Wuhan Coronavirus / COVID-19 Thread 2: Booster Shot - Resume all Corona sperging here.

Of course you hate Pelosi🤦
Why in the ever-locing fuck do you give half a shit about an wrinkled septic hag politician, you absolute mong?

In a kind of 'Leave Britney Alone' moment. she gave voice to a nation's frustration and discontent.
Truly the face of her generation. She sounds about the same age as my niece - or no, maybe a couple of years older.

I had a long, angsty ramble here, but it would only clog up the thread.


The latest wave of cases has peaked in the cohort with the lowest vaccination rate. It's still rocketing up in every other cohort. Will someone join the dots yet?
 
Both are still around at a lot of stores. The more conspiratorial would say that it's part of normalization and forcing you to remember this bullshit is still around in order to demoralize you -- and they're probably right. At this point however the real reason is that the wagies at stores are too lazy to remove them. The shields will probably stay until they either get giant cracks in them or the store doesn't want to pay the extra for antibacterial wipes to clean them off every day. And those stupid fucking floor stickers will be there forever until they disintegrate, get scuffed to the point of illegibility, or the store gets demolished or refurbished.
The adhesive on those bloody arrows is pretty thick, probably made for high traffic areas, I can't imagine they are fun to get off. You're right, they will be on the floor forever. On of the stores I shop at did actually removed theirs, I was pretty impressed.

I think we should all take a moment to pause, and remember what went before, just how bad it was, just how bat-shit crazy insane was the time!

No one encapsulated what we were all thinking more than that fine young lass Alisha Smith, I quote:

Whoever ate that fookin' bat in China, I will legit shove it up yer cock!

Some people in this world are mentally unfucking stable!


A class act.

Driven to distraction by not being able to see her friend, she made this little tik-tok to express what we were all thinking, but perhaps too afraid to say ( well, everyone except the Flidaroonie of course ) -

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In a kind of 'Leave Britney Alone' moment. she gave voice to a nation's frustration and discontent.

And I for one don't think it should ever be forgotten.

Good times, bad times; bat-shit crazy times!

You can legit shove them up yer fookin' cock!
The 1/4 second "reeee!" at the very end get's me. That's the noise my brain makes when I hear the mainstream media talking about covid. Are those lips the result of lip fillers? Or magical filters? I can't even tell anymore.

 
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Looks like bad news for federal employees/contractors in terms of mandates. It looks like they ended up getting the Dem appointed judges who ruled as most would expect. I think the case can still be appealed to the Supreme Court but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
 
Looks like bad news for federal employees/contractors in terms of mandates. It looks like they ended up getting the Dem appointed judges who ruled as most would expect. I think the case can still be appealed to the Supreme Court but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
When the legal basis for an opinion is nothing, everything quickly becomes acceptable.

Allowing living constitution judges on any court is the worst mistake this country ever made, and not tarring and feathering them on the spot is the second worst mistake.
 
Looks like bad news for federal employees/contractors in terms of mandates. It looks like they ended up getting the Dem appointed judges who ruled as most would expect. I think the case can still be appealed to the Supreme Court but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Oh, mother of fuck... A friend of mine is going to be shitting kittens when he sees this. Will be back later tonight with analysis after I look into this further and either sober up or drink more rum.
 
People are already memory holing all the stupid shit they went along with over the past 2 years but I'll never forget.
This is why its key to CATALOGUE FUCKING EVERYTHING. Right down to location, date and time. People should never forget that they were willing cattle to implement a Tyrannical Soy state. Ranging from the lost, the enablers and the malicious fucks seeking to profit from this manufactured crisis especially during the early 2020s.. People should never forget that the ones who would have advocated for Hitler's Nazi Germany or enabled the USSR atrocities were the right under their noses.
 
The adhesive on those bloody arrows is pretty thick, probably made for high traffic areas, I can't imagine they are fun to get off. You're right, they will be on the floor forever. On of the stores I shop at did actually removed theirs, I was pretty impressed.


