Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Spicey McHaggis]

It won't. When the Ameroids and the EU fuck off and leave the Balkans to their own devices, then you might see the region healing and fixing itself some shit and not a moment earlier.

They waited til tito croaked to start up old fueds, they'll be perfectly content to start them up again when nato is gone.

 

[Scipio Americanus]

Uh-huh so "trust the plan" then?

To be totally fair, it's pretty difficult to get a good grasp on what's actually going on until the dust settles. Everything is some level of speculation mixed in with blatant propaganda. The significant amount of content of Ukrainian troops BTFOing Russians is a moot point considering that there's basically a media blackout on content that doesn't portray the Ukrainian side in a positive light.

I think Russia is doing poorly based on some of their broader strategic decisions, but I think it's foolish to make confident claims about specifics. Just because people are taking a more skeptical approach and not believing in the Ukieprop doesn't make them wrong.

 

[Disheveled Human]

The only people who want to report and ban others in this thread are Pro-Russian and or Pro-Communists, go figure. You can't shit up a thread if the thread is already comprised of shit. I get it the guy is probably drunk and being a sperg but its not that much worse then the broken record boilerplate posts y'all have been putting out for over a month in terms of quality and repeditiveness. Post some fucking Pro-Russian war footage for a change if you want to twist the knife on the Pro-Ukes in the thread.

 

[AnOminous]

Ah, so russia started a war with the full expectation of there not being any actual fighting. Diabolical.

I think he anticipated something like Uncle Joe rolling all over Eastern Europe facing feeble to no resistance. I think he forgot Uncle Joe had no concern whatsoever about steamrollering civilians with zero concern for fatalities. Considering the relatively civilized early phase of the war, I'd thought he was just positioning himself to negotiate for some lesser thing he actually wanted using the threat of doing something crazy. I assumed he was a rational actor. Boy was I wrong.

The crazy thing that he said he was going to do and wrote a manifesto about why it needed to be done was actually the thing he wanted to do. About the only thing I would never have credited Putin for is being open and honest about his intentions.

 

[DumbDude42]

remember when the mods put "Slapfighting is an automatic threadban" in the OP? i guess they just gave up and stopped even trying to moderate this place lel

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

I can only imagine what this site would say if it were around during the Winter War. "SOVIETS STRONG FINLAND IS DOING AWFUL HAHA PROPAGANDA NO FINNISH PERSON IS THAT GOOD AT SNIPING THEY'LL TAKE HELSINKI IN A WEEK"

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

remember when the mods put "Slapfighting is an automatic threadban" in the OP? i guess they just gave up and stopped even trying to moderate this place lel

The mod in question retired shortly after creating this thread. Coincidence? I'll let you decide.

 

[Pork Packer]

I think he anticipated something like Uncle Joe rolling all over Eastern Europe facing feeble to no resistance. I think he forgot Uncle Joe had no concern whatsoever about steamrollering civilians with zero concern for fatalities. Considering the relatively civilized early phase of the war, I'd thought he was just positioning himself to negotiate for some lesser thing he actually wanted using the threat of doing something crazy. I assumed he was a rational actor. Boy was I wrong.

The crazy thing that he said he was going to do and wrote a manifesto about why it needed to be done was actually the thing he wanted to do. About the only thing I would never have credited Putin for is being open and honest about his intentions.

Also uncle joe's only obstacle was a military force that had been systematically starved of utterly vital and existential resources, had its logistical and industrial capacity bombed to shit and back, and was also fighting on a second front against the western allies who were also ferrying their surplus logistical supplies to uncle joe so he could focus on shitting out soviet jank like a good little BRAAAPslut

The soviet army when fighting a well supplied and logistically sound enemy and acting without the benefit of uncle sam covering their logistical and economic fuckywuckies and the bongland navy starving their enemy of oil and resource imports was not a force with a very impressive rapsheet of success

 

[Disheveled Human]

I think he anticipated something like Uncle Joe rolling all over Eastern Europe facing feeble to no resistance. I think he forgot Uncle Joe had no concern whatsoever about steamrollering civilians with zero concern for fatalities. Considering the relatively civilized early phase of the war, I'd thought he was just positioning himself to negotiate for some lesser thing he actually wanted using the threat of doing something crazy. I assumed he was a rational actor. Boy was I wrong.

