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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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You're not making it better by justifying this. Russia won't make the world better either. Have you seen the fucking place?
Christ.
Once again its not Russia making world better place, its Russia funding anti Globohomo for its own purpose, im fully aware that Russia would pounce during the time of change, because changing from Globohomo rule wouldnt be instant and we would be vulnerable during that time, which is why Bloody Stalemate or Pyrhic Victory for Russia that leaves them unable to exploit opportunities, while we recover from Globohomo. are preferable to Clear Russian Victory.

Im not on Russia side because im Pro Russian, im on Russia side because they are more useful in fighting globohomo. That doesnt mean i trust them.
 
Ah sorry if I misquoted you but I disagree, Russia's intents are clearly in what they can gain from it now but that's every conflict, but how Russia justifies its conflict is through history. Even if it is a distortion of it, they believe, perhaps not genuinely, that Ukraine is just Russia. That they're literally the same people and that Ukraine is as much Russian as the midwest is American. But of course that's not actually true, Ukraine's language, people, culture and history are different from Russia's and in fact Ukraine was part of many different empires and countries before Russia was able to solidify its hold on the region. It's this history that Putin calls back to justify Ukraine being in its sphere of influence and should always be a part of Russia in some form.
Justification does not equal motivation. America didn't invade Iraq for WMDs. That is just the story they told its people to motivate them. Same as this. Same as Ukiefags shitting out their propaganda. The reasons have to do with western encroachment and interference and the only history you need to know about this conflict dates back to 2014 when the UN backed the revolt. Certainly yes, Putin wants the USSR territories back together under the flag of the Russian Federation, but this is all nonsense he would not dared have tried if he wasn't both pressured and given opportunity to. This shit would never have happened if western leaders were seeking diplomacy and were showing strength as it was with Trump. Instead we have globalists competing with Russia for dominance because Russia didn't go lockstep with their social agendas. That is what this war is about.
 
I do not approve the slaughter of the innocent. I'd much rather the slaughter of the guilty. Sadly, I just have to settle for globohomo's humiliation at losing a puppet state and laughing at you as you struggle to argue a coherent point.
YAY Raping Babies is the cure against Globohomo right.

Honestly at this point, if someone uses the word Globohomo you know they are some sick pedo fuck dreaming about baby rape. They all seem to support the actions of Russians raping and pillaging.

Once again its not Russia making world better place, its Russia funding anti Globohomo for its own purpose, im fully aware that Russia would pounce during the time of change, because changing from Globohomo rule wouldnt be instant and we would be vulnerable during that time, which is why Bloody Stalemate or Pyrhic Victory for Russia that leaves them unable to exploit opportunities, while we recover from Globohomo. are preferable to Clear Russian Victory.

Im not on Russia side because im Pro Russian, im on Russia side because they are more useful in fighting globohomo. That doesnt mean i trust them.

Like this faggot.

Supporting Russian one raped child at a time.
We get it you are an incel and you dream that one day you can be a brave Russian soldier raping an infant to death.

Stand against Globohomo, there might be a tranny on tv!!!!!
I support raping all the babies as long as there are no trannies or fags on tv, don't you understand i am a 45-year-old man and my children's cartoons and consumerism is important. Rape a baby to stop Globohomo like the brave Russians.
 
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YAY Raping Babies is the cure against Globohomo right.

Honestly at this point, if someone uses the word Globohomo you know they are some sick pedo fuck dreaming about baby rape. They all seem to support the actions of Russians raping and pillaging.



Like this faggot.

Supporting Russian one raped child at a time.
We get it you are an incel and you dream that one day you can be a brave Russian soldier raping an infant to death.

Stand against Globohomo, there might be a tranny on tv!!!!!
I support raping all the babies as long as there are no trannies or fags on tv, don't you understand i am a 45-year-old man and my children's cartoons and consumerism is important. Rape a baby stop Globohomo like the brave Russians.
 
