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[Puff]

AOC is that sort of candidate. That's what the Justice Democrats have been planning from day one with her



The cynic in me wonders if the elites would LOVE to see a massive collapse of the US college system. Basically make college once again, become the playground of only the very very rich as far as poor people not being allowed unless they are good at sports as far as making it financially out of reach of the masses and someone only the rich and powerful's kids get to have.

The cynic in you? Even ignoring the indoctrination the whole fucking thing is a scam. Go into huge debt to party for 4-6 years. If you're lucky you get a degree that will eventually pay it back. If you're a teacher or, god forbid, a grievance studies major, you're just fucked.
And it is luck, because an 18 year old is almost always too retarded to plan for the future.

College just being for the elites to make connections again would be a good thing. It's still that. but also funded by a whole class of people who get nothing out of it.

 

[deeplyhigh]

We getting more Minnesomalia enrichment tonight?

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No. At most, maybe what happened after the US Marshals capped the jogger in the parking ramp there this summer: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/04/1003...ly-shot-during-an-arrest-attempt-in-minneapol

Plus it’s below 40 and raining in Minneapolis tonight. The useful idiots haven’t had the backbone to riot in the cold weather since Jamar Clark.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Well, now that they've acknowledged it, it'll be just like the Wuhan lab leak, Russiagate, and Nick Sandmann: "oopsy doodles! Silly us! We made a fucky-wucky, but we're still infallible!"

And they always get away with it because normies have the memory span of a gnat with a concussion.

There needs to be penalties for journalists who get caught lying. Every retraction they run should incur a fine.

This meme always fits when it comes to the press:



I still remember after Just Cause I saw a NYT paper talking about how US forces hit a hospital deliberately with an artillery shell, "bombing helpless civilians and non-combatants" and talking about how it was a war crime.

Funny thing. The picture was REALLY zoomed in, making it seem like the entire front of the hospital was destroyed.

In reality, the Panamanian Defense Forces had a machinegun nest in one room of the hospital. Some ne're-do-well US Army trooper fired a single 40mm HEDP grenade from an M203 and destroyed the machinegun nest.

The NYT printed their retraction on some shit like page 30.

For another one:


You've all seen this picture in history class and online.

Here is the original AP byline that is still printed in some textbooks:

South Vietnamese Gen. Nguyen Ngoc Loan, chief of the national police, executes suspected Viet Cong officer Nguyen Van Lem (also known as Bay Lop) on a Saigon street on Feb. 1, 1968, early in the Tet Offensive.

Want the truth?

The man being executed is a North Vietnamese Army officer who ran death squads in South Vietnam.

Lém was in civilian clothes and was alleged to have just cut the throats of South Vietnamese lieutenant colonel Nguyễn Tuan, his wife, their six children, and the officer's 80-year-old mother.

His death squads killed over 200 people in less than a year, including American civilians.

To further it, the press stood right there, at the end of the Tet Offensive, which was a military DISASTER for North Vietnam, and declared "The war is now unwinnable" when, if the US forces had pushed it, could have rolled the North Vietnamese military all the way to Ho Chi Min City and defeated them within 2 years.

The press has lied so many times, about so many things, including supposed war crimes (Remember the video of that Marine kicking the Arab prisoner in the face in Iraq? How long did it take for the press to admit they'd doctored the footage so you couldn't see that Arab came up with a pistol and that's why he got kicked in the jaw?) and even more.

From the supposed "Chemical weapons used on Vietnam" to the "Bush Records" to plenty of other shit, the press lies their fucking asses off constantly, usually in the service of whatever will hurt America the most.

 

[Absolutego]

Doubt it. Outside of Portland and Oakland ANTIFA and BLM pretty much died out both because Biden and the DNC don't want riots on their watch and because the Kenosha kid shattered their delusions of immortality just like he shattered a pedophile Jew's bicep.

