Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[The Last Boyscout]

Yes I am listening to both sides of the conflict to get a double portion of misinformation
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tbh I don't get why other posters ITT haven't figured it out yet that this is the way the game is best played. if the whole world's gonna lie to you 24/7 might as well get some fun out of it, as opposed to sitting here bitching nonstop with short replies about 'muh propaganda's being posted again, not muh tranny general's statement, not muh faksthual ahticle that some nerd typed up thousands of miles away after either saying nothing or missing vital details, WAH!'

oh wait, I do...it's because everyone that's a proud patriot of someplace formerly under the Iron Curtain + the usual 'murica #1 folks (btw, where the hell is that poster that kept patrolling and claiming the thread for AMERICA with a nice picture and in style? we need him now, more than ever methinks) looking to find some relief from their woes come here to vent their emotions, as opposed to reason. perhaps understandable for the former (if they could only ever admit it to themselves lmao), but still tis why this thread will inexorably carry on with its downwards spiral. for past the trolls, it does have that emotional ZEST to really make it stick. and that zest, I assure you, does not come from american-based russiaboos half as much as ones somehow involved with it IRL.

 

[Aidan]

To be fair, if I wanted to report a robbery and the police asked me to prove I had not staged it, I'd be acting pretty indignant too.

Yeah I think it's better to ask for proof that the Russians did it.
Let's say Russians did it, then Ukrainians will still be offended as the "proofs" is they showed up to Bucha and there were corpses everywhere.

Personally, just because it's inconsistent with Russian behavior to date I don't get it unless those people had Nazi tattoos or something, but one of the bodies looks like it was gunned down while riding a bicycle so not all of them would be executions. The only supplemental evidence I'm aware of is the single satellite image of the aftermath.

Fine. Tell me what happens when I post here official Zelensky speech, for example one to the UN about atrociesies in Buch.

I'm sure the fine people of happenings will not start throwing shit that all of this is fake, and staged, but Ukraininas did deserve it anyway.

If you posted Zelensky's speech and said "This is Zelensky's speech on Bucha to the UN", you'd get mostly stickers and probably someone would post a transcript if you hadn't and yeah people would probably question him because he's lied before to garner aid for Ukraine.
However, no one is going to say you're shilling or decry you for posting it. The "throwing shit" would be at Zelensky, not at you.

Personally, I welcome stuff like that. It's historic and it's nice to have it all consolidated in here.

 

[kuuu]

Fragments of a video showing the Ukrainian military laying out corpses in a Bucha. Found on the Russian Telegram
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One of the theories I've read about that is this is how they check bodies for booby traps.

 

[The Last Boyscout]

One of the theories I've read about that is this is how they check bodies for booby traps.

certainly a possibility. really need to see more than a 'fragment of the video' that short to decide lol.

 

[UVB-76]

That's how presumption of innocence works though. You want to sue someone over robbery, you have to prove it is they who did it.

We're not talking about presumption of innocence. If I report a robbery happened, it will be investigated as if a robbery did happen. I will not be asked to first provide evidence I didn't fake it. It's an exercise in proving a negative.
What you're referring to is offering proof the Russians did it - which can be staged - because it shouldn't be the Russian armed forces having to prove their innocence unprompted. If Ukraine offers staged proof that the Russians did it, it would be Russia's burden to prove it was staged as a defense strategy because now they have been prompted by the accuser meeting their burden of proof.
Similarly, Russia having to prove their innocence without the accuser proving any proof is also proving a negative.

 

[Elbereth]

If you posted Zelensky's speech and said "This is Zelensky's speech on Bucha to the UN", you'd get mostly stickers and probably someone would post a transcript if you hadn't and yeah people would probably question him because he's lied before to garner aid for Ukraine.
However, no one is going to say you're shilling or decry you for posting it. The "throwing shit" would be at Zelensky, not at you.

Personally, I welcome stuff like that. It's historic and it's nice to have it all consolidated in here.

Let's do a little mind experiment. If I search though this thread and find instances that show otherwise, would you change your mind?

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

The news is starting to blend into the background again, so I am actually curious if it was a Ukrainian slaughter to bring it back to the forefront. The moment the entire invasion becomes background noise like "oh, Israel and Palestine are kicking off again, who cares?" is the moment that public outcry drops, donations drop and Ukrainian morale drops to an all time low. The West has already blown their load with sanctions so unless they actually put boots on the ground (WW3) they exhausted most of their options within the first few weeks, so there's no way of scaling up at this point, so there's no way of keeping the public involved with the gradual escalation of punishments.

I mean the massacre may well simply be Chechens being Chechens but it's really strange. Russia is denying it unlike the mall attack so there's clearly no Ukrainian missiles or ammo within there so it really does come down to Russians being retarded or Ukrainians being retarded.

