The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

[Monolith]

futanari abby

you say that as if she doesn't already have a dick

 

[Prester John]

If only Putin had learned the lessons of The Last of Us Part 2, the cycle of violence could end.

 

[The handsome tard]

If only Putin had learned the lessons of The Last of Us Part 2, the cycle of violence could end.

After seeing and hearing some legit insane shit about Putin and how just "if he only could just learn his lesson like in MIP FiM!"....

I wouldnt be surprised if we legit get to hear that someday soon unironically

 

[Thiletonomics]

After seeing and hearing some legit insane shit about Putin and how just "if he only could just learn his lesson like in MIP FiM!"....

I wouldnt be surprised if we legit get to hear that someday soon unironically

I also can see someone using the Sylvanas redemption story in World of Warcraft, as what Putin should have done, as well.

 

[Neet Tokusatsu]

If only Putin had learned the lessons of The Last of Us Part 2, the cycle of violence could end.

After seeing and hearing some legit insane shit about Putin and how just "if he only could just learn his lesson like in MIP FiM!"....

I wouldnt be surprised if we legit get to hear that someday soon unironically

I also can see someone using the Sylvanas redemption story in World of Warcraft, as what Putin should have done, as well.

This is why i hate media with "lets all be friends!" or "revenge bad" kind of morals, it truly makes people weak and stupid. God help us if when we face a societal collapse or an invasion from another country these mushbrains decide the best course of action is to post Naruto and MLP quotes in social media.

 

[The handsome tard]

This is why i hate media with "lets all be friends!" or "revenge bad" kind of morals, it truly makes people weak and stupid. God help us if when we face a societal collapse or an invasion from another country these mushbrains decide the best course of action is to post Naruto and MLP quotes in social media.

Its not wrong to teach that no one is beyond redemption and changing their ways, BUT, they also must be taught that there is a limit to mercy and acceptance. If a criminal kills, he is arrested, does his time, he does it again? Then thats clearly a sign that he is a danger to us all he and must be eliminated. Too much empathy can and is a weakness.

"Close your heart to their suffering. Do not allow yourself to feel for them. They will not feel for you"

-Kratos

Sometimes there is just evil people in this world and no amount of mercy and patience will ever change them

Edit: Ah yes, I almost forgot to mention. We are also dealing with people that only want mercy to those they approve said mercy to, not to their political enemies, no matter how minor their "crimes" might be

 

[Neet Tokusatsu]

Its not wrong to teach that no one is beyond redemption and changing their ways, BUT, they also must be taught that there is a limit to mercy and acceptance. If a criminal kills, he is arrested, does his time, he does it again? Then thats clearly a sign that he is a danger to us all he and must be eliminated. Too much empathy can and is a weakness.

"Close your heart to their suffering. Do not allow yourself to feel for them. They will not feel for you"

-Kratos

Sometimes there is just evil people in this world and no amount of mercy and patience will ever change them

Edit: Ah yes, I almost forgot to mention. We are also dealing with people that only want mercy to those they approve said mercy to, not to their political enemies, no matter how minor their "crimes" might be

That's an interesting point, those double standards, people defending this game say how deep and mature it is because Ellie spared Abby, in their own words "There was no reason to kill her" as if somehow Ellie was morally obliged to forgive her even if it will put her life in danger eventually. But that's the thing, shouldn't "revenge bad" also apply to Abby too? shouldn't Abby try to forgive Joel instead of killing him? Why is, according to people still defending this game almost 2 years later, right for Abby to kill Joel in revenge but wrong for Ellie killing Abby for the same reason?.

Of course, we all know the reason for that is Druckman wanted Joel out of the picture to make way for his pet character, but it is kinda funny how the game justifies one character and condemns the other when both of them are doing the same thing.

 

[The handsome tard]

That's an interesting point, those double standards, people defending this game say how deep and mature it is because Ellie spared Abby, in their own words "There was no reason to kill her" as if somehow Ellie was morally obliged to forgive her even if it will put her life in danger eventually. But that's the thing, shouldn't "revenge bad" also apply to Abby too? shouldn't Abby try to forgive Joel instead of killing him? Why is, according to people still defending this game almost 2 years later, right for Abby to kill Joel in revenge but wrong for Ellie killing Abby for the same reason?.

