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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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All part of an elaborate plan mate. Putin really wasted those VDV men and T72/T80/T90s as fodder as a decoy. Honest. By the time the REAL attack happens Ukrainian defense forces will be so tired from pulling the triggers on their rifles they won't be able to take out the 24th wave of men.
Putin = Zapp Brannigan at this point:

since we have air superiority, might as well let the zoomies know not to kill you.
Shame they're all too often trigger happy retards who'll fucking ignore the markings anyway
  • The pilots convinced themselves that the orange identification panels were in fact orange rocket launchers.
  • POPOV36 decided to attack, saying he is "rolling in" without permission from the Forward Air Controller.
  • POPOV35 asked for artillery to fire a marker round into the target area to clear up confusion, but POPOV36 attacked without waiting for it.
  • POPOV36 strafed the column for a second time, but still doubted its identity.
 
Because the Ukraine invasion decision was more recent. Putin likely planned something like the current fiasco for a long time, it’s just that COVID-19, his oil production spat with Saudi Arabia and other factors delayed things. I have no doubt he would have tried a similar thing if Trump won a second term. But Trump as a useful idiot was mostly in the realm of disrupting the sleeping giant Russia can’t afford to piss off directly, and one Trump was whining about and saying he planned on withdrawing from and not committing to: NATO.

Trump as a useful idiot drove some serious cracks into the NATO structure by waffling on Article 5 and in general acting like an ass to about every European nation. He was no puppet as I said before. But he was acting in ways very beneficial to Putin, flirting with lifting sanctions, and so on. Do I think he was under Russian control? God no. Do I think that he thought Putin was someone he could work with? Yes. And Putin happily exploited that. I would bet you he might have tried something with the Baltics instead in a year or two of a second term of Trump, especially if he tried to pull out of NATO.

By the way, the sideshow in Syria where we missiled a base? We told the Russians it was coming and to get their people out first. It’s also important to note the decision to engage Wagner was made because they were attacking a position held by US troops, and they’re a PMC. Russia tried to play funny, US commanders reminded the Russians that playing deniability shenanigans with them ended in dead Russians the same way it did with Korea and Vietnam. In general, the Trump Admin’s foreign policy was a mess, but it did have some good decisions and I agreed with a lot of the goals of it, but the methods and ways it tried to do it were often enough fuckups. But that’s off topic.

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On topic, the UK Ministry of Defense is worth following through all of this. They put our daily press releases. Otherwise though, images coming out from after the retreat of heavy equipment lost by the Russians keep pouring in.
If the recent past is any guide, any Russian landing would be a massacre. Odesa and adjacent coastline is well protected. My guess is to consolidate the Kherson, Crimea to Donbass strip with reducing remaining Ukrainian positions like Mariupol a priority for any consolation peace. Perhaps the extra land might be held until Ukraine agrees to cede Crimea and Donbass, but that seems unlikely to work.
 
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Evidence of both please.
Check my profile, some autists bugged me about it.
If the recent past is any guide, any Russian landing would be a massacre. Odesa and adjacent coastline is well protected. My guess is to consolidate the Kherson, Crimea to Donbass strip with reducing remaining Ukrainian positions like Mariupol a priority for reduction.
Saving Private Ivan is especially unlikely to happen after Orsk/Saratov got deleted by the Ukrainians.
 
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@Gehenna sorry to bother you but i could use your Political expertise regarding The Whole India Shebang, you have any predictions on USA rections towards India or what will happen in mid and longer term ?
 
If Russia's position is that the West has been overtaken by Globohomo, why would they seek out friendly relations with us? The US of 2022 is not the US of decades past. We are a cucked nation.



Because that has always been political bullshit. It's nice to see people start to notice.

Meanwhile, Zelensky when asked about his support for the Azov Nazi's and their torture and murder of POW's said "Meh, they are who they are. It's our team so it's all good":

Jesus fucking christ, take that globohomo shit and shove it up your eager ass already you closet case. You people are so fucking obsessed with that homo shit you really should reevaluate your orientation.

If the choice is between globohomo and a fucking retarded dictators like "Everyone I don't like is a nazi, 'special' operation" Putin and "Zero Covid with Chinese Characteristics" Xi I'll take globohomo.
 
Well, I'm not sure hyperfocusing on admitting your manlust in a madpost like that by ignoring half the quote does any favors, but you do you champ.
 
If Russia's position is that the West has been overtaken by Globohomo, why would they seek out friendly relations with us? The US of 2022 is not the US of decades past. We are a cucked nation.
Except Russia today is more cucked than America ever was. There's a reason smart Russians leave the country; all the industries are monopolized, and dissent is punished with imprisonment or "poisonings".

And yes, this is still the state where the church is a state puppet, economic competition is dead, and they're bringing in more central Asian immigration because their populace is dying off.

It makes the modern USA look like 1950s America.

Because that has always been political bullshit. It's nice to see people start to notice.

Meanwhile, Zelensky when asked about his support for the Azov Nazi's and their torture and murder of POW's said "Meh, they are who they are. It's our team so it's all good":
Look at you chimping about Nazis like a standard leftist.

