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It's the same one from Legion that gives recolored tier sets from Tomb of Sangeras now, it used to be linked to legion timewalking but it's permanent now.
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It's the same one from Legion that gives recolored tier sets from Tomb of Sangeras now, it used to be linked to legion timewalking but it's permanent now.
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Just do a private server or do a solo server so you can boost yourself and have gm commands enabled for sandbox shit.
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You overestimate my tech savviness if you think I have a clue how to make any of that happen...
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I like the story tho. it's not especially zoomer centric and in your face about it, but it's there. also one of the few stories who gave me legit feels.
there are also nice bits where you meet quests npcs after doing their sidequests when you finish a zone's main story and listen what they're up to etc. (I assume most people don't notice because they do the main story first and play content out of order).
as for combat it's just different. wouldn't say better or worse (I know people that absolute hate tab-target combat for example), but it doesn't help that ESO only gives you the tools, everything else you have to figure out yourself (like content order), which again some might like, some don't. once you understand you have to time a mouse click between every GCD and get used to it it's easy going.
biggest difference imho is that the game doesn't feel like it wants to waste your time (even the sub is optional, you can still buy content a la carte to get the access you want). ain't got time for shit like @BridgeTroll mentioned. even got me back into raiding (2h two times a week is easy to handle), but there's still more stuff to do and grind if I want to, while knowing exactly what I'm gonna get out of it (like gear drops for the most part are a matter of when a certain piece drops, not if, and then you can still trade if a groupmember gets it before you).
WoW feels like it's still stuck in 2004 and only got worse in it's systems while other games improved them (which includes even crap like gw2).
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That's because WoW actively fights its players. There have been online dev meltdowns about people solving things too quickly because of information on the internet and how they want to subvert that. There's also a rumor that Shadowlands was supposed to have a different story but it was changed last second because some of it was leaked, and the people in charge couldn't handle players being right about the leak.
The other thing is that for all the blame they threw on the Persian Playboy, the new writers are probably worse as instead of building on what already happened and living with it, they wrote the bullshit about how Elune allowed the tree to be nuked to help the Winter Queen because apparently Elune's retarded.
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The Sylvanas book is seems to be attempting to set up that even as a child she resorted to harming others. That vengeance was always her first resort.
First thid of the story done and Lirath is still alive and Nathanos just showed up (If this becomes Twilight Romance Story I may puke).
Halfway through and now Vereesa supposedly caused Lirath's death by training him to fight and Sylvanas has to be restrained from hurting and/or killing her. (I do not know the lore enough to know if this is a retcon) Lore'thmar appears to have realzied Sylvanas is unstable.
They really are apt to make it that she was always crazy. They have her poisoning her own troops now. And there we go shes fucking Nathanos now....Maybe Danuser wrote this and not Golden.
And now Arthas has her slaughtering children and most of silvermoon.
They now have her returning to her friends after breaking free and hearing that they think shes a monster and that shes pretty much at fault for all Arthas made her do.
They are playing that Sylvanas has no ability to feel good emotions as an undead. They also make constant comments that her physical body feels like its not her own nor a part of her.
She has just molded Nathanos back into her comrade, because she feels no one but him will abandon her.
They are also playing that she never felt anything for her people:
"Everyone, everything, was a weapon, now, to be aimed and released wherever she so chose. Certainly the Horde and its leaders, but even the Forsaken themselves, for Sylvanas Windrunner knew three things: They loved her, and that love was as pure and true as creatures such as they could offer. And the last truth, one she could never reveal, was that any semblance of compassion she felt for them depended entirely on their continued usefulness to her ambitions."
Now she fully supported the torturing of the Forsaken for the blight.
The Jailer made her beleive that Frostmourne was used to bind his will as well and between moments of torture and agony he would give her glimpses of hop in joining him to end it. She also realizes that he in essence is Frostmourne itself.
So the Jailer pretty much tortures her so that she will agree and beleive him. The Valk'yr were sent by him to persuade her that he was truly offering her the ability to transcend the cycle of death.