The 1/4 second "reeee!" at the very end get's me. That's the noise my brain makes when I hear the mainstream media talking about covid. Are those lips the result of lip fillers? Or magical filters? I can't even tell anymore.

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Tbh I reckon that's the noise @Invisible Crane makes when he's replying to posts on this thread.
 
Back and finished reading through the court opinion flagged by @RiverFalcon in his post earlier this evening. This opinion is basically the 2020 election shitshow all over again -- plaintiffs are simultaneously too early, and too late, for relief in the 5th Circuit.

For convenience, since the news articles trickling out all omit who the fuck is involved and the name of the case, this is Feds for Med. Freedom v. Biden, the case where a judge in TX issued a nationwide injunction blocking enforcement of the federal contractor vaccine mandate, back in January, 2022. I covered that one in the old thread, IIRC. If you want to read the 18 page opinion from the 3 judge en banc panel that issued the April 7th ruling that removed the injunction and reinstated the contractor mandate, you can click HERE. I've also attached a copy to this post. Fair warning, this one is pretty technical and probably not very friendly reading for non-lawfags. I'll do my best to explain it (and yes, any other law nerds reading this, I'm aware this walkthrough is grossly oversimplifying it, but this is a New Zealand agriculture shitposting forum, not an Admin Law class).

Bottom Line At The Top -- The TL;DR of this case is that the plaintiffs jumped the gun by going straight to the federal courts. You see, there's a 1978 federal statute, the CSRA, that governs federal employees, discipline, and claims for redress in employment disputes. It's huge, its complex, it's very bureaucratic, and you can't skip going through its processes -- that's Just Not How It's Done, things would be so very messy and non-uniform if people could skip it. Yes, this means you have to get punished first, and then sue in federal court over it, to then (hopefully) receive redress after the fact, in a white-collar version of the old saying "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride". You do have enough money to float being out of work and paying lawyers to sue, right? (And the ability to potentially eat the costs if you lose?)

Or to put things more lawyer-y, the 5th Circuit doesn't currently have jurisdiction over this case, and the plaintiff's claim isn't ripe yet, as they haven't actually received injury. Doesn't matter that the prospective harm is known and certain, it hasn't actually been completed yet. Until then, CSRA controls the processes the plaintiffs have to go through.

In response, Congress enacted the CSRA, which imposed “an integrated scheme of administrative and judicial review, designed to balance the legitimate interests of the various categories of federal employees with the needs of sound and efficient administration.”

“Under the [CSRA], certain federal employees may obtain administrative and judicial review of specified adverse employment actions.” Elgin v. Dep’t of Treasury, 567 U.S. 1, 5 (2012). “Subchapter II of Chapter 75 governs review of major adverse actions taken against employees ‘for such cause as will promote the efficiency of the service.’” Id. (quoting 5 U.S.C.
§§ 7503(a), 7513(a)). These provisions apply to employees in the competitive service and to certain excepted service employees.2 5 U.S.C. § 7511(a)(1). They provide procedural protections when eligible employees face major adverse actions, which includes removals, suspensions for more than fourteen days, pay or grade reductions, and furloughs lasting thirty days or less.

Possible impending harm vs. harm that has already come to pass -- the aggrieved employee has to experience harm, bitch to the Merit Systems Protection Board (“MSPB”) about it, listen to their response, and then, if they're not satisfied, they can sue. No skipping the pain allowed.