Of course, we all know the reason for that is Druckman wanted Joel out of the picture to make way for his pet character, but it is kinda funny how the game justifies one character and condemns the other when both of them are doing the same thing.

Thats because we are dealing with people intellectually and morally inconsistent. And look, I get it, humans are a walking contradictions but we are suppose to try to stick by our morals and values consistently whenever possible.

Problem is I legit dont think these people have ACTUAL morals, they have the illusion of morals. They want the benefits but not the resposibilities. They can only imagine something working when its in THEIR favor, or else "it doesnt work" and that usually involves doing exactly the way they want.

One example is Kyle Rittenhouse. They dont CARE that there is all sort of evidence that the kid defended himself and the people he killed were, at the very least, awful criminals that forced him to shoot. They arent misguided, at least not accidentally so. All that matters to them is that Kyle represents all that they politically hate (doesnt matter Kyle said he supports BLM and at least was trying to become a nurse/doctor of sorts) and thus, even if its fair or not, he has to be destroyed. You will see the most liberal of people suddenly supporting the death penalty as long its on those that they hate. There is no middle ground, no context, no consideration of evidence from both sides.

Its an absolute with these people. Fair is only a word to them to bend to their preferences. Kyle is a devil and Floyd a saint, evidence contradicting that vision is at most denied and at worst oppressed away. Its human at its most basic and stupid.

We see this absolutism in TLOU Part 2 with Joel getting killed and yet Abby spared. It doesnt matter who Joel is, simply what he "represents" to these people. What Joel did wasnt right but there is evidences that prove it wasnt exactly wrong either, the Fireflies were desperate and flying too much on the "chance" a cure could be made...and if it didnt, oh well. Doesnt matter a girl had to die for their goals, its all ruthless calculus to them. Doesnt help they werent willing to negociate or discuss this at all with Joel and Ellen before pulling the scalps out. Joel reacted like a man like him would in that situation under those circunstances.

Abby, on the other hand, is extremely shallow as a character, she lacks Joel's complexity...tho they did try so hard to replicate it (more evidence Cuckmann wasnt responsible for the great writing of Part 1 for the most part). I wont go on and on since this post is big as it is but the point is that the "writers" didnt allow ambiguity, no relativism, only absolutism. Joel was deemed evil by the story so he is evil no matter what. Abby was deemed good by the story and so she is good no matter what.

And like Mr High Ground said once, only a Sith deals in absolute.

 

[TurkishOreo]

Thats because we are dealing with people intellectually and morally inconsistent. And look, I get it, humans are a walking contradictions but we are suppose to try to stick by our morals and values consistently whenever possible.

Problem is I legit dont think these people have ACTUAL morals, they have the illusion of morals. They want the benefits but not the resposibilities. They can only imagine something working when its in THEIR favor, or else "it doesnt work" and that usually involves doing exactly the way they want.

One example is Kyle Rittenhouse. They dont CARE that there is all sort of evidence that the kid defended himself and the people he killed were, at the very least, awful criminals that forced him to shoot. They arent misguided, at least not accidentally so. All that matters to them is that Kyle represents all that they politically hate (doesnt matter Kyle said he supports BLM and at least was trying to become a nurse/doctor of sorts) and thus, even if its fair or not, he has to be destroyed. You will see the most liberal of people suddenly supporting the death penalty as long its on those that they hate. There is no middle ground, no context, no consideration of evidence from both sides.

Its an absolute with these people. Fair is only a word to them to bend to their preferences. Kyle is a devil and Floyd a saint, evidence contradicting that vision is at most denied and at worst oppressed away. Its human at its most basic and stupid.

We see this absolutism in TLOU Part 2 with Joel getting killed and yet Abby spared. It doesnt matter who Joel is, simply what he "represents" to these people. What Joel did wasnt right but there is evidences that prove it wasnt exactly wrong either, the Fireflies were desperate and flying too much on the "chance" a cure could be made...and if it didnt, oh well. Doesnt matter a girl had to die for their goals, its all ruthless calculus to them. Doesnt help they werent willing to negociate or discuss this at all with Joel and Ellen before pulling the scalps out. Joel reacted like a man like him would in that situation under those circunstances.