He also tells her shes been deemed past any redemption and nothing will change that unless she joins him. When she asks the valkyr to show her the good of the shadowlands they only show her situations where people are stripped from their loved ones for all eternity. The torture of revendreath, etc.
The jailer informs her that she must remove all attachments to the world and only destroy, so she does.
He gave her prophecies of what would happen to prove his loyalty to her and as they came true she fell more into his spell.
The burning of Teredressail was by order of hte jailer to send more anima into the shadowlands.
It ends with her seeing Lirath in Andiun and that being why she was so hesitant to hurt him. When Anduiin calls this out to her she goes full on paranoid unhinged and makes the decision to force the mournblade.
And so ends Sylvanas's fate:
"Sylvanas had turned to the night elf leader, Tyrande Whisperwind, for her judgment, because she knew no matter how cruel it was, Tyrande’s punishment would be just. And so it was. Tyrande, rigid with rage tightly leashed, had led Sylvanas to the edge of the Maw. It was in this place, Tyrande decreed, that her penance would begin. Every soul lost in its depths, betrayed or condemned, you shall find and send forth to the Arbiter. Both women knew the task was all but impossible. Souls had been entering the Maw since the very creation of the machine of death. Tyrande smiled coldly as she saw the realization on Sylvanas’s face. You will toil there, the high priestess had said, savoring the words, scouring every darkened reach, until the final soul is free, and you are all that remains. This is how you shall bring renewal to your victims, and my people."
Which means shes sure to return 10.0 all squeaky clean and shiny.
First thid of the story done and Lirath is still alive and Nathanos just showed up (If this becomes Twilight Romance Story I may puke).
Halfway through and now Vereesa supposedly caused Lirath's death by training him to fight and Sylvanas has to be restrained from hurting and/or killing her. (I do not know the lore enough to know if this is a retcon) Lore'thmar appears to have realzied Sylvanas is unstable.
They really are apt to make it that she was always crazy. They have her poisoning her own troops now. And there we go shes fucking Nathanos now....Maybe Danuser wrote this and not Golden.
And now Arthas has her slaughtering children and most of silvermoon.
They now have her returning to her friends after breaking free and hearing that they think shes a monster and that shes pretty much at fault for all Arthas made her do.
They are playing that Sylvanas has no ability to feel good emotions as an undead. They also make constant comments that her physical body feels like its not her own nor a part of her.
She has just molded Nathanos back into her comrade, because she feels no one but him will abandon her.
They are also playing that she never felt anything for her people:
"Everyone, everything, was a weapon, now, to be aimed and released wherever she so chose. Certainly the Horde and its leaders, but even the Forsaken themselves, for Sylvanas Windrunner knew three things: They loved her, and that love was as pure and true as creatures such as they could offer. And the last truth, one she could never reveal, was that any semblance of compassion she felt for them depended entirely on their continued usefulness to her ambitions."
Now she fully supported the torturing of the Forsaken for the blight.
The Jailer made her beleive that Frostmourne was used to bind his will as well and between moments of torture and agony he would give her glimpses of hop in joining him to end it. She also realizes that he in essence is Frostmourne itself.
So the Jailer pretty much tortures her so that she will agree and beleive him. The Valk'yr were sent by him to persuade her that he was truly offering her the ability to transcend the cycle of death.
He also tells her shes been deemed past any redemption and nothing will change that unless she joins him. When she asks the valkyr to show her the good of the shadowlands they only show her situations where people are stripped from their loved ones for all eternity. The torture of revendreath, etc.
The jailer informs her that she must remove all attachments to the world and only destroy, so she does.
He gave her prophecies of what would happen to prove his loyalty to her and as they came true she fell more into his spell.
The burning of Teredressail was by order of hte jailer to send more anima into the shadowlands.
It ends with her seeing Lirath in Andiun and that being why she was so hesitant to hurt him. When Anduiin calls this out to her she goes full on paranoid unhinged and makes the decision to force the mournblade.