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And again, we've yet to see proof those were just innocent Russians and not artillerymen who have murdered innocents by the bucketloads. We've seen tons of evidence of Ukrainians sparing Russians and even letting them leave the front.
 
Well, I'm not sure hyperfocusing on admitting your manlust in a madpost like that by ignoring half the quote does any favors, but you do you champ.
Nobody gives two shits abou Azov after seeing that Russians are fucking worse, if anything, what Russians are doing is justifying the existence of such fucked up outfits and will only serve to create more of them.

There was a way to deal with them specifically but Putin decided his sandbox really needed to be expanded by Ukraine, all Azov is to Russia is a fucking excuse to stage an intervention and show everyone they can outnazi them.

Happy?
 
Nobody gives two shits abou Azov after seeing that Russians are fucking worse, if anything, what Russians are doing is justifying the existence of such fucked up outfits and will only serve to create more of them.

There was a way to deal with them specifically but Putin decided his sandbox really needed to be expanded by Ukraine, all Azov is to Russia is a fucking excuse to stage an intervention and show everyone they can outnazi them.

Happy?
Eh, I'm not sure it's productive to engage in Comparative Nazi Exercises, but other than that you're pretty much right in my book.
 
Jesus fucking christ, take that globohomo shit and shove it up your eager ass already you closet case. You people are so fucking obsessed with that homo shit you really should reevaluate your orientation.

Calm down princess, nobody cares that you're gay. We just don't think people like you should groom kids to be trannies.
 
Because the Ukraine invasion decision was more recent. Putin likely planned something like the current fiasco for a long time, it’s just that COVID-19, his oil production spat with Saudi Arabia and other factors delayed things. I have no doubt he would have tried a similar thing if Trump won a second term. But Trump as a useful idiot was mostly in the realm of disrupting the sleeping giant Russia can’t afford to piss off directly, and one Trump was whining about and saying he planned on withdrawing from and not committing to: NATO.

Trump as a useful idiot drove some serious cracks into the NATO structure by waffling on Article 5 and in general acting like an ass to about every European nation. He was no puppet as I said before. But he was acting in ways very beneficial to Putin, flirting with lifting sanctions, and so on. Do I think he was under Russian control? God no. Do I think that he thought Putin was someone he could work with? Yes. And Putin happily exploited that. I would bet you he might have tried something with the Baltics instead in a year or two of a second term of Trump, especially if he tried to pull out of NATO.

By the way, the sideshow in Syria where we missiled a base? We told the Russians it was coming and to get their people out first. It’s also important to note the decision to engage Wagner was made because they were attacking a position held by US troops, and they’re a PMC. Russia tried to play funny, US commanders reminded the Russians that playing deniability shenanigans with them ended in dead Russians the same way it did with Korea and Vietnam. In general, the Trump Admin’s foreign policy was a mess, but it did have some good decisions and I agreed with a lot of the goals of it, but the methods and ways it tried to do it were often enough fuckups. But that’s off topic.

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On topic, the UK Ministry of Defense is worth following through all of this. They put our daily press releases. Otherwise though, images coming out from after the retreat of heavy equipment lost by the Russians keep pouring in.
Telling NATO to pay their fail share was not a bad idea. Trump wanting to surpport NATO only if they stop messing around and started paying more of the share. I honestly don't think Trump was a useful idiot. I seriously think putin did the invasion now because after a year of seeing Biden as a clear mental unfit president encourage him.
 
Calm down princess, nobody cares that you're gay. We just don't think people like you should groom kids to be trannies.
I believe that's a problem that will fix itself as more and more people become exposed to it, people are peaking on that issue and there's more and more legitimate pushback against it but I can see how you might feel it's hopeless when you're terminally online in the A&N board hyperventilating about articles from shit tier websites nobody would know existed if their articles weren't posted here.

All the worst globohomo shit also happens in the east, only real difference is, it's happening deep under the surface and nobody is allowed to talk about it, covering up your problems isn't a solution and we are at least aware of most of our problems.

The west will fall regardless but you really don't want the east to be strong as it does because you're really not going to like their version of global ambitions either.

Believe what you will though, simp for Putin because he's fighting nazis and Israel hasn't condemned him yet so it's Kosher to do so as a bonus.
 
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Dude have you seen the dead pictures of civilians. It's clear the Russians arent innocent. Let me guess you belive in the lie that Ukrainians did it to blame Russia?

Of course, I don't hold Russia blameless. This thread is a circle jerk though so I llke to add balance. Too many people are pretending Ukraine is blameless despite repeatedly poking the bear, and then demanding the middle class taxpayers in the US fix things. Fuck that. Stop listening to US "Advisers" (totally not CIA) knowing they're fucking neocon warmongers. You fell for it, that's your fucking problem.
 
