Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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Ngl, coal fires are comfy af and I recommend them to everyone. Plus you get to hang the kids stockings up on the mantelpiece at Christmas and the dog will thank you for having a warm place to lay down. It's everything Clark Griswold ever wanted.

I try not to judge people on their politics, because politics is mostly retarded anyway. However, every single neo nazi I've ever heard of has turned out to be some sort of demented faggot, inbred trailer trash, scumbag fed, or all three. They're born losers and the Ukrainian version seems no different. Sad! Gay! Gas!

Nazi chicks are hot, ngl, Hugo Boss ftw! ;)

Yeah, pretty much. Same with racists. It's fucking stupid being racist or subscribing to an aryan ideal. Don't get me wrong, fucking niggers, and all that. But racism as a wider concept doesn't really hold up. We all live in this world together and it's better if we all get along. It's a shame that a lot of niggers don't feel this way, but hey, I got nothing against them in principle. We've even got a few fairly well-balanced Nazis on this site who give good arguments for a lot of things. But whatever, as a broadstroke, then yeah, can't disagree too much with that observation as a whole.


In other news...

The facts of life, restoring a sense of reality, call it what you will.


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The U.S. information warfare capability is unparalleled: when it comes to manipulating perceptions, producing an alternate reality and weaponizing minds, the U.S. has no rivals. The U.S. coercive deployment of non-military instruments of power to bolster its hegemony, and attack any state that challenges it, is also undeniable. And that’s precisely why Russia was left with no other option than the military one to defend its interests and national security.

Hybrid warfare, and information warfare as an integral part of it, evolved into standard U.S. and NATO doctrine, but it hasn’t made military force redundant, as proxy wars demonstrate. With more limited hybrid warfare capabilities, Russia has to rely on its army to influence the outcome of a confrontation with the West that Moscow regards as an existential one. And when your existence as a nation is at risk, winning or losing the information war in the Western metaverse becomes rather irrelevant. Winning it at home and ensuring that your partners and allies understand your position and the rationale behind your actions inevitably takes precedence.



I copped this from the ourfiniteworld.com blog -

Very good analysis of the propaganda war that’s been ongoing for quite some time, from Laura Ruggeri.

“In 2006 retired US Maj. General Robert H. Scales explained a new combat philosophy that would later be enshrined in NATO’s doctrine: “Victory will be defined more in terms of capturing the psycho-cultural rather than the geographical high ground.”

“Public consciousness was actively manipulated both at the level of meaning and at the level of emotions. Selective perception and consolatory fantasies were some of the psychological mechanisms ensuring that the population would manage the stress of living in a state of cognitive dissonance where facts and fiction could no longer be separated. By offering cheap passage through a complex world, these narratives provided emotional certainty at the cost of rational understanding.

The emotionally satisfying decision to believe, to have faith, inoculated individuals against counter-arguments and inconvenient facts. The election of an actor on the basis of his convincing performance as a president in a TV series titled “Servant of the People” confirmed the successful substitution of politics with its spectacular simulation: it wasn’t simply the blurring of illusion and reality, but the authentication of illusion as more real than the real itself. ”

“A polarized, cognitively disoriented population is a ripe target for a type of emotional manipulation known as thought-scripting and mind-boxing. A person’s thinking comes to congeal around increasingly set scripts. And if the script is arguable, it is unlikely to be changed through argument. The well-boxed brain is impervious to information that doesn’t conform to the script and defenceless against powerful
falsehoods or simplifications that it has been primed to believe. The more boxed a mind, the more polarized the political environment and public dialogue. This cognitive damage makes all efforts to promote balance and compromise unattractive, in the worst cases even impossible. The totalitarian turn of Western liberal regimes and the insular mentality of Western political elites seem to confirm this sad state of affairs.”

One paragraph really stood out for me:

The emotionally satisfying decision to believe, to have faith, inoculated individuals against counter-arguments and inconvenient facts. The election of an actor on the basis of his convincing performance as a president in a TV series titled “Servant of the People” confirmed the successful substitution of politics with its spectacular simulation: it wasn’t simply the blurring of illusion and reality, but the authentication of illusion as more real than the real itself. ”



Baudrillard just called and wants his ideas back!


Don't worry if this means nothing to you. You aren't missing out on much. Then again, it's an idea that ever-increasingly and ever-more-frequently seems to be rising to the top, as we all navigate the Internet Age, and more importantly, the Propaganda Age. But I repeat myself.

