Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[kuuu]

Real talk what would happen if Russia legit uncovers that Ukraine is carrying out some holocaust tier war crimes and there actually is deep rooted nazi involvement across the whole of Ukraine? Like we all know it's just Azov that's niggered up but just imagine the tonal whiplash when people realise they donated money over and over again to fund Nazis.

I mean, before war Russia did try to claim that Ukraine was committing genocide of Russians in the East.
That went nowhere.

https://m.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/ukraine-crisis-russias-putin-claims-genocide-taking-place-in-donbas-but-gives-no-proof-articleshow.html

 

[White_N]

Real talk what would happen if Russia legit uncovers that Ukraine is carrying out some holocaust tier war crimes and there actually is deep rooted nazi involvement across the whole of Ukraine? Like we all know it's just Azov that's niggered up but just imagine the tonal whiplash when people realise they donated money over and over again to fund Nazis.

Right now, Russian soldiers are seeking the names and faces of those involved in the execution and torture of Russian POWs

"If they are caught by ours, then, well, you understand." - Medinsky about the torture videos of Russian soldiers during talks with Ukraine.

The West will either ignore it or double down on "Russians are actually war criminals".

That is one weird ass video, odessa is currently not under russian control right? At this point i don't remember who controls who.
About the video itself, it's so contextless the only thing that can be done is speculate, i guess.

It's not weird at all. Kiev, for example, is not under Russian control, but Ukrainian forces found "saboteurs" and "russhian spies" almost daily. What happened to them later is anyone's guess.

 

[Retired Junta Member]

That is one weird ass video, odessa is currently not under russian control right? At this point i don't remember who controls who.
About the video itself, it's so contextless the only thing that can be done is speculate, i guess.

Odessa isn’t under Russian control (yet). The famous amphibious attack that should have happened six times already, hasn’t happened yet. But the Russian apparently bombed the harbour so who knows.

 

[White_N]

In Mariupol, NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and "neutral" Sweden got stuck on Azovstal. They are contacting the Russian troops right now with a request to help them leave, organize a corridor to exit. - journalist German Vladimirov.

By the way, it was from there (from the port) that Ukrainian helicopters were supposed to evacuate foreign military personnel, two of which were shot down the other day near Mariupol

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

UN Security Council meeting over Bucha is over and predictably nobody gave a rat's ass about Russia's arguments.

Of note: Lavrov is saying Ukraine is backpedaling from Constantinople agreements reached last week and is using the Bucha boogaloo to divert attention from this fact.

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Nobody who matters (except Russia) wants peace. The US wants a long war they hope to use to break up Russia, same playbook as Syria. In the meantime they're successfully cucking dumb Euros out of being able to afford their own industries, making them dependent on expensive LNG from US suppliers, and all those sweet Raytheon and Lockheed Martin products. It's a kinder, gentler Morgenthau plan where Europe gets to be a deindustrialized and relatively poor client and customer of the US forever - the EU's dreams of being an independent power are now dead.

Ukraine definitely doesn't want peace, losing Donbass means most of their oligarchs lose power, because that's where their factories and mines are (I don't think it's a coincidence Azov holed up in a steelworks in Mariupol, which the Russians were hoping not to destroy). The militias work for the oligarchs, which is why Zelensky was unable to do anything he was elected to do and has been Poroshenko 2.0 with better jokes.

Without the East and the Black Sea ports, and the millions of young people who have left and probably aren't coming back, Ukraine's existence as a viable state comes into question. They have no plans to pay back the debts incurred to fight the war (they'll get written off anyway). Their profits from transporting Russian gas are going away sooner or later. Grain exports aren't much to base an economy on. Z-man's latest plan to Israelify the country isn't serious - Israel has healthy birth rates, a diversified high tech economy, and a continuing appeal to diaspora Jews, as well as US subsidies. Ukraine has none of those things, except the subsidies.

 

[DumbDude42]

fyi
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ive worked with pathologists doing autopsies in the past and never seen bloody foam on a corpses mouth or nose
also decomposition progress varies greatly in different environments (temperature, humidity, open air vs enclosed space vs underwater)

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Odessa isn’t under Russian control (yet). The famous amphibious attack that should have happened six times already, hasn’t happened yet. But the Russian apparently bombed the harbour so who knows.