Abby, on the other hand, is extremely shallow as a character, she lacks Joel's complexity...tho they did try so hard to replicate it (more evidence Cuckmann wasnt responsible for the great writing of Part 1 for the most part). I wont go on and on since this post is big as it is but the point is that the "writers" didnt allow ambiguity, no relativism, only absolutism. Joel was deemed evil by the story so he is evil no matter what. Abby was deemed good by the story and so she is good no matter what.

And like Mr High Ground said once, only a Sith deals in absolute.

Bruce Spangler does sound a bit like Tard Wrangler.

The scrapped "Kill Abby" ending was picked more than the "Spare Abby" for a reason until Cuckmann said no killing.

That ending reminds me of that shark film where test audiences disliked the woman who survived and liked the black guy who died. Filmmakers ended up changing the story so the dude lived and the bitch died

 

[The handsome tard]

Bruce Spangler does sound a bit like Tard Wrangler.

The scrapped "Kill Abby" ending was picked more than the "Spare Abby" for a reason until Cuckmann said no killing.

That ending reminds me of that shark film where test audiences disliked the woman who survived and liked the black guy who died. Filmmakers ended up changing the story so the dude lived and the bitch died

And that was the biggest evidence to my argument to Cuckmann's absolutism.

It doesnt matter even which ending was more picked, what mattered more is what HE wanted, what HE deemed fair and just. Either he was so delusional to assume that gamers at large would agree with him somehow despite evidence pointing otherwise...or he was just so arrogant to say that it didnt matter what gamers felt or wanted, only what HE wanted mattered.

Because the story was building up to this decision, leaving the player to decide to pull the trigger on Abby or not. To decide if she should die and if it was worth damning Ellen's soul even more to get said revenge (tho at this point she kind of passed the threshold but I digress)

And in the end...there is no pay off. Absolute none. Our choices were removed because Cuckmann feared that the majority wouldnt pick the one he wanted. He didnt make this a choice but simply the chance to get to finish the job ourselves. He didnt make this difficult, he didnt make this a decision that would split the community over what was the "correct" opinion if there was one at all. This choice could have been Part 2's equivalent of Joel's actions at the end of the first game, with there is having no easy answer as to what was the correct choice (again, if there was one at all). He made the "choice" a no brainer and the one almost everyone picked would never be the one he wanted. His absolutism reigned supreme and the choice was already made from the get go.

I see some people defending this, saying that a choice could have helped to change the ending slightly, for example, if you spared Abby, Ellen would return home to her loved ones waiting for her. If she killed Abby, then it would be the regular ending we got. And fair enough but sadly, those are just what ifs and could have beens. What we have now is something that has no pay off and it borderlines feels incomplete.

In the end, Ellen is alone, literally incomplete and there is not a speck of hope in the horizon.


There is a reason people call this the TLJ of video games because, at the end, what the hell is left? The legacy heroes were either killed pointlessly or ruined beyond fixing. The new heroes are bland at best and awful at worst. The universe feels smaller than ever and at the end, there is really a feeling of nihilistic hopelessness, even more on Part 2's case but it was still rather present in TLJ. And it was all done because of a man's out of control ego and absolutism (tho I say it was more ego and "not giving a shit" on Rian's part than moral absolutism from Cuckmann, different flavors but similar bad taste overall).

And both bring the question "where the hell do we go from here?"

TLJ's answer was The Rise of Skywalker and there are literally threads here talking about how it was as bad as TLJ just for different reasons.

What WILL be Part 2's answer? Assuming there will be one (Sony may not be public about it but they are very aware of the backlash and the fact the game wasnt the blockbuster they wanted as much as they claim it was.) I can see a Part 3 happening but, again, what story is there to tell unless we somehow focus on a new cast of characters? And at this point why even call it Part 3 then? Do we want to play as a broken Ellen probably going off to damn herself even more for whataever reason? Or as Abby and have players getting her killed on purpose again because she is literally one of the most hated video game characters in recent history?

There is no easy answer and thats what happens when you let ego and absolutism take over with no one to stop it. You destroy what people loved and leaves nothing in return but hollow feelings and nihilistic hopelessness.

And I suppose if there is a good way to describe the 2020's in a way, it is just that, everything we loved being replaced with hollowness and nihilistic hopelessness.

 

[TurkishOreo]

Something that might've helped Abby's story would be if Lev's mother herself started a revenge hunt of her own.

