Science Marsha Blackburn asked Ketanji Brown Jackson to define 'woman.' Science says there's no simple answer. - There is no sufficient way to clearly define what makes someone a woman.

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In the 13th hour of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson's confirmation hearing Tuesday, Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) asked the Supreme Court nominee: “Can you provide a definition for the word ‘woman’?”

Jackson, appearing confused, responded, "I’m not a biologist.”

Blackburn chided Jackson, claiming that "the fact that you can’t give me a straight answer about something as fundamental as what a woman is underscores the dangers of the kind of progressive education that we are hearing about."

Senators on both sides of the aisle have used Jackson's confirmation hearing to air issues that have less to do with Jackson's qualifications and more to do with their respective parties. The exchange reflects the current state of gender politics in the U.S., as transgender swimmer Lia Thomas' recent NCAA win sparked a fierce debate over trans athletes, as a flurry of bills have sought to ban gender-affirming health care for trans youth, and as other bills have banned trans girls from participating in K-12 girls' sports. If Jackson is confirmed, it's inevitable she will preside over cases involving trans rights.

Scientists, gender law scholars and philosophers of biology said Jackson's response was commendable, though perhaps misleading. It's useful, they say, that Jackson suggested science could help answer Blackburn's question, but they note that a competent biologist would not be able to offer a definitive answer either. Scientists agree there is no sufficient way to clearly define what makes someone a woman, and with billions of women on the planet, there is much variation.

"I don't want to see this question punted to biology as if science can offer a simple, definitive answer," said Rebecca Jordan-Young, a scientist and gender studies scholar at Barnard College whose work explores the relationships between science and the social hierarchies of gender and sexuality. "The rest of her answer was more interesting and important. She said 'as a judge, what I do is I address disputes. If there's a dispute about a definition, people make arguments, and I look at the law, and I decide.' In other words, she said context matters – which is true in both biology and society. I think that's a pretty good answer for a judge."

'There isn't one single 'biological' answer to the definition of a woman'​

Blackburn tweeted after the exchange that "this is a simple question," and called Jackson's response "a major red flag."

But Jordan-Young said she sees Jackson's answer, particularly the second half, reflecting the necessity of nuance. While traditional notions of sex and gender suggest a simple binary – if you are born with a penis, you are male and identify as a man and if you are born with a vagina, you are female and identify as a woman – the reality, gender experts say, is more complex.

"There isn't one single 'biological' answer to the definition of a woman. There's not even a singular biological answer to the question of 'what is a female,'" Jordan-Young said.

There are at least six different biological markers of “sex” in the body: genitals, chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive structures, hormone ratios and secondary sex characteristics. None of the six is strictly dichotomous, Jordan-Young said, and the different markers don’t always align.

Sarah Richardson, a Harvard scholar, historian and philosopher of biology who focuses on the sciences of sex and gender and their policy dimensions, said Jackson's answer accurately reflects legal practice. While U.S. law remains an unsettled arena for the conceptualization and definition of sex, it frequently grounds sex categorization in biological evidence and reasoning.

But like Jordan-Young, Richardson emphasized that biology does not offer a simple or singular answer to the question of what defines a woman.

"As is so often the case, science cannot settle what are really social questions," she said. "In any particular case of sex categorization, whether in law or in science, it is necessary to build a definition of sex particular to context."

Experts say the category of 'woman' has always been in dispute​

Juliet Williams, a professor of gender studies at UCLA who specializes in gender and the law, said it's important to note this isn't an entirely new debate.

The category of woman has long been politically contested. Black women, she said, were not always welcomed in the category. For example, while the 19th Amendment granted women the right to vote, for decades many Black women were excluded from exercising it. During Jim Crow, there would be bathrooms labeled "men," "women" and "colored." The longstanding view of white supremacy denied recognition as women to Black women and women of color.

Williams said one can also look to the era of Phyllis Schlafly, an attorney and activist and the face of conservative women in the 1970s who argued against the Equal Rights Amendment, which would make discrimination on the basis of sex unconstitutional. Williams said Schlafly believed women's roles as homemakers were fundamental to how the category of woman was defined.

"There was an effort to define womanhood in very specific ways around roles of mothering and nurture, and to suggest that a society in which women's rights and opportunities were equal to men would essentially lead to a genderless, gender-neutral society," she said. "In other words, if women ceased acting like women, they would cease being women."

A fierce debate over trans women in sports​

Blackburn's questions reflect the current debate over Thomas, a transgender woman and member of the University of Pennsylvania swimming team who made history this month when she won an NCAA swimming competition in Division I.

Gender scholars and trans activists argue that critics are focused on Thomas' assignment as male at birth as the sole reason for her excellence. Thomas began transitioning in 2019 with hormone therapy, and while her swim times slowed, she remained a top competitor.

"Lots of people are assigned male at birth, have higher testosterone levels ... and could never make a Division I swimming team," said Kate Mason, a gender studies professor at Wheaton College who studies social inequality. "Why do we attribute her current success to her assigned sex, rather than to her long record as an elite swimmer?"

Experts say there can be standards for legal sex classification, but no one can legislate science​

Gender scholars say there can be standards for legal sex classification, but no one can legislate science.

"I do think that judges and justices sometimes have to make determinations about who is meant by 'man' or 'woman' in written statutes – and they may have to acknowledge the reality that sex and gender are not binary," Mason said. "I think Blackburn would prefer a world in which reality was much simpler."