*Elder-abusing, burglar Jew.
The chomo got domed, and the wifebeater/accused rapist took a few to the chest after beating Rittenhouse with a skateboard.
It's been more than 18 months and I remain amazed at how you couldn't find a less sympathetic group of """"""victims""""" if you pulled them right out of central casting.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Well, now that they've acknowledged it, it'll be just like the Wuhan lab leak, Russiagate, and Nick Sandmann: "oopsy doodles! Silly us! We made a fucky-wucky, but we're still infallible!"

And they always get away with it because normies have the memory span of a gnat with a concussion.

There needs to be penalties for journalists who get caught lying. Every retraction they run should incur a fine.

Executions, you misspelled executions.

 

[Long Tongue Silver]

This meme always fits when it comes to the press:

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I still remember after Just Cause I saw a NYT paper talking about how US forces hit a hospital deliberately with an artillery shell, "bombing helpless civilians and non-combatants" and talking about how it was a war crime.

Funny thing. The picture was REALLY zoomed in, making it seem like the entire front of the hospital was destroyed.

In reality, the Panamanian Defense Forces had a machinegun nest in one room of the hospital. Some ne're-do-well US Army trooper fired a single 40mm HEDP grenade from an M203 and destroyed the machinegun nest.

The NYT printed their retraction on some shit like page 30.

Here's something I'd like to see: legislation that mandates all retractions must be printed, in full, on the first page. Above the headline.

I imagine the fishwraps will have a sudden, ironclad interest in integrity and truthfulness.

 

[Slappy McGherkin]

This meme always fits when it comes to the press:

View attachment 3152471

I still remember after Just Cause I saw a NYT paper talking about how US forces hit a hospital deliberately with an artillery shell, "bombing helpless civilians and non-combatants" and talking about how it was a war crime.

Funny thing. The picture was REALLY zoomed in, making it seem like the entire front of the hospital was destroyed.

In reality, the Panamanian Defense Forces had a machinegun nest in one room of the hospital. Some ne're-do-well US Army trooper fired a single 40mm HEDP grenade from an M203 and destroyed the machinegun nest.

The NYT printed their retraction on some shit like page 30.

For another one:

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You've all seen this picture in history class and online.

Here is the original AP byline that is still printed in some textbooks:


Want the truth?

The man being executed is a North Vietnamese Army officer who ran death squads in South Vietnam.

Lém was in civilian clothes and was alleged to have just cut the throats of South Vietnamese lieutenant colonel Nguyễn Tuan, his wife, their six children, and the officer's 80-year-old mother.

His death squads killed over 200 people in less than a year, including American civilians.

To further it, the press stood right there, at the end of the Tet Offensive, which was a military DISASTER for North Vietnam, and declared "The war is now unwinnable" when, if the US forces had pushed it, could have rolled the North Vietnamese military all the way to Ho Chi Min City and defeated them within 2 years.

The press has lied so many times, about so many things, including supposed war crimes (Remember the video of that Marine kicking the Arab prisoner in the face in Iraq? How long did it take for the press to admit they'd doctored the footage so you couldn't see that Arab came up with a pistol and that's why he got kicked in the jaw?) and even more.

From the supposed "Chemical weapons used on Vietnam" to the "Bush Records" to plenty of other shit, the press lies their fucking asses off constantly, usually in the service of whatever will hurt America the most.

You and I lived this, brother.

Kids today? I love all y'all but none of you know the true horror of war. That picture makes it pretty damn clear and always has.

Since the topic has changed a bit to "when I red pilled", for me it was walking in and seeing my mother hysterically crying on the couch the day JFK got assinated in Dallas. None of it made and sense then and still doesn't today. Oh, the 1000000 conspiracy theories since, but I only believe one - our own government killed Kennedy. Prove me wrong.

 

[The Last Stand]

Michael Brown did it for me, although I guess it started a little earlier due to me believing men and women were equal, treating them as such, and then being corrected by feminists who knew me.