An amphibious attack on Odessa at this point is suicidal. It's fortified to hell and back, has anti ship missiles, and any attempted attack will be known about days before hand thanks to constant satellite intelligence.

Naval Invasions are one of the hardest type of offensive attacks to pull off successfully, and judging by Russia's success rate of this war, an attempted naval invasion, especially directly at Odessa, will probably just send an entire divison or two of Russian Marines back home as pictures or in Body Bags.

 

[Narcotics]

In Mariupol, NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and "neutral" Sweden got stuck on Azovstal. They are contacting the Russian troops right now with a request to help them leave, organize a corridor to exit. - journalist German Vladimirov.

By the way, it was from there (from the port) that Ukrainian helicopters were supposed to evacuate foreign military personnel, two of which were shot down the other day near Mariupol
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About 2 days ago, i watched a video that theorized that the reason macron was trying so badly to get something out of mariupol was because there were some important french people stuck in there with azov guys after the attempts of evacuation by helicopter were interrupted by ruskis, and now this comes out claiming that there's a whole party of nato guys there and not only french. IF -big if- this is true, then 1) why are there nato officials in mariupol out of all places and 2) why are they so important to try and pull out safely?

 

[doesnotglow]

This autistic techbro video on Ukraine is fucking crazy lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3RslPegBaI

 

[DumbDude42]

IF -big if- this is true, then 1) why are there nato officials in mariupol out of all places and 2) why are they so important to try and pull out safely?

why are they there? probably training ops for ukr forces, military cooperation like that has been a thing between nato and ukr for a while now
why are they so important to try and pull out safely? no country wants its soldiers to be captured by the enemy, especially after russia announced that it will consider any foreigners it picks up as criminals and bandits instead of POWs, which means they can expect to spend the rest of their lives in some siberian prison camp after a show trial

 

[RainwaterDrop]

I mean, before war Russia did try to claim that Ukraine was committing genocide of Russians in the East.
That went nowhere.

It doesn't really help that you can't trust fucking anything coming from them as they lie about almost everything. Standard Russian M.O. is to make outlandish claims without any proof to back them, always painting a picture where Russia is always right and the West always evil, but somehow incompetent enough to always be foiled by them. Luhansk and Donetsk are active war zones, have been so for almost a decade now so collateral damage can be expected, but I honestly don't trust the guys that claim that while simultaneously denying the Ukranian national identity as part of their "denazification" program. Same guys that denied being involved in a military invasion, they just had tons of volunteers using official issue Russian Armed Forces gear and professional training and logistics. Same guys that keep finding "american biolabs" wherever they strike. I simply can't trust them for shit!

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

It doesn't really help that you can't trust fucking anything coming from them as they lie about almost everything. Standard Russian M.O. is to make outlandish claims without any proof to back them, always painting a picture where Russia is always right and the West always evil, but somehow incompetent enough to always be foiled by them. Luhansk and Donetsk are active war zones, have been so for almost a decade now so collateral damage can be expected, but I honestly don't trust the guys that claim that while simultaneously denying the Ukranian national identity as part of their "denazification" program. Same guys that denied being involved in a military invasion, they just had tons of volunteers using official issue Russian Armed Forces gear and professional training and logistics. Same guys that keep finding "american biolabs" wherever they strike. I simply can't trust them for shit!

They aren't just claiming to find American Biolabs in every town, they're claiming to find American Biolabs working on a FOXDIE that targets Russians.

 

[The Ugly One]

Real talk what would happen if Russia legit uncovers that Ukraine is carrying out some holocaust tier war crimes and there actually is deep rooted nazi involvement across the whole of Ukraine? Like we all know it's just Azov that's niggered up but just imagine the tonal whiplash when people realise they donated money over and over again to fund Nazis.

Remember when we legit uncovered that the USA was funding a laboratory in Wuhan, China to do gain-of-function research on coronaviruses?

 

[White_N]

The situation in Mariupol on April 5, 2022

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In the Primorsky boiler in the Right-Bank part of the city, fighting is going on for the seventh microdistrict, in the private sector and on Cheryomushki. Slowly, the boiler is being squeezed, but there is no exact boundary of the control zones. Bakhchivandzhi Street has already become a solid rear.