The crazy thing that he said he was going to do and wrote a manifesto about why it needed to be done was actually the thing he wanted to do. About the only thing I would never have credited Putin for is being open and honest about his intentions.

I mean I think everyone leading up to the spark of the war thought, shit those poor fucking Ukrainians are gonna get assfucked hard by Vlad. You know 2 weeks to flatten the curve type shit but it did not turn out to be that and some people are still in denial on it.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

So what exactly is stopping the Ukrainian forces that were around Kiev and other areas the Russians are leaving, which are still intact due to there being almost no fighting in your words, from doing exactly what the supposed feint was intended to stop them from doing in the first place ?

When those forces start making their way to the eastern/southern front that has been practically static for the better part of a month is the Russian air-force suddenly going to start not being shit and keep them from joining the fight ? Even all the civilian vehicles that will be ferrying infantry and light weapons across the enormous country ?

Looks like it's too late for them to join the fight in the Donbass (which looks like it's gonna go hot very soon). Ukies have suffered terrible losses of armor and vehicles (some of their armored vehicles were hiding out under malls in Kiev).

Ukies have MANPADs and some degree of operational air force (?) in the West, but no plausible means to move large numbers of men to the eastern front now. They can trickle in some guys thru the back roads in ambulances and school buses, but that's not likely to be a lot. Can't bring heavy weapons in, because they'll be taken out by air or artillery. Ukies have also blown up a lot of bridges, which is the right thing to do when you're on the defensive, but a bummer when you'd like to counterattack.

Idk if the lines have been "static for the better part of a month", this isn't Verdun. Looks like very intense fighting and the Russians trundling on like a really shitty and rusty steamroller that will nonetheless kill you when it catches up. They've been capturing smaller cities and towns, places like Mariupol are a nightmare to capture when there's good numbers of defenders and your ROE is telling you not to simply flatten all the steel mills the locals will need if they're ever coming back to work.

The initial phase of Russian aggression by invading multiple directions simultaneously made sense in:

* Causing maximum confusion and panic in Ukrainian command
* Forcing the Ukies to retain significant forces West
* Giving the local militias and the Chechens breathing room to grind down localized pockets of resistance without much danger of Ukie tank columns suddenly appearing

Them adjusting their positions now to deprecate Kiev and emphasize Donbass might be a failure, but the official Russian explanation makes sense (except the "goodwill gesture" bit, that was just a lie) and it doesn't look like they're going to fail to consolidate Donbass. Once they do that, Western Ukraine is gonna be in an even worse position - unless they really do have the Riders of Rohan at their back by dawn's early light. There'd be not much (militarily) stopping Russia from squeezing the West the same way they did the east and south, yet Ukraine won't be allowed to sign a peace treaty, the West is ready to fight this out till the last hohol. Sucks.

 

[mr.moon1488]

The only people who want to report and ban others in this thread are Pro-Russian and or Pro-Communists, go figure. You can't shit up a thread if the thread is already comprised of shit. I get it the guy is probably drunk and being a sperg but its not that much worse then the broken record boilerplate posts y'all have been putting out for over a month in terms of quality and repeditiveness. Post some fucking Pro-Russian war footage for a change if you want to twist the knife on the Pro-Ukes in the thread.

lol about the only people who've been raving lunatics itt have been pro ukie posters.

 

[LeChampion1992]

I'm no lawyer, but it seems the law is at work here.
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I have not mentioned either but I'm waiting for other mutts to mention that shit

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Desert Storm was 31 years ago.

Oh god we're all old

 

[Hard Toothbrush]

The mod in question retired shortly after creating this thread. Coincidence? I'll let you decide.

I still miss @It's HK-47.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

lol about the only people who've been raving lunatics itt have been pro ukie posters.