Michael Brown really effected me. I could not believe a cop would just shoot a man with his hands up as he was surrendering. Then I find out it was a whole lie, then Zimmerman was a lie. All trust was lost and it will never be restored.

George Floyd was my breaking point. Months of rioting, passive aggressive racism, narcissism and entitlement during a pandemic no less.

And all they achieved was making the communities they preach about worse.

 

[ForTheHoard]

How CNN reported Desert Storm after the fact, in the followup months, was it for me.

Thanks, CNN, for chopping up and editing the video of the interview with me after Army public affairs said you could broadcast the interview, and making me look like a complete fucking lunatic.

Funny you mention that. When Bangladesh got hammered by tsunamis, my MEU was the closest NATO force. We were in the process of leaving Iraq to hit a port and got diverted to give humanitarian aid until we could be relieved by civilian efforts 4 days later. It was a massive, all-hands kind of operation. The ships's hanger was stacked 6ft high with giant bags of water with giant American flag stickers covered in propaganda in 25 different languages. Civilian and military helicopters were doing vert-reps 18 hours a day to get supplies from the ship into town. The marines were tasked with all the inland operations so we were either handing out food or dredging bodies out of the river.

You couldn't have asked for a more photogenic humanitarian mission, so on day 3, CNN reporters start showing up on the ship and filming equipment was showing up on the flight manifestos. I was off shift and in the hanger leaning against a big pile of water bags and reading a book with the cover facing down. I didn't recognize the reporter, but they were walking around with a small 4 person crew getting on the spot interviews with people that were in the hanger. They eventually made their way to me but as soon as the guy asked for my name, I tilted up the book to show him that I was reading Dereliction of Duty from the ship's library. Without breaking stride, he and his crew continued past me to the next person. I'll never understand how they've survived this long.

 

[King Dead]

This meme always fits when it comes to the press:

View attachment 3152471

I still remember after Just Cause I saw a NYT paper talking about how US forces hit a hospital deliberately with an artillery shell, "bombing helpless civilians and non-combatants" and talking about how it was a war crime.

Funny thing. The picture was REALLY zoomed in, making it seem like the entire front of the hospital was destroyed.

In reality, the Panamanian Defense Forces had a machinegun nest in one room of the hospital. Some ne're-do-well US Army trooper fired a single 40mm HEDP grenade from an M203 and destroyed the machinegun nest.

The NYT printed their retraction on some shit like page 30.

For another one:

View attachment 3152484
You've all seen this picture in history class and online.

Here is the original AP byline that is still printed in some textbooks:


Want the truth?

The man being executed is a North Vietnamese Army officer who ran death squads in South Vietnam.

Lém was in civilian clothes and was alleged to have just cut the throats of South Vietnamese lieutenant colonel Nguyễn Tuan, his wife, their six children, and the officer's 80-year-old mother.

His death squads killed over 200 people in less than a year, including American civilians.

To further it, the press stood right there, at the end of the Tet Offensive, which was a military DISASTER for North Vietnam, and declared "The war is now unwinnable" when, if the US forces had pushed it, could have rolled the North Vietnamese military all the way to Ho Chi Min City and defeated them within 2 years.

The press has lied so many times, about so many things, including supposed war crimes (Remember the video of that Marine kicking the Arab prisoner in the face in Iraq? How long did it take for the press to admit they'd doctored the footage so you couldn't see that Arab came up with a pistol and that's why he got kicked in the jaw?) and even more.

From the supposed "Chemical weapons used on Vietnam" to the "Bush Records" to plenty of other shit, the press lies their fucking asses off constantly, usually in the service of whatever will hurt America the most.