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@Gehenna sorry to bother you but i could use your Political expertise regarding The Whole India Shebang, you have any predictions on USA rections towards India or what will happen in mid and longer term ?
India is unpredictable, because as people pointed out, there's a lot of pro and cons of India supporting Russia. What I'm seeing is that just as Saudi, Modiis most likely willing to abandon Russia if the West gave him some guarantee they won't bother his government about their ultranasionalist Hindutva shit
Telling NATO to pay their fail share was not a bad idea. Trump wanting to surpport NATO only if they stop messing around and started paying more of the share. I honestly don't think Trump was a useful idiot. I seriously think putin did the invasion now because after a year of seeing Biden as a clear mental unfit president encourage him.
What I'm thinking is that what changed the most is not Biden being a president, but Covid-19. The pandemic destroyed any sort of recovery Russia had after 2014 sanctions, and also killed lots of their people when their population is already ina state of serious decline. There's also Putin increasingly going paranoid, even isolating himself, and feared for his life especially because of the Covid
 

Basically, yes.

The right wants a government that is strong against foreign threats but does little for welfare; Russia has that. The Russian government spends billions every day in its war against Ukraine, while the average Russian lives in abject poverty.

The right wants a country that strongly projects "Christian values". Russia has that with their Orthodox Church, which is supported by the State. Oh, and by the way, the Church has been thoroughly infiltrated by the KGB decades ago, and its higher-ups are basically Kremlin stooges who preach obedience to the law.

The right wants a government that doesn't butt in on economic matters like trust-busting, well, Russia has that: they have oligarchs who monopolized Russian businesses, which is what happens when robber barons and their monopolies aren't kept in check. This has led to a massive brain drain where industrious and intelligent Russians who can't make it big thanks to the monopolies, flee to America to start their business, instead of making money at home and paying taxes to the Kremlin.

The right wants a masculine, militaristic, and patriotic culture where real men give their lives for the nation. Russia has that; as you said, they created a death cult around WW2 where they make sure everyone never forgets their role in it. Not to mention that in this war against Ukraine, their war against "GLOBOHOMO", they've got no concerns for the lives of their soldiers. And of course, their definition of "real men" basically amounts to the old Roman way where the "real men" exert their dominance by sexually abusing younger boys.

The right wants a strong man to rally behind, decrying previous leaders like George W. Bush as too soft. Well, Russia has that strongman in Putin, but they're stuck with him and can't get rid of him, even as his tard-raging is destroying the country.

Basically, everything that the modern right wants, Russia has. And yet it's the country where the church is the puppet of the state, boys are conscripted into an army where they're sexually abused and treated like disposable pawns, the strongman of the country is ruining it just to propel his ambitions of power, monopolies have destroyed all economic competition, and the average Russian lives in squalor while their elites live like gods on Mount Olympus, with Putin as their Zeus/Jupiter.

Russia and the modern right is the biggest case of "be careful what you wish for".


Four words: "GOOD SOLDIERS FOLLOW ORDERS." It's been that way in Russia since Tsarist times, and the change to Communist Party bosses and capitalist oligarchs did little to make a difference. Russia has always been an imperial culture where questioning orders is met, at most, with a slap to the face, and at worst, with a one-way ticket to Siberia. Or a bullet to the head.
Do any of you even talk to people on the Right? I mean besides watching Tucker Carlson. Most of the rights views on Putin os he is an evil voldka nigger that we should fortify against. But going balls deep into Ukraine and directly risking war with Putin is not in the US peoples National Interests. Not our Mess, Not Our Monkeys. Happily pour in weapons to make Putin Bleed. But that's it. No Nato membership. No more security guaratees. We are not the worlds on call mercenary force.
 
India is unpredictable, because as people pointed out, there's a lot of pro and cons of India supporting Russia. What I'm seeing is that just as Saudi, Modiis most likely willing to abandon Russia if the West gave him some guarantee they won't bother his government about their ultranasionalist Hindutva shit

What I'm thinking is that what changed the most is not Biden being a president, but Covid-19. The pandemic destroyed any sort of recovery Russia had after 2014 sanctions, and also killed lots of their people when their population is already ina state of serious decline. There's also Putin increasingly going paranoid, even isolating himself, and feared for his life especially because of the Covid
True Putin has become even more mentally unstable. I mean he was always a corrupt human being. But lately he's been acting more deranged.

I think my post and your post may both be correct. As in a mix of all those things are probably the reasons that lead for Putin to invade Ukraine.
 
Calm down princess, nobody cares that you're gay. We just don't think people like you should groom kids to be trannies.

Again, you're one to talk, since the side you support conscripts men into an army where they are sexually abused and dominated by their fellow soldiers.

Do any of you even talk to people on the Right? I mean besides watching Tucker Carlson. Most of the rights views on Putin os he is an evil voldka nigger that we should fortify against. But going balls deep into Ukraine and directly risking war with Putin is not in the US peoples National Interests. Not our Mess, Not Our Monkeys. Happily pour in weapons to make Putin Bleed. But that's it. No Nato membership. No more security guaratees. We are not the worlds on call mercenary force.

We are. We guarantee the safety and security of the world to ensure free trade and harmony. Because letting the world turn into Somalia 2.0 is bad for business and the world at large.
 
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