. The main reason why Cherniv seige has been such a miserable failure is because the russians sent T-72As and fuck knows what else in this supporting attack up against people who were not in the mood to be fucked with.

These are also the areas where the most vehicles have been captured, or more advanced equipment has been abandoned (Especially in the East) where at least a battalion's worth of the Russian 4th Guards has been abandoned or destroyed.

The vast vast majority of the Ukranian Military is made up of mechanised battalions. Which unlike those in NATO militaries have outright companies of tanks embedded inside of them.

On paper the Ukranians had 800 tanks available and another thousand or so in long term storage with people likely working away on activating those ASAP alongside whatever crap the russians keep abandoning.

Considering this is a tank built in the 60s... its doing shockingly well against (on paper) superior tanks. But it does have balistics computers and other systems fitted "as standard" which are increasingly shown as optional on Russian tanks.

Doubtful. Russia is on the offensive, it needs complex and networked equipment, soldiers with high moral and good training and effective logistical support to go with it if it wants to overcome the Ukrainians. It will need to provide for the majority of this itself. Whether they admit it or not, Russia is not autarkic, it's not self sufficient. It will struggle to replace lost aircraft and their more advanced weapons systems whilst cut off from the West.

Ukraine will be supported by the West - if we are being purely cynical for sale of argument - for as long as it is in their interest. Which it is as long as it weakens Russia. Ergo, they will receive weapons and support as long as required.

I think at this rate Russia will run out of their required equipment long before Ukraine gives in, or runs out of effective counter measures.

The UK approved of sending out another six thousand NLAWS today. Its had the Russians dub BoJo as the“most active participant in the race to be anti-Russian”

Downing Street replied with “the Prime Minister is among the most anti-Putin world leaders.”

Someone's running out of useable shit first.

It's not gunna be Ukraine.
 
Considering this is a tank built in the 60s... its doing shockingly well against (on paper) superior tanks. But it does have balistics computers and other systems fitted "as standard" which are increasingly shown as optional on Russian tanks.
Lots of people who suddenly went from being anti-military to warmongers are talking how the tank, and most armoured vehicles, are no longer relevant due to the war in Ukraine. It's absolutely false, as always tanks are most effective when used in combination with other arms to protect them from their weaknesses and therefore allow them to be used to their full effect.

This requires good communications and good training.

This was the same in WWII, the much celebrated Percy Hobart (of Hobart's funnies fame) believed tanks should be used independently. This was British doctrine in North Africa - kinda, infantry tanks like the Matilda 2 were devastating against the under-gunned Italians - where their tanks would usually engage German tanks alone, which were superior and which also had anti-tank gun support. You can imagine how that turned out...

Whatever the Russians are doing wrong, part of it is failing to screen their tanks adequately against lightly armed infantry.
 
Lots of people who suddenly went from being anti-military to warmongers are talking how the tank, and most armoured vehicles, are no longer relevant due to the war in Ukraine. It's absolutely false, as always tanks are most effective when used in combination with other arms to protect them from their weaknesses and therefore allow them to be used to their full effect.

This requires good communications and good training.

This was the same in WWII, the much celebrated Percy Hobart (of Hobart's funnies fame) believed tanks should be used independently. This was British doctrine in North Africa - kinda, infantry tanks like the Matilda 2 were devastating against the under-gunned Italians - where their tanks would usually engage German tanks alone, which were superior and which also had anti-tank gun support. You can imagine how that turned out...

Whatever the Russians are doing wrong, part of it is failing to screen their tanks adequately against lightly armed infantry.

El Alamein was fought three times for a reason.

No, the tank still has its place. I think most people do not realise how deep and how hard the Ukranians pinwheeled away from conscription and deep into reform the theft of Crimea and the Donbass war has sparked, to the point they were all very clearly studying and studying hard western tactics which were designed almost entirely on the doctrines and basis of facing the Soviets.

In turn, this war is allowing the west to check out every weapon designed to kill soviet armour and aircraft of the past 30 years.

Which, in the way they're chewing up vehicles... well.

Looks like we never had that much to be scared of to begin with.
 
Is this a case of them sending them out again, or are normiebook tards just that behind because we sent F35s over weeks ago and they're back now.

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I said a while back when they were talking about adding Belarussian troops that it would end up being a clusterfuck because organising coalitions between multiple nation troops is always risky, even moreso when it's done on the fly. Now imagine those difficulties multiplied by
a)the fact the mercs and PMCs aren't proper troops and
b) Russias difficulties in managing just their own troops
and holy shit I expect this go go fucking catastrophically wrong.
lol that means Russians are now throwing their civilians at Ukraine.