The saddest part is that the photographer, Eddie Adams, regretted how the media took his photograph of Loan and twisted it for anti-war purposes:

Two people died in that photograph: the recipient of the bullet and General Nguyen Ngoc Loan. The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapons in the world. People believe them; but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths. ... What the photograph didn't say was, "What would you do if you were the general at that time and place on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away one, two or three American people?". ... This picture really messed up his life. He never blamed me. He told me if I hadn't taken the picture, someone else would have, but I've felt bad for him and his family for a long time. ... I sent flowers when I heard that he had died and wrote, "I'm sorry. There are tears in my eyes."

He also wished that he could have gotten a picture of Lem killing Tuan's family to show that no, this wasn't some poor dindu, this was a psychopathic murderer of innocent civilians, including children.

If the media isn't lying due to incompetence, they're lying due to malice.

 

[XANA]

Doubt it. Outside of Portland and Oakland ANTIFA and BLM pretty much died out both because Biden and the DNC don't want riots on their watch and because the Kenosha kid shattered their delusions of immortality just like he shattered a pedophile Jew's bicep.

Kenosha elected a Republican-backed county executive for the first time since 1998, flipping the county. Now, the office is officially non-partisan, but it serves as a small indicator that things are changing on a small level, with the memory of what happened less than 2 years ago fresh in peoples' minds. Whether more counties affected by the riots start to turn red will be another question.

 

[Open Window Maniac]

My first major red pill was Michael Brown as well, because of certain events in my life. You see, it happened during freshman year of high school for me. Why is this relevant? Because one fateful day during the fallout of all this, my American History teacher thought it would be potent to have the class discuss it. There were a couple of other black kids in the class, and of course, they responded with the requisite "HE WAS A GOOD BOI, HE DINDU NUFFIN, HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SHOT CUZ HE HAD HIS HANDS UP!" I, being the naïve young sperg I was, thought it was a good idea to point out that not only did Brown steal cigars from a convenience store, but when he was confronted by the police officer about obstructing traffic, he tried to grab the gun off of the police officer. I concluded with, "yes, he shouldn't have been shot, but you can't pretend he was an innocent angel, either". Oh man. The white kids and the teacher looked at me like I had grown a third head. The BLACK kids looked at me with what I can only describe as white-hot incandescent rage. And that's how I learned about the term Uncle Tom and what that meant.

I find the concept that a black person isn't black because they hold incorrect political beliefs to be the stupidest thing ever. I'm as white as the virgin snow, and the idea that some stops being a black person because they don't act or think "black" makes my stomach churn. Sometimes they'll even be accused of being "white", as if your skin tone defines how you're supposed to think and act throughout your life. I feel so bad for any black person that dares to deviate even slightly from this suffocating rigidity, because the hammer of social conformity swings down so hard and fast against them. Just thinking about how black people are ostracized if they don't hold they expected opinions makes my blood boil.

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

I find the concept that a black person isn't black because they hold incorrect political beliefs to be the stupidest thing ever. I'm as white as the virgin snow, and the idea that some stops being a black person because they don't act or think "black" makes my stomach churn. Sometimes they'll even be accused of being "white", as if your skin tone defines how you're supposed to think and act throughout your life. I feel so bad for any black person that dares to deviate even slightly from this suffocating rigidity, because the hammer of social conformity swings down so hard and fast against them. Just thinking about how black people are ostracized if they don't hold they expected opinions makes my blood boil.

There is a world of difference between country black and city black. Where I live there are still many small black communities that are full of hard working people who have more in common with the whitest redneck you can find then some city nigger.

 

[XYZpdq]

If the media isn't lying due to incompetence, they're lying due to malice.

for me it was the 2000 election
I was some random dumbshit pushing a button once an hour at a shithole nobody radio station, and somebody in the same conglomerate from Chicago or some other major market called me and was all "we need to do a live interview, can you do it" and I'm like "I'm just some random dumbshit who pushes the button for the legal ID during the remote morning show and watches the dump button" and they're all "whatever that's good enough we're about to go live OKAY YEAH BABY WE'RE LIVE WITH XYZPDQ HEAD OF THE NEWS DEPARTMENT AT MAJOR REAL STATION WXYZ" and then I gave some sorta noncommittal "yeah it's not really clear yet but obviously the republicans are optimistic, but we're gonna have to see where things go, back to you
once you're literally some talking head for a hot minute you realize how completely bullshit the talking heads are