The CSRA distinguishes between employees facing “proposed” adverse action and those who have already suffered adverse action. See 5 U.S.C. § 7513(b), (d). Employees facing “proposed” action are entitled to notice, an opportunity to respond, legal representation, and written reasons supporting the employing agency’s decision. Id. § 7513(b). Once an
employing agency finalizes an adverse action, however, the aggrieved employee may appeal to the Merit Systems Protection Board (“MSPB”).
Id. § 7513(d). If the employee prevails on appeal, the MSPB can order the agency to comply with its decision and award “reinstatement, backpay, and attorney’s fees.” Elgin, 567 U.S. at 6 (citing 5 U.S.C. §§ 1204(a)(2), 7701(g)).
“An employee who is dissatisfied with the MSPB’s decision is entitled to judicial review in the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit” under § 7703. Id. at 6. The Federal Circuit’s jurisdiction over such appeals is “exclusive.” 28 U.S.C. § 1295(a)(9). If an employee appeals to the Federal Circuit, then that court must “review the record and hold unlawful and set aside any agency action, findings, or conclusions” that are “(1) arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law; (2) obtained without procedures required by law, rule, or regulation having been followed; or (3) unsupported by substantial evidence.”

This present case relies heavily on an earlier one, Elgin, which I've seen turn up in the footnotes of several of the earlier mandate cases. Elgin was where a lot of the details in how CSRA actually works in practice were hashed out. Most importantly, it nailed down that the CSRA processes are unavoidable, and can't be skipped by going straight to court before actually getting fired/disciplined/etc.

Thus, the Court concluded that “the CSRA provides the exclusive avenue to judicial review when a qualifying employee challenges an adverse employment action by arguing that a federal statute is unconstitutional.” Id. at 5. This court has also recognized that the CSRA precludes district court adjudication of federal statutory and constitutional claims.

Paraphrasing the below quotes -- "A neat and tidy process is more important than preventing harm." (The "district court" referenced is the TX court that granted the injunction in January, btw.) Also, the harms being "actual and imminent" gets used against the plaintiffs by the 2-1 majority here. Someone call Mulder and Scully, we've got Vogons on the 5th Circuit.

The Government contends that, under Elgin, the district court erroneously held that the CSRA does not apply until the plaintiffs suffer an adverse employment action. It urges that adopting the district court’s logic would allow federal employees to circumvent the CSRA by filing suit before their employer disciplines or discharges them, thereby “gut[ting] the
statutory scheme.” This, it argues, would be inconsistent with Congress’s intent to limit judicial review through the CSRA.
See id. at 11. The Government acknowledges that the Elgin plaintiffs, unlike the current plaintiffs, had already suffered an adverse employment action — termination—when they filed suit. But it disputes that Elgin “turned on that distinction.” Meanwhile, the plaintiffs, like the district court, attempt to distinguish Elgin and other cases applying the CSRA’s jurisdictional provisions by arguing that those cases concerned challenges to individual adverse employment actions
This construction is consonant with Congress’s purpose in enacting the CSRA, which was to establish “an integrated scheme of review.” Elgin, 567 U.S. at 14. As the facts of this case reveal, granting the plaintiffs extra-statutory review would “seriously undermine[]” that goal. See id. Allegedly, the plaintiffs who are not pursuing exception requests are “threatened with imminent discipline unless they give in and get vaccinated.” The district court concluded that those plaintiffs had ripe claims because they “face an inevitable firing.” Feds for Med. Freedom I, --- F. Supp. 3d at ----, 2022 WL 188329, at *3. It added that “[m]any of these plaintiffs already have received letters from their employer agencies suggesting that suspension or termination is imminent, have received letters of reprimand, or have faced other negative consequences.” Id . Accordingly, these plaintiffs’ terminations were “actual and imminent, not conjectural or hypothetical.” Id. (quoting Summers v. Earth Island Inst. , 555 U.S. 488, 493 (2009)). That finding, which the Government does not dispute, underscores that by filing this suit on the eve of receiving discipline, the plaintiffs seek to circumvent the CSRA’s exclusive review scheme. Permitting them to do so would “reintroduce the very potential for inconsistent decisionmaking and duplicative judicial review that the CSRA was designed to avoid.” Elgin, 567 U.S. at 14. We therefore decline their invitation.

Don't need an injunction because the harm (getting fired, etc) can be fixed later with Earth Moneys if they sue and win. After being fired.