This isn't a war anymore, it's statist football hooliganism. This is going to boil down to Russians & Ukrainians wrapping pennies in magazines to make brass knuckles.
 
so whats the scoop on mauripol fall and zakharova telling ucraine that they fucked it up and they wont be a sovereign state any longer?
 
It appears the Ukrainian missile strike did even more damage than first thought. That's potentially one ship completely gone, another two out of action for long enough to have a major impact on the ongoing campaign.
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@Astro Galactic Megalul you were probably right, but maybe they didn't even need agents just someone with a fucking webcam pointing out the window. What even is Russia, failing to cut connectivity in their "controlled" areas.:story:
Nah, this is a two hour repair job, tops⸮ It'll be back, fully repaired and unsunk from the ocean floor in thirty minutes, tops⸮ You didn't even sink our ship, this is a shoop of a Ukrainian vessel made to look like a Russian one, you Ookies couldn't even hit the right vessel, we'll be back in five minutes, you'll see⸮
 
They are not wrong. Russia has the manpower and material to grind Ukraine into dust.

So what, the initial invasion plan was shit. Every mistake is a learning opportunity and eventually Russia will commit enough men and supplies to grind Ukrainian resistance down to where they just want to surrender.
LMAO no, if Putin had committed all his forces into decapitating Kiev from the beginning instead of just sparing a portion of his men, he'd have Ukraine's capital by now. Sending in a human wave at this stage would be useless because he already sent his fully trained soldiers into the slaughter house where they're struggling to hold their gains while Moscow gets their shit logistics figured out. The logistics are so bad that the Russians are raiding grocery stores because they ran out of food. Every moment that passes is another Russian soldier dead, possibly at the hands of a conscripted Ukrainian civilian, so if both end up dead it can't even be counted as a 1:1 loss of equally valuable soldiers. Currently there's something like 200,000 men going up against how many millions of people?
 
This is just an opinion piece, but I still find it funny that the right wing editorial outlet is essentially arguing for Ukraine to surrender to help Africa. Also they misread the statement from Zelensky about NATO.

Especially since just a few months ago the outlet was cheering on sanctions on both Russia and Iran.
I wouldn't think they'd care that much for Africans.
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Don't even get me started on The Federalist. JOHN DANIEL DAVIDSON, who is one of their senior editors, has basically been writing defeatist bullshit on the war in Ukraine for the past two weeks, daily castigating people for predicting things like a Russian coup or Russia getting bogged down and collapsing, while making his own proclamations that the exact opposite will happen, apropos nothing but his own gut feeling, then pushing that Ukraine should basically just surrender its sovereignty and negotiate with a state that doesn't believe they should exist and has already broken a past agreement to protect their territorial integrity, and the U.S. should be encouraging the latter scenario despite the fact that it doesn't make political or strategic sense for the U.S. to do so. He's the worst example of a right-wing isolationist type who wants to attack America while overlooking the naked and insane aggression of Russia and thinking that the latter is still a rational actor:

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/2...t-in-fomenting-a-war-of-attrition-in-ukraine/
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/18/the-u-s-is-mindlessly-marching-toward-war-with-russia/
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/1...s-campaign-to-draw-nato-into-war-with-russia/
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/1...n-in-ukraine-risks-pulling-the-west-into-war/
https://thefederalist.com/2022/02/2...ted-the-russo-ukrainian-war-but-chose-not-to/
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/0...in-by-force-they-should-help-negotiate-peace/
https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/0...no-strategy-to-aid-ukraine-and-defeat-russia/
 
Zakharova is a stupid lying whore.

def not stupid. A whore? Absolutely. Cynical lying whore? Definitely! Very well paid one too. A lot of people sell their soul for less. Her father was either a diplomat or in the corps, but she finished MGIMO which was impossible to get in without connections.

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I am kind of curious how this all pans out for Russian-American families. Lavrov's daughter has a business in NYC, I wander how that fares.

One of the writers, Mashkov, who was one of the centerpiece at the Luzhniki show, he has daughter "actress" in Hollywood. After a month of war she finally came on record that she doesn't support the war, but you know that without her dad's cash you'd not make it anywhere. At least Peskov's daughter made anti-war posts the same week her bank card got canceled, still, smarter than a lot of others.


LMAO no, if Putin had committed all his forces into decapitating Kiev from the beginning instead of just sparing a portion of his men, he'd have Ukraine's capital by now. Sending in a human wave at this stage would be useless because he already sent his fully trained soldiers into the slaughter house where they're struggling to hold their gains while Moscow gets their shit logistics figured out. The logistics are so bad that the Russians are raiding grocery stores because they ran out of food. Every moment that passes is another Russian soldier dead, possibly at the hands of a conscripted Ukrainian civilian, so if both end up dead it can't even be counted as a 1:1 loss of equally valuable soldiers. Currently there's something like 200,000 men going up against how many millions of people?