 

[CarlosDanger]

Republican Larry Heikkila beat Democrat incumbent Breea Clark to become the new Mayor of Norman, Oklahoma. This is significant because Biden won Norman by 9 points(allegedly) in 2020, Heikkila beat Clark by 6 points, a 15 point swing in less than two years.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I find the concept that a black person isn't black because they hold incorrect political beliefs to be the stupidest thing ever.

Oh sweet child...

Black, with a capital B, is not a race but a political label.

You can be Black and black or just plain black. However you can never be white and Black because that's heresy of the highest order. Capital B black is a sacred charge given out to those special joggers who say the right things or get killed by cops in a way other Blacks can capitalize on.

The actual color of your skin is secondary to being Black.

 

[XYZpdq]

Republican Larry Heikkila beat Democrat incumbent Breea Clark to become the new Mayor of Norman, Oklahoma. This is significant because Biden won Norman by 9 points(allegedly) in 2020, Heikkila beat Clark by 6 points, a 15 point swing in less than two years.

TICK TOCK

 

[Gehenna]

That sounds awful familiar, because that is word for word a common refrain in GamerGate. Expanding upon it: "If Salon / The Guardian / Kotaku / etc is lying to my face about what we're going through with these SJW lunatics and Anita Sarkeesian... what else have they lied about?"

I know, "GG caused Trump lol" is the meme and common lament of the Progressive, but there's a kernel of truth to it -- GamerGate, and the completely unhinged attempts to silence anyone who disagreed the narrative or god forbid, tried to talk to the heretics, drove a lot of people away from blindly following lefty orthodoxy. The wiser progressives realize they have lost a grip of the 4chan types, the tech savvy gamer types that they kinda need, who were so happy to make political memes (modern day political cartoons) against the left, but they're still progressives so this realizing is filtered through 6 layers of too-online batshit and twitterisms. Much like every other instance of what we've seen in the past 8 years (50 if you go back to the Days of Rage), the left pulled their "gamers are dead" switch well before they had the support needed for it and it fell apart due to not everyone being a crazy eyed true believer like them.

Same thing as in Kenosha. I have absolutely no doubt that the left literally doesn't believe the people in Kenosha should have any problem with a bunch of peaceful protestors demonstrating in their city, and all the property damage and violence is just something they should have been happy to embrace as the language of the unheard. All those pictures of burning buildings and parking lots full of destroyed cars? The Kenoshans should just ignore that, or wear it as a badge of pride. "You have insurance!" Besides, CNN said it never happened so stop talking about right wing conspiracy theories or else.

The media has fallen into the same epistemic closure trap that the progressives have -- they have no idea when their manipulations aren't working, they can't even grasp the concept of a person that disagrees with them that isn't a cartoonish supervillain, and almost no one believes them anymore. And much like the progressives, the fact that they aren't course correcting is doing more damage than their opposition ever could hope to.

How CNN reported Desert Storm after the fact, in the followup months, was it for me.

Thanks, CNN, for chopping up and editing the video of the interview with me after Army public affairs said you could broadcast the interview, and making me look like a complete fucking lunatic.

What you describe is the officially unnamed but evident process that I personally have named "The Three Rs".

Reconciliation: The viewer of a person, media, or other message has realized it is not only wrong, but so wrong it has jarred them. Their first instinct is to reconcile it, to reach a compromise between what is being said and what they know to be true.

This results in your bothsidism, your mental gymnastics, and the general apathy the general populace has to politics.


Rejection: The viewer determines that the message is irreconcialable with the truth. The message is thus rejected in full, but the messanger is not. More mental gymnastics. Excuses are made. Maybe they are working off bsd info? Or too emotional.