But it's an ever more present fact that reality, or rather, the simulation of reality (virtual) is actually becoming more real and more important to some people than actual verifiable and demonstrable reality itself.
 
Yeah I know. I've seen a lot of dead bodies, you don't need to be a CSI guy to tell the difference between an allegedly 4 day old corpse and somebody lying on the ground trying not to smile. You can't mistake a corpse for a living person because we're not in the Weekend at Bernies universe. Even the recently deceased - if you've ever had the sad obligation to identify a body in a morgue, you'll know what I'm talking about.

I wouldn't expect bad decomposition in that timeframe given temps in Ukraine are hovering just over and under freezing, but they wouldn't be perfectly preserved either, as the photos claim to show. The birds would quickly start pecking at them too, but there was no evidence of animals trying to eat the bodies, because animals can also tell the difference between alive and dead.

Also we're meant to believe the survivors of this town (they still have a mayor and everything) just left their friends and family to rot in the street for a few days? Why would they do that? None of the story makes sense, but propaganda doesn't need to be smart, it just needs to push emotional buttons.
Not discarding your theory, but it sounds pretty autistic Ukrainebros creating a elaborate gayop while they are getting missile strikes in their asses. Given how they despise moskals however, it could happen, and maybe even convince daddy NATO to gib F-35s....
 
Not discarding your theory, but it sounds pretty autistic Ukrainebros creating a elaborate gayop while they are getting missile strikes in their asses. Given how they despise moskals however, it could happen, and maybe even convince daddy NATO to gib F-35s....
It wouldn't take long for a journo to set up a few photoshoots. Doesn't even actually have to be in the Ukraine.

I'm not doubting the massacres happened, but there's a distinct lack of visceral revulsion, the pics are all sanitized. Like in Crimea where they had disgusting pics like people strangled with lamp cords and disemboweled.

Real cadavers are gross as fuck. They probably staged the pics to better sell it.
 
It wouldn't take long for a journo to set up a few photoshoots. Doesn't even actually have to be in the Ukraine.

I'm not doubting the massacres happened, but there's a distinct lack of visceral revulsion, the pics are all sanitized. Like in Crimea where they had disgusting pics like people strangled with lamp cords and disemboweled.
I would think they would actually create gorey shit if they wanted to stage and execute a mass atrocity propaganda against the vatniks. Would be harder to tho.
 
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According to the CIA US tech firm Maxar Technologies the Russians, in their bid to be the most reprehensible genociders ever, were seeking to hide their crimes by burying people. . . next to a church. I can't possibly fathom why you might find dead bodies near a church, hopefully we get some clarity on the matter soon.
 
Russia will crush Kharkov and Kiev and de-Nazify de-globohomo the country
Russia will stay out of cities to protect muh civilians not like those Naziglobohomo hohols that's the only reason Russia doesn't just crush them
Russia will blitzkrieg down from Belarus and cut off Western resupply to the Naziglobohomo hohols fighting in Kiev and Chernigov and Kharkov
Russia will shut down the hohol power plants and cripple the Naziglobomocontrolled hohol ability to fight
Russia will sweep through the south and eviscerate the soft Naziglobohomo hohol underbelly, Odessa is doomed
Russia will partition the country leaving the Naziglobohomos to cry in their west of the Dnieper rump state
Russia will blitzkrieg north from Mariupol and south from Kharkov to trap the bulk of the Naziglobohomo hohol army and force it to surrender or crush it

Russia having successfully feinted at Kiev and Kharkov and Odessa will now unleash its real strategy of securing Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts and the Sea of Azov / Black Sea coast as was the plan all along bringing doom to the Naziglobohomos and their hohol puppets <-- YOU ARE HERE
I’ve literally never seen anybody make some of these claims, including Russian state propagandists. Certainly not in this thread. Most people here think Russia failed to take Kiev so they’re regrouping in the east.

It’s just sad at this point, you’re fighting a figment of your imagination.
 
This is who, without NATO, would take over all of Europe and then America? Why are we a part of this again? The EU has nuclear powers just let them take care of it.
 
It wouldn't take long for a journo to set up a few photoshoots. Doesn't even actually have to be in the Ukraine.

I'm not doubting the massacres happened, but there's a distinct lack of visceral revulsion, the pics are all sanitized. Like in Crimea where they had disgusting pics like people strangled with lamp cords and disemboweled.

Real cadavers are gross as fuck. They probably staged the pics to better sell it.
It won't be the first time wartime photos were not what they seemed.
 
