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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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A full mobilization would finish off the Russian economy by draining whatever manpower they have left. It would also destroy the fiction that Russia has currently cultivated in their own country that this is not a war but a "special military operation".
It would do these all these things but as of now Putin has lost his aura of power and his reputation for cunning.

An offensive that somehow at least secures a Donbass-Crimea landbridge would seem a minmum to claim overwhelming victory to a captive audience. Russia does have great stores of gold and other resources and still has a warlord or two like Kadyrov, although now governors have far fewer resources than they once did and Kadyrovki hitting angry youths whether Ukrainian or reluctant Russian troops in Ukraine, surely
won't work too well now in Russia itself and doesn't seem a long term model. The National Guard and VDV who did that a bit in Russia are already in Ukraine, so the numbers game seems unclear. I'm just trying to puzzle how Putin exits this. Maybe he won't.

I'd say Shoigu could be blamed. Perhaps he might pack up his incense, Buddhas and shaman gear and flee, but perhaps he cannot now. Blame Lavrov? They all seem like nervous, shadowy ciphers, perhaps insufficient to dump blame on.
 
Aftermath of DLPR artillery on civilians at train station who were trying to flee from the septs. I don't think I'll condemn whatever the Ukrainians have in store for those faggots when they reach separatist territory. At this point I'll be upset if my tax dollars don't give them something creative to use.

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Aftermath of DLPR artillery on civilians at train station who were trying to flee from the septs. I don't think I'll condemn whatever the Ukrainians have in store for those faggots when they reach separatist territory. At this point I'll be upset if my tax dollars don't give them something creative to use.

They specifically targeted the evacuation zone. Specifically. There's no excuse for "Ukrops hiding in the populated areas".
 
Z-channels suggest to avoid evacuation by rail. Utter faggots.

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It's the most effective way to actually conduct evacuation, and they know it. For what reason they're trying to prevent it is not entirely clear to me, desire to kill Ukrainians aside.
From the tactical standpoint, is it to stifle movement of the Ukrainian forces, who would be forced to hold back due to civilians remaining in the area? Because Russians sure as fuck aren't going to care, and would blame civilian deaths on Ukrainian forces themselves with their "They're hiding behind civilians" shit.
 
I agree.
People expect us to believe that Russia is simultaneously a superpower with a competant fuckhuge military that has fought off every invader ever (bonus points if in winter); yet also somehow is super-vulnerable and literally needs eastern Ukraine to avoid becoming easy to invade.
It's sorta understandable because while they can't bring in an army to take over anything, they have nukes. So it's always been this odd back and forth where we keep seeing how pathetic the Russian army is, but then there's always that thought of if everything goes to hell for Russia they could bring out nukes.

Problem is at this point people should be wondering if those nukes would end up just exploding in their silos if they tried using them given the state of disrepair everything Russian apparently is.
 
The Z shitheads deserve whatever is coming to them. Western Putinists will point to irrelevant fakes of the past like Kuwaiti incubators and just deny it like cackling Russian grannies in some box pop interviews. The Zs seem most ardent in killing civilians and their pets. Not so great with those who shoot back. Perhaps the Serbs (who gained notoriety for Srebrenica and other crimes of the Yugoslav Wars) identity with this dog shit Millwall FC 'no one loves us and we don't care' reputation Russia is now getting.
 
The Z shitheads deserve whatever is coming to them. Western Putinists will point to irrelevant fakes of the past like Kuwaiti incubators and just deny it like cackling Russian grannies in some box pop interviews. The Zs seem most ardent in killing civilians and their pets. Not so great with those who shoot back. Perhaps the Serbs (who gained notoriety for Srebrenica and other crimes of the Yugoslav Wars) identity with this dog shit Millwall FC 'no one loves us and we don't care' reputation Russia is now getting.
Speaking of which, they denied Srebrenica as well: https://www.euractiv.com/section/po...-russian-spokespersons-srebrenica-statements/

Arestovych made an interesting point (I just listened to a new interview), saying that Ukraine will basically have to live like Israel now, under the constant threat from its neighbor even if they manage to kick out Russians (that is if Russia doesn't go through a regime change that would shift related policies). Makes sense.
Except Israel is superior to their opponents in terms of capabilities.
 
I personally never particularly liked tricolor, it's kinda gay. Not as gay as the imperial flag that some people propose, but still.
Well, yeah. I'm not fond of tricolor too, but the whole democratic flag thing seem like an attempt to shed out of situation they don't like instead of aknowledge this massive fuck up. It's a nice play pretend, but they really should leave it to kids age of 4.
 
Well, yeah. I'm not fond of tricolor too, but the whole democratic flag thing seem like an attempt to shed out of situation they don't like instead of aknowledge this massive fuck up. It's a nice play pretend, but they really should leave it to kids age of 4.
Germany switched to the old republican flag. It helped a bit. It's a start to moving on from Putinism and its nihilism.

Speaking of which, they denied Srebrenica as well: https://www.euractiv.com/section/po...-russian-spokespersons-srebrenica-statements/

Arestovych made an interesting point (I just listened to a new interview), saying that Ukraine will basically have to live like Israel now, under the constant threat from its neighbor even if they manage to kick out Russians (that is if Russia doesn't go through a regime change that would shift related policies). Makes sense.
Except Israel is superior to their opponents in terms of capabilities.
As of now the Ukranians are doing better even when it's just buks shooting down SU-37s (70s stuff shooting down a premium export hope). They have the edge already. And Israel came close to defeat during the Yom Kippur war. The Egyptians were innovative using fire hoses to flatten the Israeli sand banks protecting the Sinai and the then best Soviet anti tank weapons. Ukraine will have to stay alert for years. The Ukrainians should somehow have kept their nukes even if all the big powers wanted then taken from them. Nukes mean a certain peace and quiet.
 
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I just finished watching it myself, this is more of a doomer take for sure. His analysis of the economical and historic factors is good, but his predictions seem to fall apart.
According to him, it's merely a matter of time before Russia absorbs Ukraine, despite being repelled on most fronts and forcing them to fight for the consolation prize. All the while Russia faces economic challenges and isolation.

i mean the problem is morale and resources, russia lacks stuff they need to build more armor etc, so they need to come with way to get it, AND keep population spirit up, russians are stubborn as fuck and their victories came from Disregarding casaulties and glorifiing that sacriface.
 
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i mean the problem is morale and resources, russia lacks stuff they need to build more armor etc, so they need to come with way to get it, AND keep population spirit up, russians are stubborn as fuck and their victories came from Disregarding casaulties and glorifiing that sacriface.
This ain't 1940s
 
They were promised likely two things, that this is going to be at worst a week long war that doesn't even end in occupation but in total takeover and that impotent sanctions will open a door to easily kill the petrodollar with minimal consequences.

So far, both failed and not only that, it created a cascade of failures, from the global food chain being kinda fucked (EU and America will survive easy tho, at worst we have (after prices stabilize) 50%+ meat and 10-20% grain price increases), through the general supply chain getting triple penetrated, to the global banking system essentially becoming balkanized.

Though I'll tell you, I hope we are right here, if west falls while east is strong, we're all fucked far worse then if we got a total collapse of all economies.

The thing is that this food shit means more Rapefugees invading, in addition EU is still pursuing the retarded green deal, +What you said about banking. The best possibility might long drawn out war that forces West to start phasing out this socjus shit in favor of more strongman conservative rhetoric to basically prepare culture for conflict.
 
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