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Justification does not equal motivation
Didn't say it did, but historical claims is often one of the justifications for war. It's what countries like China used to gain control of the South China Sea by claiming they were historically a part of China which is a lie, they only claimed so because it gave them the ability to take the island and phrase it as a form of revanchism and makes their intent seem noble. To claim that it matters little is ridiculous, it's a geopolitical move to get the traditionalist, nationalists factions to back war as a form of national rejuvenation.
Certainly yes, Putin wants the USSR territories back together under the flag of the Russian Federatio
Why would he care about the USSR territories if it has nothing to do with history? It seems like you came to a conclusion about what the war is about divorced from what is actually happening. No, the history of Russian-Ukraine conflict started with the differences between the Ukrainian and Russian people, the difference in their languages and the atrocities the Ukrainians faced under the Holodomor created a national identity separate from Russia. That didn't just spring up in 2014, it was a series of events that led to the Euromaidan and revolution. It didn't just happen and it's not some kind of propaganda especially when Putin himself released an essay about how Ukraine is a fake country that is historically Russian, Ukrainians had a reason to leave Russia's sphere of influence for the West, and in order to understand that is to understand its history which cant be dismissed. Nothing exists in a bubble.
 
Well thats happen when the opposition to neolibs is made of cucks, you soon realize that if your enemy has no morality then morality is luxury you have to save for when the conflict is over. I admit upfront that Victory takes precedence over morality.
Even if that victory is victory for Globohomo personified? You do realize that Russia has all the ills of the West, only amplified up to the extreme?

Globohomo? They draft white men into an army where they are tortured and raped. By other men.
Ethnic replacement? The Russians are bringing in Central Asian migration to make up for their sorry population numbers.
Deep State and Big Government? They don't even bother hiding it.
Forever Wars and Foreign Adventurism? The Ukraine War makes the Iraq War seem justifiable.

You people are a joke. Pretending to battle a problem that your idols embody in every way, shape, or form.
 
YAY Raping Babies is the cure against Globohomo right.

Honestly at this point, if someone uses the word Globohomo you know they are some sick pedo fuck dreaming about baby rape. They all seem to support the actions of Russians raping and pillaging.



Like this faggot.

Supporting Russian one raped child at a time.
We get it you are an incel and you dream that one day you can be a brave Russian soldier raping an infant to death.

Stand against Globohomo, there might be a tranny on tv!!!!!
I support raping all the babies as long as there are no trannies or fags on tv, don't you understand i am a 45-year-old man and my children's cartoons and consumerism is important. Rape a baby stop Globohomo like the brave Russians.
Lol i already said Russia is fucked up place and i dont trust it, its just more useful, Russia destroying itself while at the time destroying Globohomo wouldnt be bad thing.

What you think you can just shame me into into supporting Ukraine ? I pity them but they are collateral damage. Seriously you got too used to being on Twitter it seems, being able to shame people or create a presure on their means of earning their bread, wont work here and it makes you lash out.

Now to adress your dirty blow, If true its distusting but considering shit like Epstein etc, i believe the subhumans in the army are still raping less children than Western Elite, I fully understand how uncomfortable it has to be to do cost benefit analysis in this regard, when it isnt simple number, but the numbers are literally children being raped, i dont blame you for not understanding this, nor for not wanting to understand, unfortunately not all us have that luxury of sanity.

World is fucked up place bro, trying to do the moral thing at every point wont work, you need strategy and weigh the costs and benefits. Now its possible im getting it wrong and Ukraine will be bigger help against Globohomo That Russia ever was, I would be glad to be mistaken, but morality and results dont often go together, especially in war.
 
Didn't say it did, but historical claims is often one of the justifications for war. It's what countries like China used to gain control of the South China Sea by claiming they were historically a part of China which is a lie, they only claimed so because it gave them the ability to take the island and phrase it as a form of revanchism and makes their intent seem noble. To claim that it matters little is ridiculous, it's a geopolitical move to get the traditionalist, nationalists factions to back war as a form of national rejuvenation.