Look at this shit:
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The fucking new jew times in their article says they cannot verify any of the claims to this, the fucking state media who probably jumped in the ghost of kevin and the dead snake island soldiers is not jumping into it.
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Reuters cannot verify either.
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article here

It's pretty clear that this is pretty fresh, we are too early to know who really killed these people and all we have are loose and context-less claims by ukranians, denying russians and twitter checkmarks wanting to throw jets at ukraine.
Until a foreign independent investigation can be carried, then we have 0 material to point fingers at. As Borscht said a while ago:
"Turns out Germany wants to go and have a look-see with its own peepers. Since Bucha is under Ukrainean control at the moment, it will be interesting to see if they agree."
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There are some important people wanting to investigate further before drawing conclusions, The issue is that we don't know the ratio between politicians who think "we need more investigation before making any moves" and "OMGF RUSKIA IS LITERALLY DOING HOHOLOCAUST QUICK MORE GUNS". What sucks is that now that all of this is known, whoever is in the area will start to tamper around with the bodies, making the corpses less ideal for investigation. Hell, probably even deny access to the bodies for investigation. Which will only leave us with whatever information the people in charge of the bodies wants to push.

Russia's reputation with the west is below hell level currently, anything russians claim will be instantly regarded as lies, propaganda, misinfo, etc, Russia's claim of them not being the direct responsables of this will never be listened to by the euros and burgers, am i saying that russia doesn't lie and doesn't spews propaganda? no, i'm saying that at this point Russia cannot defend itself from claims like this, if the UN meeting about this does happen it will be as i said NATO and company taking turns to dunk at Russia and livestreaming it to youtube. What's really the point of even hosting talks with russia if you will disregard what they say afterwards? All of this has showed Russia that no matter what they say, lies or not, they will never be listened to by the western leaders.

I really want to see more investigation of this by foreign parties, it's a super fucked up issue that we have no answer.
 
I got to hand it to the Russians, this whole time I thought Come and See was just melodramatic whinging.
When in fact, the Russians saw it as a intruction video
 
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I’ve literally never seen anybody make some of these claims, including Russian state propagandists. Certainly not in this thread. Most people here think Russia failed to take Kiev so they’re regrouping in the east.

It’s just sad at this point, you’re fighting a figment of your imagination.
I've read every single one of those claims in this thread and in pro-Russian commentary elsewhere. Miss me with that crying be a man like your Vlad daddy
 
I’ve literally never seen anybody make some of these claims, including Russian state propagandists. Certainly not in this thread. Most people here think Russia failed to take Kiev so they’re regrouping in the east.

It’s just sad at this point, you’re fighting a figment of your imagination.
People have been coping that the whole Kiev front (and at this point nearly all of the northern front as they're seemingly pulling out of those regions too) as just one massive feint, before then Russia taking control of Novorossiya (basically the entire coastline of Ukraine) or taking everything east of the Dnieper was a pretty popular scenario as well, Russia limiting their gains by the end of this to Donbass and perhaps a land bridge to Crimea only gained significant traction within the last week or so.
Here's an example of someone saying "IT'S A FEINT!" from just yesterday.
To convince people it wasn't a feint, as you are wonderfully demonstrating
 
Russia's tank forces have been sperged religiously for literal decades, now it's been exposed for what it is, cheap Cold War Era equipment that has only been "modernized" on paper
1) It's interesting that you think Russia has committed its latest equipment to this fray.

2) Having said that, the Russian forces probably are mostly made up of what would be considered outdated tech, but understand this: Russia has historically - and I mean for hundreds of years - relied on sheer weight of
numbers to make up for whatever it lacks. Russians were badly led, badly equipped and badly trained during WW2 but managed to hang on by the skin of their teeth due to the steamroller effect of having a spare 20 million people to throw into the meat grinder.
 
People have been coping that the whole Kiev front (and at this point nearly all of the northern front as they're seemingly pulling out of those regions too) as just one massive feint, before then Russia taking control of Novorossiya (basically the entire coastline of Ukraine) or taking everything east of the Dnieper was a pretty popular scenario as well, Russia limiting their gains by the end of this to Donbass and perhaps a land bridge to Crimea only gained significant traction within the last week or so.
Here's an example of someone saying "IT'S A FEINT!" from just yesterday.
It's all cope from the unpalatable realization that Russia is a paper tiger which would get roflstomped in a conventional war with NATO and that all their hopes for the West to crash and burn rest on the ample belly of Xhon Xhina
 
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