Having been here for both threads, both groups have had their fair share of seething dipshits.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Russian leaders don't seem dumb to me, tho individual Russians can be dumb and their endemic corruption and laziness has cost them a lot. Putin and his sidekicks obviously know things we don't, and I don't think they can afford to lose this war now (Putin would be Saddamed), so they probably won't.

Eh. As long as Putin has backing in Russia and nukes, he's not being deposed. The closest he'll get to being Saddamed at this time is the Gulf War. They drive his forces out of Ukraine, and he's stuck accepting a ceasefire where he's lost a bunch by invading, gained nothing in return but a bunch of sanctions on the country, and is stuck bartering oil or gas for things he needs.

 

[Disheveled Human]

lol about the only people who've been raving lunatics itt have been pro ukie posters.

If you are posting arguments, footage and facts that attack the oppositions point of view instead of coming up with counter arguments its easy to just call them dumb and retarded. Personally I try to learn and sometimes even change my opinion on things, even things I may initially be against if arguments are solid and compelling. It makes me better at learning and debating points. Some people just don't want to hear it and wish for giant hugboxes that re-affirm their opinion on an issue.

 

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Some Chechens doing what they do best - fire an impressive amount of ammo at an unknown target.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

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Some Chechens doing what they do best - fire an impressive amount of ammo at an unknown target.

I feel genuinely bad for their quartermaster. Dude has his work cut out for him.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Looks like it's too late for them to join the fight in the Donbass (which looks like it's gonna go hot very soon). Ukies have suffered terrible losses of armor and vehicles (some of their armored vehicles were hiding out under malls in Kiev).

Ukies have MANPADs and some degree of operational air force (?) in the West, but no plausible means to move large numbers of men to the eastern front now. They can trickle in some guys thru the back roads in ambulances and school buses, but that's not likely to be a lot. Can't bring heavy weapons in, because they'll be taken out by air or artillery. Ukies have also blown up a lot of bridges, which is the right thing to do when you're on the defensive, but a bummer when you'd like to counterattack.

Idk if the lines have been "static for the better part of a month", this isn't Verdun. Looks like very intense fighting and the Russians trundling on like a really shitty and rusty steamroller that will nonetheless kill you when it catches up. They've been capturing smaller cities and towns, places like Mariupol are a nightmare to capture when there's good numbers of defenders and your ROE is telling you not to simply flatten all the steel mills the locals will need if they're ever coming back to work.

The initial phase of Russian aggression by invading multiple directions simultaneously made sense in:

* Causing maximum confusion and panic in Ukrainian command
* Forcing the Ukies to retain significant forces West
* Giving the local militias and the Chechens breathing room to grind down localized pockets of resistance without much danger of Ukie tank columns suddenly appearing

Them adjusting their positions now to deprecate Kiev and emphasize Donbass might be a failure, but the official Russian explanation makes sense (except the "goodwill gesture" bit, that was just a lie) and it doesn't look like they're going to fail to consolidate Donbass. Once they do that, Western Ukraine is gonna be in an even worse position - unless they really do have the Riders of Rohan at their back by dawn's early light. There'd be not much (militarily) stopping Russia from squeezing the West the same way they did the east and south, yet Ukraine won't be allowed to sign a peace treaty, the West is ready to fight this out till the last hohol. Sucks.

That's assuming that the Russians don't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Because I am very very much thinking that Russia could very well fuck up the situation in the east.

lol about the only people who've been raving lunatics itt have been pro ukie posters.

Nah it's been about a 50/50 to be honest. Early on it was Russia stronk types who are we will crush Ukraine and it's a blyatt Victory. Instead it's turned into coping on both sides.
Ghost of Kiev and snake Island? Cope.
Cages on the tanks that get popped off, Russia can totally steamroll and perfect logistics is a cope. I'm looking at this like this. It turns out manpats and outdated equipment is actually quite useful against Russian equipment. Seeing what I saw from 2014 it looks like the armata tank is still in the development hell stage of tanks.