I don't think that a lot of people get the scale of conflict. Russian total forces on the border were mere under 200k. (including the military orchestra "troops")

Just for reference, battle of Berlin, Soviet Union committed over 2 million troops and over 50'000 artillery pieces, and then they still fought street to street for weeks.

In the first battle of Kharkiv, more SS troops got killed, than in the entire conquest of Europe.
 
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I don't think that a lot of people get the scale of conflict. Russian total forces on the border were mere under 200k. (including the military orchestra "troops")

Just for reference, battle of Berlin, Soviet Union committed over 2 million troops and over 50'000 artillery pieces, and then they still fought street to street for weeks.

In the first battle of Kharkiv, more SS troops got killed, than in the entire conquest of Europe.

It's also comparing apples and oranges.

Modern warfare doesn't use the infantryman to hold ground in the same way it was during the War. It is about holding strategic points only and destroying the opposing forces ability to conduct their own warfare. This means targetting logistics, high ranking officers, materiel and machinery etc. 200,000 is still a city the size of Gateshead or Solihull for Bonglanders and Salt Lake City, UH and Augusta, GA for Amerifats.

What we've seen is the Ukranian side be able to conduct modern warfare after the initial Blyatskrieg attempt and steadily holding the Russians in place. The danger for the russians comes if those racing ahead and stretching out their already woeful supply lines get cut by Ukranian counter attacks, which seem to now be slowly happening over to the West of Kyiv as we speak.

Now, this part is speculation but I beleive the Ukranians have been trying to snap shut and encircle various russian units during this past week as noted by the Russians withdrawing from certain areas near Kyiv by the MOD briefings.

Each time so far, the Russians have spotted it and withdrawn. The Ukranians are apparently currently trying to encirle and create a pocket around Bucha which could see anything up to 10k russian troops encircled, which would be a series and significant blow to the Russians ability to continue an offensive.

Large columns of Russian PoWs would not make for good optics, no matter how hard Putin controls the media narrative.
 
You heard on the radio, you'd seen on TV show ... just like I predicted ... no Western news picked this up yet, a couple of hours ago events:

Azerbaijan is advancing in Kharabkh, purportedly because Russian troops are withdrawing to Ukraine (they did this morning, news with armor heading out)

This is developing situation, apparently two villages are already taken. If this shit goes, Georgia may consider jumping on board. At this point Russia is in no position to support Armenia.



 
You heard on the radio, you'd seen on TV show ... just like I predicted ... no Western news picked this up yet, a couple of hours ago events:

Azerbaijan is advancing in Kharabkh, purportedly because Russian troops are withdrawing to Ukraine (they did this morning, news with armor heading out)

This is developing situation, apparently two villages are already taken. If this shit goes, Georgia may consider jumping on board. At this point Russia is in no position to support Armenia.



So you're saying that Russian troops located in Armenia are leaving to join the fight in Ukraine, is that correct?
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I'm not even going to humor the prospect that Putin would ever hit the nuke button, that would be the end of his regime. The instant he shows a willingness to use nukes, not only would all bets be off, every other nuclear power would be obligated to decapitate Moscow ASAP before they get nuked too, because if Putin is willing to throw a nuke at Ukraine, he would be aware of the very highly probable nuclear retaliation aimed at him & would likely move to preemptively nuke a bunch of other nations to hurt them before they get a chance throw retaliatory nukes at him in the hopes of cutting them at the heel.

So basically, to nuke Ukraine he would have to nuke everyone he could & hope he fucked up their logistical ability to retaliate enough to get away with it, except he wouldn't because there are more nuclear reserves around the world than what he has at his disposal & plenty of nuclear submarines whose job is to wait until their country is nuked to throw a retaliatory nuke as a fail-deadly to guarantee they won't get nuked.

So no matter what, getting nukes involved means Moscow gets glassed.
 
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So you're saying that Russian troops located in Armenia are leaving to join the fight in Ukraine, is that correct?

this is from a week ago, Russians are planning to draw troops from Armenia and Southern parts to reinforce Ukraine.


Then there was a vid from one telegram channel of Russian armor heading out, that was like 10-12h ago (this morning)

Russia has also been further drawing troops from other parts of Russia to help in Ukraine, so it all kind of chimes in. I'd expect the news of Azeri advance be picked up later tonight or by morning eastern, if that's indeed true. Azeris are backed by Turkey and they have decisively drove Armenians out not too long ago, so it's low risk op for them and timing may be pretty good too. We'll have to wait for more news and confirmations.



Meanwhile, more on American chads fighting in Ukraine, destroying tanks with rockets and scoring unlimited waifu points (not to be confused with medical virgin volunteers who ran from Georgian batallion)


 
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