We agree with the Government. The plaintiffs assert that district court review is necessary because proceeding through the CSRA’s remedial scheme could foreclose all meaningful review. But the CSRA “merely directs that judicial review . . . shall occur in the Federal Circuit,” which is “fully capable of providing meaningful review.” Elgin, 567 U.S. at 10. In Elgin, the
Supreme Court held that “even if [the MSPB] was incapable of adjudicating a constitutional claim, meaningful judicial review was still available in the court of appeals.” Cochran, 20 F.4th at 208. That was because the plaintiffs “sought substantive relief”—reinstatement, backpay, and attorney’s fees— that “would have . . . fully redressed” the harm they suffered. Id. at 208–09. In contrast, where a plaintiff asserts a claim for “structural relief” from a remedial scheme, that scheme will be declared inadequate. Id. at 208 (citing Free Enter. Fund v. Pub. Co. Acct. Oversight Bd., 561 U.S. 477, 490 (2010)). The plaintiffs here seek to avoid discipline for failing to comply with Executive Order 14043. That is a claim for substantive, not structural, relief. Indeed, the MSPB can order reinstatement and backpay to any nonexempt plaintiffs who are disciplined for refusing to receive a COVID -19 vaccine. Elgin, 567 U.S. at 6 (citing 5 U.S.C. §§ 1204(a)(2), 7701(g) ). And “[r]emedies for discharge under the federal civil service laws are . . . an adequate remedy for individual wrongful discharge after the fact of
discharge.”

But most importantly, you must go through the process and be punished first, before we can say "whoops, our bad, let's kiss it and make it better." (That is the pithy Earth Proverb, yes?)

We also reject the plaintiffs’ argument that their claims are wholly collateral to the CSRA scheme. “[W]hether a claim is collateral to the relevant statutory -review scheme depends on whether that scheme is intended to provide the sort of relief sought by the plaintiff.” Cochran, 20 F.4th at 207. The plaintiffs emphasize that they are not challenging any individual employment actions or prior discipline, which they say is “water under the bridge.” Instead, the plaintiffs purportedly request only to have Executive Order 14043 declared void. But although the plaintiffs are not attempting to reverse any previous discipline, their challenge “ultimately [seeks] to avoid compliance with”—and discipline for violating—the Order.
Id. at 207. Put differently, this case is “the vehicle by which they seek to” avoid imminent “adverse employment action,” which “is precisely the type of personnel action regularly adjudicated by the MSPB and the Federal Circuit within the CSRA scheme.” Elgin, 567 U.S. at 22. At bottom, the relief the plaintiffs seek is, in effect, to avoid discharge for refusing to comply with Executive Order 14043. This sort of employment-related relief is “precisely the kind[] of relief that the CSRA empowers the MSPB and the Federal Circuit to provide.”

Oh, but there was one way to avoid all this, if you'd just filled out these 27 forms in triplicate. But it's too late for that now, lol. (But your current claim is still not ripe.) (Interesting side note -- spot the reference to the Constitutional right to privacy in a medical context in the quote below. Roe and its children cast a shadow broader than abortion.)

The plaintiffs also argue that the CSRA will deny meaningful review to any of them who comply with Executive Order 14043 because they will never suffer an adverse employment action. However, the plaintiffs could have challenged an agency’s proposed action against them before filing this suit and certainly before getting vaccinated. Specifically, they could have filed a complaint with the Office of Special Counsel (“OSC”) , an independent agency, see 5 U.S.C. § 1211 , asserting that Executive Order 14043 constitutes a “prohibited personnel practice” affecting a “significant change in duties, responsibilities, or working conditions.”

The CSRA prohibits agencies from taking any “personnel action” that treats employees “without . . . proper regard for their privacy and constitutional rights.” Id. §§ 2301(b)(2), 2302(b)(12). If OSC receives a complaint and determines that a “ prohibited personnel practice has occurred,” it is authorized to report that finding and to petition the MSPB for corrective action. Id. § 1214(b)(2)(B)–(C). An employee who is harmed by the MSPB’s disposition of the petition can appeal to the Federal Circuit. Id. §§ 1214(c), 7703(b)–(c). There is no dispute that the plaintiffs have not attempted to avail themselves of this potential CSRA remedy, which could provide meaningful review.