Basically the mother went after her children in order to save face or stay in the good graces of the group.

Abby would be forced to kill the mom to protect both siblings with Lev hating her for it.

The sister dies later on and with only Lev left who depends on her Abby realizes why Joel killed her dad.

Angry lesbian comes in and aborts the pregnant woman and her boyfriend forces her to go after said lesbians again.

Asian man and the cuck die in that fight and Lev just wants to leave with Abbie since he/she considers the whole revenge plot to be pointless.

 

[4STA]

Just another re-iteration of my points, which are being proven more and more correct over time. Most talented devs left due to crunch, morale is low and Cuckmann is a trash game studio lead. Furthermore, the sales are highly disappointing and there will never be a TLoU3. For sales, Sony still has 0 update since launch day and as a reminder, the game ended in bargain bins within a month. For development future of ND, no DLC, no Multiplayer despite this being in development pre TLou2 (leaks in this very thread of the footage, pre launch). This despite the alleged universal acclaim and massive sales, according to stans. Yet this is the first game since UC1 with no multiplayer (which again was in development, so no excuse of they never wanted to make it is allowed) or DLC. Hmmm.

And what has ND done since the trashfire of TLoU2? Keep insulting the majority of people not interested in the title, Cuckmann still makes nonsensical attempts of defending the story that only whatever remaining Stans still exist would ever entertain to this day on Twitter. And 1 patch, a year after release which unlocked the framerate for PS5. (PS5 automatically improves PS4 game performance to the limit, literally all they had to do was unlock the framerate, which took 1 year for ND in the absolute state they're in now)

Cuckmann is finally making a (trash, yes I am sure pre seeing it) TV show like he always wanted.. but games? From the gaming studio? Lolno, the only thing ND can even manage to shit out after who knows how many years is a "remaster" of TLoU1 where Cuckmann will 110% insert his OC CGI scenes retconning the plot of 1 and trying to still prop his horrendous sequel's plot. They're taking 2+ years and no one knows how long, maybe even 3, 4, 5+ years, to demake a game they already made. As if they can shit out TLoU3 Abby's adventure, Rape Ellie in what, 10+ year post 2? Not a chance, especially after the financial ruin of 2 already. And as a bonus, most of TLoU 2 sales were hype from 1. 3 would have an immensely lower opening than 1 and 2, which Sony and ND know from their data, which once again means no 3 ever.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Another character, that is only briefly mentioned in the game, will be making an appearance in the HBO show. It's pretty obvious that Joel is going to brutally murder this character, just because.

 

[The handsome tard]

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Another character, that is only briefly mentioned in the game, will be making an appearance in the HBO show. It's pretty obvious that Joel is going to brutally murder this character, just because.

Its a bit of a stretch that this isnt just the case of using the name that just happened to be mentioned in one of those artifacts. Hanna isnt a rare name so its likely its just another character altogether

Cuckmann is finally making a (trash, yes I am sure pre seeing it) TV show like he always wanted.. but games? From the gaming studio? Lolno, the only thing ND can even manage to shit out after who knows how many years is a "remaster" of TLoU1 where Cuckmann will 110% insert his OC CGI scenes retconning the plot of 1 and trying to still prop his horrendous sequel's plot. They're taking 2+ years and no one knows how long, maybe even 3, 4, 5+ years, to demake a game they already made. As if they can shit out TLoU3 Abby's adventure, Rape Ellie in what, 10+ year post 2? Not a chance, especially after the financial ruin of 2 already. And as a bonus, most of TLoU 2 sales were hype from 1. 3 would have an immensely lower opening than 1 and 2, which Sony and ND know from their data, which once again means no 3 ever.

Thats the thing, they will never admit that Part 2 was a failure all things considered. And they will tease (or at least Cuckmann will) Part 3 for years if not decades to come. He got what he wanted, he "won" but he is still too petty to not reassure his haters that Part 3 is still "happening soon".

 

[Vault Boy]

Thats the thing, they will never admit that Part 2 was a failure all things considered. And they will tease (or at least Cuckmann will) Part 3 for years if not decades to come. He got what he wanted, he "won" but he is still too petty to not reassure his haters that Part 3 is still "happening soon".