And so ends Sylvanas's fate:
"Sylvanas had turned to the night elf leader, Tyrande Whisperwind, for her judgment, because she knew no matter how cruel it was, Tyrande’s punishment would be just. And so it was. Tyrande, rigid with rage tightly leashed, had led Sylvanas to the edge of the Maw. It was in this place, Tyrande decreed, that her penance would begin. Every soul lost in its depths, betrayed or condemned, you shall find and send forth to the Arbiter. Both women knew the task was all but impossible. Souls had been entering the Maw since the very creation of the machine of death. Tyrande smiled coldly as she saw the realization on Sylvanas’s face. You will toil there, the high priestess had said, savoring the words, scouring every darkened reach, until the final soul is free, and you are all that remains. This is how you shall bring renewal to your victims, and my people."
Which means shes sure to return 10.0 all squeaky clean and shiny.
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so how does that work with the redemption arc, how do you redeem a villain who the lower than highschool fanfiction tier writing made a villain since birth?
apparently character development and change never happens, was arthas always a cunt, jaina always a spastic and will anduin be forever a naive child in the body of a grown ass man?
I hate modern writing so fucking much...
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Truthfully I felt the book read like a fanfiction more then anything in the end it has no meaning to the character at all.
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This is hilarious given that her whole thing in WC3 was 'selfless sacrifice in the face of impossible odds' in defending her homeland, which made her becoming an evil, calculating villain who wanted nothing more than vengeance on Arthas for the life and land that he destroyed make a ton of sense.
Instead she's just a sociopath from day one. lol
AKA the background quests we did w/ Arthas back in Wrath. They are really devoid of any sort of original thoughts, eh?
I'm guessing it's going to be along the lines of Rorshach's little spiel. "You'll look up and ask for help and I'll look down and whisper 'no.'"
And everyone should think what a badass Sylvanas is because she's doing so many badass things, guise.
There's going to be some calamity that is just going to require Sylvanas and she's going to get to look all smug and have Tyrande eat humble pie because oh my gosh isn't Sylvanas the greatest thing ever yass queen slay. (EDIT: Or she's just going to be some tortured edgelord who just can't 'believe' she can be a good guy. Angst, angst, angst.)
Unless her head was on a pike ala Onyxia in Stormwind she is going to come back.
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Considering shes not trapped there in anyway and the only thing keeping her to her word is Tyrandes Owl shes definitely coming back probably with some nice fried moonkin chicken.
Forgot to put the part before the Mah'gora where Nathanos is like YOUR MY WORLD COME WITH ME WE CAN BE Happy.
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So is Sylvanas basically thotty zombie Anakin Skywalker now?
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You take that back right now.
Sylvanas is so much worse than Anakin Skywalker as a character it's not even funny. Anakin has flaws that make him who he is, actual conflict. Sylvanas just has Steve Danuser and his self-insert, Simpthanos Blueballer, to pass out Idiot Balls to the rest of the cast to make her look good (and to give her impregnable Plot Armor).
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Nah, it'll probably be next expansion when she becomes the Chosen One.
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I'm calling it: Sylvanas eventually does a heroic sacrifice and turns into a being of pure energy to save the world. You know, exactly like Kerrigan, only she'll be glowing blue, not yellow.
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Onyxia's head was on a pike in Stormwind and she still came back.
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No one in WoW truly dies, they just suffer a series of minor setbacks.
Wait, so she joined him knowing he was essentially Arthas and she hate Arthas, but hey the Jailer can torture her way harder than Arthas so genocide it is then?
Also, that last part is pretty much all we saw of the Shadowlands either, everything either got mind wiped by the greeks, turned into abominations, turned into mulch, or buck broken into submission by really gay bucktooth vampires.
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Was pretty bored by that part, but that seemed ot be her reaction and what he was saying.
All of this weird hoop jumping to try to improve sylvanas’ image, make her sympathetic, and give her a punishment that won’t lay a scratch on her pretty puss-filled flesh.
When it would gave been more satisfying and less time consuming to use mortal strike followed by an execute.
When it would gave been more satisfying and less time consuming to use mortal strike followed by an execute.
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I just find it funny that fucking Sylvanas now can be said to be written worse than either of XIV's worst written characters: Lyse Hext and Zenos. (The former dropped out of the limelight and the latter get ended for real). All because the writers didn't want her to die OR be portrayed in a bad light.