The conclusion of the majority opinion is nasty, they send this back down to the district court with instructions to toss the case. Feds for Med. Freedom v. Biden, at least this incarnation, may have just hit the end of the road. The actual "Feds For Medical Freedom" org involved with this has a website, probably worth keeping an eye on to see how they respond to this setback.
 

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@SCSI I read this, but I don't think I have enough rum in my system for it to make sense. Mandates coming back, but we can still fight it? Mandates coming back, and I better grease my anus, because no recourse? Mandates coming back, but each person will have to sue on an individual basis?
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Remember the truckers. All it takes for the rest of the system to grind to a halt is to have its essential people not cooperate.
 
@SCSI I read this, but I don't think I have enough rum in my system for it to make sense. Mandates coming back, but we can still fight it? Mandates coming back, and I better grease my anus, because no recourse? Mandates coming back, but each person will have to sue on an individual basis?
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Understandable, the amount of rum it would take to make this actually appear sane and sensible would be enough to kill even the hardiest of lichens I fear.:drink:

Translated from Vogon to English -- Mandates coming back for federal employees (including those who are not permanent employees of Uncle Sam, but are contractors -- this covers a metric fuckton of people). They can still be fought, but at least one person's butthole is going to have to take one for the team so they can file an official Butthurt Report with the MSPB, and after that board assuredly offers some lame knockoff Preparation H "solution" that solves nothing, escalate their Butthurt back into the federal courts. Once a rectum has officially been verified as "Devastated", that should cure the jurisdiction problem that exists right now, and the courts will now be able to get involved in wrangling this mandate and properly medicating all harmed hinderparts. At that point, this should process a lot more like the other mandates that have gone through the court systems, where they finally actually address the mandate itself, rather than arguing over whether they have the power to even discuss it yet. Procedural slapfights are so boring fun tedious, like a movie that has 3796256793 previews before you actually get to watch the thing you spent $30 in tickets and snacks to see.

If you are a federal employee, be it direct, contractor, or even subcontractor, you should still prepare your anus (unless you're a USPS employee -- those guys' union negotiated an exception to the mandate for their dudes, which AFAIK is still in effect) -- as we saw with OSHA ETS, even once the first person gets fired, jumps through the MSPB hoops, and then finally gets into court, it's still likely to take months to resolve, and until then, people are going to get penalized or canned. This is gonna be a shitshow -- a lot more people have enough of an employment link to Uncle Sam to be affected by this than they probably realize.

Here's a couple of resources that might help give a sense of just who all is going to be exposed to bullshit from this -- SHRM HR has a guide up (Archive), and there's also the official federal FAQ on the contractor mandate.
 
I imagine there's soyboys and dangerhairs who were parroting "stay home and save lives" that are now parroting "support Ukraine!" - as if the coof never happened.

And I still remember how fake the scamdemic feels, and the utter freakshow that 2020 and 2021 were.

I don't want anyone "memory holing" or "gaslighting" me out of remembering that there was a "New Normal".
 
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Both are still around at a lot of stores. The more conspiratorial would say that it's part of normalization and forcing you to remember this bullshit is still around in order to demoralize you -- and they're probably right. At this point however the real reason is that the wagies at stores are too lazy to remove them. The shields will probably stay until they either get giant cracks in them or the store doesn't want
People are getting really sick of all this shit.

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Ohhhhhh dear. Another quack here!
 
I guess you haven't heard about all the laws, rules, and regulations that Pfizer has broken or side-stepped.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/business/03health.html

Are you also going to call Pfizer a bunch of quacks? Their violation was way more extreme than Dr. Ardis's failure to submit his continuing education credits....
How many people do you think he killed?
 
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