Jordan-Young said some politicians have work to do on the issue of "fairness" for women.

"When Blackburn and the rest of her caucus support women’s full reproductive justice, when they aggressively try to solve the inequality of investment in girls’ and women’s sports – still true 50 years after Title IX made it illegal – when they take meaningful action on the persistent wage discrimination against women, especially women of color, then maybe it will make sense to engage their questions about who can count as a woman."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...anji-jackson-define-woman-science/7152439001/

 
Why do people think science can't be tainted by politics?

Anyone who has done bench or clinical research knows it is at least 50% politics. Another 40% is statistical fuckery. The last 10% is Real Science™

This is one of the major reasons I left research science and pursued seemingly greener pastures.

Because they think "lab coats+degrees+ big words = neutral, disinterested Mr. Spocks and Dr. Manhattans who couldn't possibly lie."

That's the image they like to cultivate. It couldn't be further from the truth for 99% of scientists.
 
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Why do people think science can't be tainted by politics?
Religious dogma. Atheist have created the pretense in society that science is uncorruptable. Ironically these same idiots forget the high priests class was once a thing and considered " thetruth/science" to the peons who could neither read nor write.
 
Why do people think science can't be tainted by politics?
Short answer, because they're retarded.

Long answer is that they have been trained to be retarded for longer than they've had voting rights, most likely. I started noticing the shift before I finished undergrad but the "I fucking LOVE science" meme shit started becoming more prevalent iirc around 2010 or so.

At the time I thought it was a good thing. "Cool, people are finally recognizing that science in general is great, let's fucking gooooo!"
Then it proceeded to devolve into a fervent worship of dogma and the very meaning of science was lost in the process.
The final nail in the rotted coffin was when they dropped all pretense or subtlety and started telling people it was unscientific to ask questions of "the science," nevermind that at least 50% of all scientific progress we have seen has directly resulted from people doing just that, challenging and improving upon the results someone else did.
Now the whole thing is a damn joke and even people who have spent their entire lives studying and practicing scientific research can be shunned from public as well as within the community, simply for hypothesizing or producing results different than the mainstream accepted.
 
Because they think "lab coats+degrees+ big words = neutral, disinterested Mr. Spocks and Dr. Manhattans who couldn't possibly lie."
This is basically the same logic that dumbfuck TJ Kirk used as to why we literally need a Ministry of Truth to tell us what is and isn't true. He thinks scientists can't be bought, coerced, or poisoned with ideology.
 
Add a couple of decades for climate change alarmism. You're not even allowed to say "sure, maybe it's getting warmer but how do we know that's bad?" without somebody foaming at the mouth.
"The current gas crisis is exactly why we need to start transitioning cars to electric!"
"How is using fossil fuels going to help us become less dependent on fossil fuels?"
"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" (rough translation)
 
"I don't want to see this question punted to biology as if science can offer a simple, definitive answer," said Rebecca Jordan-Young, a scientist and gender studies scholar
Imagine trying to use a "gender studies scholar" for your appeal to authority and expecting anything except revulsion and mockery. You might as well have said you consulted a pedophile regarding the age of consent. No fucking duh she said that women doesn't real, it's her job to do so. She's a paid establishment propagandist who exists to shift the Overton Window as far to the left of possible.
 
No one ever debated what a woman was before autogynephiles got the greenlight to be out and proud and make demands of society.



This is just making it all unnecessarily complex in order to obfuscate what biological sex is. There are rare conditions, like different chromosomes, but they're disorders and not other sexes. Transgender people aren't affected by these conditions, so it's irrelevant.
Yeah, this is like saying we can’t define what cancer is because there’s non-cancerous tumors. Or we can’t define what “overweight” means because there’s a few people with a build that causes their BMI to be way off.

Meanwhile, they can classify “white supremacy” to such precision they feel comfortable arresting people who display it.
 
But Jordan-Young said she sees Jackson's answer, particularly the second half, reflecting the necessity of nuance. While traditional notions of sex and gender suggest a simple binary – if you are born with a penis, you are male and identify as a man and if you are born with a vagina, you are female and identify as a woman – the reality, gender experts say, is more complex.

"There isn't one single 'biological' answer to the definition of a woman. There's not even a singular biological answer to the question of 'what is a female,'" Jordan-Young said.

There are at least six different biological markers of “sex” in the body: genitals, chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive structures, hormone ratios and secondary sex characteristics. None of the six is strictly dichotomous, Jordan-Young said, and the different markers don’t always align.
Weasel words.

This is her, by the way:

She knows full well what a woman is. She wrote a whole book on testosterone and mentions female people in her work. Also here.

She wrote papers on DSDs, she knows who they affect. She's bullshitting because gender theory is more important than sex.
 
No shit that's a major red flag. Even if you were to accept her sidestepping the definition, it goes against the very nature of the job she's applying for.

As part of the Supreme Court, your job is to see justice through according to your perspective of the law, and you need to have unwavering confidence in delivering that to people who willingly muddy the waters on morality to justify the actions that bring them before you in the first place.

A firm hand is needed, and if you can't answer the mere definition of a woman without caving to social pressures and showing no strength of character, you do not belong there. Their job is to see the verdict through regardless of how it stacks next to popular opinion.
 
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