 

[Narcotics]

This war is gay as hell and i wouldn't have sex with it.

 

[Borscht]

is the moment that public outcry drops, donations drop

Coincidentally, Germany's Minister of Defense said it ran out of military gibs to give and that from now on all military equipment will have to be purchased from German weapon manufacturers.

Sorry for not providing a screenshot, TASS refuses to play with automatic translators.

 

[IamnottheNSA]

And a bit closer to home, it looks like Russia is about to block Youtube because it keeps banhammering Russian government channels.

Welp.
If, after a whole decade of Roskompozor stirring shit up, somebody still hasn't redpilled themselves on topic of VPN usage, they are in for a rude awakening.

 

[Borscht]

Not directy related to the conflict but made me kek. Somehow it still feels appropriate to what's going on.

 

[Uncle Buck]

I thought the west was supposed to be better at propaganda than this. Is whole crocodile-tears-for-Ukrofascists perhaps losing steam?

 

[The Last Boyscout]

Coincidentally, Germany's Minister of Defense said it ran out of military gibs to give and that from now on all military equipment will have to be purchased from German weapon manufacturers.

Sorry for not providing a screenshot, TASS refuses to play with automatic translators.

if german govt. was halfway smart, they would subsidize the SHIT out of those weapon manufacturers, that are already pretty damn good, outcompete other suppliers from the West with better prices/logistics delivery to Ukraine and apart from the profits also begin the first steps of recouping that 80 billion EUR bill they were announcing to revive their military when the war started. after all, who's gonna argue them assisting the brave resistance in the West at the threat of political suicide at this point while they get a lot of useful data/telemetry and profit?

...but knowing their decision making they'll likely fuck it all up again. I remember actually thinking for a split second, when they announced that military spending bill: "Is this really how the Wermacht comes back?" and in the next second I remembered that the stoplight coalition was in charge and immediately dismissed it as a fanciful soon-to-be alt-history notion.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Did anyone hear about Chechnya sending 10,000 more churkas to Ukraine?

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

Coincidentally, Germany's Minister of Defense said it ran out of military gibs to give and that from now on all military equipment will have to be purchased from German weapon manufacturers.

Sorry for not providing a screenshot, TASS refuses to play with automatic translators.

Here's the interesting part, now Ukraine has to PURCHASE weapons, surely that creates an issue of donations TO Ukraine turning from aid related to potentially weapons related. When Ukraine was getting weapons and money all they had to do was use the money for more aid, but now it might create a major kerfuffle from certain charities. I know for a fact that Red Cross does not allow money to be used to purchase weapons as it's strictly an aid based charity, so there's a chance that charities will actually start pulling out of Ukraine.

It'll also split the public on this, while I'm aware there's plenty of the everyday public who want to purchase bullets to murder the fucking Ruskis, there's a decent proportion who would feel mislead by the pictures of dying Ukrainian children being used to fund weapons.

Funnily enough, for all my anti-Zelensky and pro Russia opinions I've actually donated a decent amount to the Red Cross because I'm confident that they will provide aid to those who need it, I'm not a complete heartless monster but I'm aware that Ukraine is in an unwinnable position and whether the war stops today or in 10 years time it's still going to be the exact same outcome only with millions more casualties.

 

[Narcotics]

Russians and muslims are some of the weirdest people on the planet, russians muslisms are the weirdest of both.

 

[Borscht]

Did anyone hear about Chechnya sending 10,000 more churkas to Ukraine?

Great news, really. They spent 30 years building fancy mosques with our money, giving wedgies to our IT nerds and ogling our women all the while proclaiming themselves the real chad men (tm) as opposed to virgin Russian losers.

Watching them pull their weight is surprising, up until recently I thought they were all hat and no cowboy. Or should I say all turban and no mullah?

 

[Narcotics]

Lukashenko nooooooo

 

[The Last Boyscout]

Great news, really. They spent 30 years building fancy mosques with our money, giving wedgies to our IT nerds and ogling our women all the while proclaiming themselves the real chad men (tm) as opposed to virgin Russian losers.

Watching them pull their weight is surprising, up until recently I thought they were all hat and no cowboy. Or should I say all turban and no mullah?

well...they still might be that out on the battlefield, unless wildly magdumping buildings counts different for some reason in that regard, but they deffo seem to be over-representing their people within russian forces with those numbers just coming in more and more and that's worth some boast I suppose.

 

[The Last Boyscout]

Lukashenko nooooooo

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I got this one, russian propaganda bros!

"Leader of Belarussia heroically wounded during a Battle on the Ice as war in Ukraine continues!"