So, basically like the Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy that's totally still a thing. But I don't know man, what else does Naughty Dog have at this point beyond The Last of Us? Uncharted had a fitting enough conclusion and doesn't jive with Druckman's rather nihilistic mindset, and Jak & Daxter is so old that I can see it getting farmed to another developer like what happened with Sly Cooper 4.

Maybe they'll do a new IP to give themselves some space, but I foresee them turning into a one-trick pony out of spite.

 

[Titos]

So, basically like the Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy that's totally still a thing. But I don't know man, what else does Naughty Dog have at this point beyond The Last of Us? Uncharted had a fitting enough conclusion and doesn't jive with Druckman's rather nihilistic mindset, and Jak & Daxter is so old that I can see it getting farmed to another developer like what happened with Sly Cooper 4.

Maybe they'll do a new IP to give themselves some space, but I foresee them turning into a one-trick pony out of spite.

Frankly I would say they are going to take one of 3 (maybe 4) routes.

1:Rumored thing is a new IP based on their shitty sci-fi comic book thing they have in TLOU2 just like they had a hint for TLOU in Uncharted 3
2:They make Uncharted 5 following Drakes daughter and it turns into some edgy bullshit
3:They try to make Jak 4 again and end up making it into a shitty Uncharted clone that makes the edgiest parts of the previous Jak games look tame
4:They spend a bunch of time trying to make a new IP but it gets absolutely nowhere and the studio almost faces closure just like Sony Santa Monica did before rebooting GoW

 

[Marissa Moira]

Frankly I would say they are going to take one of 3 (maybe 4) routes.

1:Rumored thing is a new IP based on their shitty sci-fi comic book thing they have in TLOU2 just like they had a hint for TLOU in Uncharted 3
2:They make Uncharted 5 following Drakes daughter and it turns into some edgy bullshit
3:They try to make Jak 4 again and end up making it into a shitty Uncharted clone that makes the edgiest parts of the previous Jak games look tame
4:They spend a bunch of time trying to make a new IP but it gets absolutely nowhere and the studio almost faces closure just like Sony Santa Monica did before rebooting GoW

Uncharted's movie apparently did very well and grossed it's budget multiple times over. I don't think they're going to get rid of Drake as the center any time soon.

A new Jak game also will probably be done by a different studio, Sony owns the IP not Naughty Dog and that's one they've been shopping around for a while if rumors are to be believed. There's now stronger evidence for a new Sly Cooper game coming and Jak was also heavily referenced in Easter eggs just as much for recent games.

 

[The handsome tard]

So, basically like the Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy that's totally still a thing. But I don't know man, what else does Naughty Dog have at this point beyond The Last of Us? Uncharted had a fitting enough conclusion and doesn't jive with Druckman's rather nihilistic mindset, and Jak & Daxter is so old that I can see it getting farmed to another developer like what happened with Sly Cooper 4.

Maybe they'll do a new IP to give themselves some space, but I foresee them turning into a one-trick pony out of spite.

I could see a Jak and Daxter reboot, try to do some of its ideas that went poorly, just now better. I tell people that a S.C reboot is more likely than S.C 5 happening at this point as well. Just accept that these series ends in cliffhangers that will never be solved (and it sucks, I know) and try again with a new generation. God of War was lucky because of its creative vision being able to move on to other mythologies and evolve Kratos beyond of what we knew.

But the future of NG is difficult to predict, I doubt we will see another game of theirs, it will just be ports or remake of Part 1. I just dont see Sony trusting them anytime soon with anything

 

[Marissa Moira]

I could see a Jak and Daxter reboot, try to do some of its ideas that went poorly, just now better. I tell people that a S.C reboot is more likely than S.C 5 happening at this point as well. Just accept that these series ends in cliffhangers that will never be solved (and it sucks, I know) and try again with a new generation. God of War was lucky because of its creative vision being able to move on to other mythologies and evolve Kratos beyond of what we knew.

But the future of NG is difficult to predict, I doubt we will see another game of theirs, it will just be ports or remake of Part 1. I just dont see Sony trusting them anytime soon with anything

The next sly cooper game is rumored to be a sequel and not a reboot, they even updated the website

Ratchet and Clank was a full on sequel with the tutorial level acting as a series summery to get people up to speed.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

At least the name is accurate.

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