The left-bank part of the city was completely cleaned, including the private sector along Taganrog Street. The fighting there wrapped up yesterday.

In the central district, a hotbed of resistance remains at the Ilyich plant (Azovmash A). The enemy is completely surrounded; the building is in the process of being cleaned up.

 

[kuuu]

It doesn't really help that you can't trust fucking anything coming from them as they lie about almost everything. Standard Russian M.O. is to make outlandish claims without any proof to back them, always painting a picture where Russia is always right and the West always evil, but somehow incompetent enough to always be foiled by them. Luhansk and Donetsk are active war zones, have been so for almost a decade now so collateral damage can be expected, but I honestly don't trust the guys that claim that while simultaneously denying the Ukranian national identity as part of their "denazification" program. Same guys that denied being involved in a military invasion, they just had tons of volunteers using official issue Russian Armed Forces gear and professional training and logistics. Same guys that keep finding "american biolabs" wherever they strike. I simply can't trust them for shit!

You ain't the first you ain't the last to spout this. Look forward to more news from brave ghost of kiev or smth, i dunno.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

why are they there? probably training ops for ukr forces, military cooperation like that has been a thing between nato and ukr for a while now
why are they so important to try and pull out safely? no country wants its soldiers to be captured by the enemy, especially after russia announced that it will consider any foreigners it picks up as criminals and bandits instead of POWs, which means they can expect to spend the rest of their lives in some siberian prison camp after a show trial

Yeah, Ukraine has been a Nato Lite member for years. Kinda why arguments about them formally joining Nato were missing the point.

Idk if there's a good reason why Nato is in Mariupol tho. REMF boys handing out weapons and training from Kiev or Lvov is one thing, fighting on the front lines alongside neo nazi indigs - and they had months to unass from that position - is another. I doubt their senior officers and politicians are worrying too much about them being roughed up by some Siberians. The military is not the A Team, they'll abandon you to torture, death and worse if it suits them, and lie about it if it's good for their careers (ask the families of Vietnam MIA-POWs why John McCain and pals treated them like dirt).

I don't think Russia wants to do them too much physical harm anyway, better to wheel them out on Russian TV to embarrass the enemy like those Brit sailors in Iran a few years back. I think they're worried about what they will tell the Russians if they're captured.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

You ain't the first you ain't the last to spout this. Look forward to more news from brave ghost of kiev or smth, i dunno.

I don't believe in that horseshit either. But I don't buy into any of theirs either. I don't think they are inhuman monsters incapable of striking valid targets, it's just that they are clearly the aggressors here, spouting genocidal rethoric and denying documented atrocities like the massacre in Bucha. There are reprehensible actions on the Ukrainian side as well, but of what I have seen from their side so far, there is enough to justify a trial on the International Criminal Court for this conflict already!

 

[Retink]

It doesn't really help that you can't trust fucking anything coming from them as they lie about almost everything. Standard Russian M.O. is to make outlandish claims without any proof to back them, always painting a picture where Russia is always right and the West always evil, but somehow incompetent enough to always be foiled by them. Luhansk and Donetsk are active war zones, have been so for almost a decade now so collateral damage can be expected, but I honestly don't trust the guys that claim that while simultaneously denying the Ukranian national identity as part of their "denazification" program. Same guys that denied being involved in a military invasion, they just had tons of volunteers using official issue Russian Armed Forces gear and professional training and logistics. Same guys that keep finding "american biolabs" wherever they strike. I simply can't trust them for shit!

Can you blame them? They probably think the west is retarded and will believe anything after Biden won.

 

[mofu mofo]

It is odd how nobody mentioned any atrocities for 3-4 days after the Russians left. The videos that were taken don't show dead bodies everywhere prior to April 3/4th.

It landed on socials, with unfortunate timing, on 1st April.

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[DumbDude42]

I doubt their senior officers and politicians are worrying too much about them being roughed up by some Siberians. The military is not the A Team, they'll abandon you to torture, death and worse if it suits them, and lie about it if it's good for their careers (ask the families of Vietnam MIA-POWs why John McCain and pals treated them like dirt).

they care about the propaganda impact

russians parading a bunch of captured NATO soldiers in front of the world stage and announcing they're being sentenced to death by forced labor would be a major power move for russia, and a disastrous sign of weakness for NATO.