This is where most people who simply leave the political process end up.


Retribution: The final stage. The message is determined by the viewer to not be a mistake but instead deliberate. They lied. The result is a harsh grasp of reality and a deep anger. The viewer will often begin to dig deeper, how much they were lied to a question burning in need for an answer.

This is where a lot of you likely ended up. And as you have experienced, once it occurs you swing hard to the other side.


Edit: oopsed an R

 

[Snekposter]

The Livestreams were, well live. The complete stitched-together videos were out that night and the next day. As much as the media might have tried to massage the story, they couldn't erase or deflect the core point; three Antifa/BLM rioters got shot (two dead) in the street by an anti-rioter.

While most of the NPCs felt confident enough to do some street brawling, secure in their anonymous mobs and Soros-DA cover, the number willing to risk getting heart or bicep blasted on Livestream is practically non-existent. With the core of the golem being connected online, it was impossible to keep this information under wraps, and the resulting Kyle memes were just salt in the wound to make it all the more scarring. Without this sense of invincibility, it was a lot harder to whip up the mobs, as potent meme-reminders of the event could easily demoralize the online actors.

The attempts to convict Kyle were intended to salvage some kind of ground, to say 'sure you'll get killed but we will imprison the dude' to the golem, and hopefully deter future victims from fighting back. Fortunately for Kyle, he had everything on video and his trial ended up backfiring spectacularly for Antifa/BLM. It put even more of a spotlight on the devastation caused by riots, damaging the media narrative of 'peaceful but firery' and increased the demoralization effects for the golem. Not only will they maybe get shot, but they will be remembered as a joke, a pedophile, or a scumbag while the 'evil right wing CHUD' waltzes into a media personality career.



It was as illustrative to normies and the 'Right wing' as it was to BLM/ANTIFA. You will not convince me that the events of that night were not pivotal to that year or this decade.

I am probably one of the few people on this forum who doesn't need the multiple paragraphs of refresher. I was asking @Gehenna specifically on what the nationwide effects were beyond what we've already seen. Which is plenty, but there's always more going on behind the scenes even your typical Kiwi can't quite see.

How much of a fucking urbanite bugman do you need to wear a beanie stanning for your fucking transit system?
Seattle's almost as bad as San Francisco but I have never seen someone actually wearing KC Metro or SoundTransit merch.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lease-crime-video-avoid-race-stereotypes.html
At least as cucked as BART is. Specifically avoiding mention of the quiet part just makes people notice things.

"What I suspect is that forgiving the debts of students unilaterally will cause colleges everywhere to lose money they were banking on being repaid to them and the mass closures of universities that can’t stay afloat from private endowments will cost jobs."

Aren't student loans through the goverment and not the school. Like your loan is paid back to a goverment agency, not your schools finance department. Forgiving them shouldn't effect any school directly. Indirectly it would be proof the education you recieved was so useless the debt for it had to be forgiven since it wasn't able to help you pay it off but that's already the case and people are still going.

No, they aren't being forgiven because the idea of debt being forgiven or removed is verboten to bankers and bankers run the country. That and the usual politics of dangling a carrot for people to vote for you.

No, its worse than that. All college loans are underwritten by the Feds. So the Feds are the ones on the hook should that debt be forgiven. It would be a system where the Feds essentially pay the lenders off in the name of the students. So students win, colleges win, bankers win... but the Feds lose, and worse, do so publicly. They'd be forced to explain why they're paying the lenders, and that would require them to admit they've been the ones propping up the whole damn system. And I got ninja'd by @Sweet and Savoury

This is where a lot of you likely ended up. And as you have experienced, once it occurs you swing hard to the other side.

Alas, I never had such youthful innocence. Sperg kid plus poli-sperg lawyer dad doesn't leave much room for such falsehoods as "truthful media" and "unbiased judiciary". I'm afraid I was destined to be a cynical Kiwi the minute I was born.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Republicans Trolling Biden.