Why would he care about the USSR territories if it has nothing to do with history? It seems like you came to a conclusion about what the war is about divorced from what is actually happening. No, the history of Russian-Ukraine conflict started with the differences between the Ukrainian and Russian people, the difference in their languages and the atrocities the Ukrainians faced under the Holodomor created a national identity separate from Russia. That didn't just spring up in 2014, it was a series of events that led to the Euromaidan and revolution. It didn't just happen and it's not some kind of propaganda especially when Putin himself released an essay about how Ukraine is a fake country that is historically Russian, Ukrainians had a reason to leave Russia's sphere of influence for the West, and in order to understand that is to understand its history which cant be dismissed. Nothing exists in a bubble.
A want to add to this.

When we are talking about Ukraine joining the west, what we really are talking about is that Ukraine wanted to align their trade rules with the EU ones to get access to the Eurozone economic market.
 
You're not making it better by justifying this. Russia won't make the world better either. Have you seen the fucking place?
Christ.

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Even if that victory is victory for Globohomo personified? You do realize that Russia has all the ills of the West, only amplified up to the extreme?

Globohomo? They draft white men into an army where they are tortured and raped. By other men.
Ethnic replacement? The Russians are bringing in Central Asian migration to make up for their sorry population numbers.
Deep State and Big Government? They don't even bother hiding it.
Forever Wars and Foreign Adventurism? The Ukraine War makes the Iraq War seem justifiable.

You people are a joke. Pretending to battle a problem that your idols embody in every way, shape, or form.

Imagine people thinking Russia is a better alternative to globohomo. The people who are like "I won't eat the bugs, I won't live in the pods, I won't be a tranny!" are the same people who think places like this are a better alternative.



Welcome to Kursk, one of the "Nicer" russian cities. If you think pod living in the metro west is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet, boy, lol.
 
Lol i already said Russia is fucked up place and i dont trust it, its just more useful, Russia destroying itself while at the time destroying Globohomo wouldnt be bad thing.

What you think you can just shame me into into supporting Ukraine ? I pity them but they are collateral damage. Seriously you got too used to being on Twitter it seems, being able to shame people or create a presure on their means of earning their bread, wont work here and it makes you lash out.

Now to adress your dirty blow, If true its distusting but considering shit like Epstein etc, i believe the subhumans in the army are still raping less children than Western Elite, I fully understand how uncomfortable it has to be to do cost benefit analysis in this regard, when it isnt simple number, but the numbers are literally children being raped, i dont blame you for not understanding this, nor for not wanting to understand, unfortunately not all us have that luxury of sanity.

World is fucked up place bro, trying to do the moral thing at every point wont work, you need strategy and weigh the costs and benefits. Now its possible im getting it wrong and Ukraine will be bigger help against Globohomo That Russia ever was, I would be glad to be mistaken, but morality and results dont often go together, especially in war.
Except Russia embodies GLOBOHOMO by its actions.

Raping boys and men whether they be foreign or domestic. It's an army that runs on sodomy.

At least western Globohomo is kept in check by the immigrants who hate that shit. The Chechens do nothing when their Russian comrades rape innocent Ukrainians or each other.

I suppose that's why some Russian soldiers prefer conscripts to them........

Imagine people thinking Russia is a better alternative to globohomo. The people who are like "I won't eat the bugs, I won't live in the pods, I won't be a tranny!" are the same people who think places like this are a better alternative.

Welcome to Kursk, one of the "Nicer" russian cities. If you think pod living in the metro west is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet, boy, lol.
Damn, that reminds me so much of those under-developed Chinese ghost towns.
 
Even if that victory is victory for Globohomo personified? You do realize that Russia has all the ills of the West, only amplified up to the extreme?

Globohomo? They draft white men into an army where they are tortured and raped. By other men.
Ethnic replacement? The Russians are bringing in Central Asian migration to make up for their sorry population numbers.
Deep State and Big Government? They don't even bother hiding it.
Forever Wars and Foreign Adventurism? The Ukraine War makes the Iraq War seem justifiable.

You people are a joke. Pretending to battle a problem that your idols embody in every way, shape, or form.

As i said Russia is funding far right parties and destabilizing current Western Neolib system, not out of benevolence but for their own advantage, thus the best situation would be collapse of Western Neolib system with Russia too weakened to exploit it. Russia helping destroy Globohomo while also destroying itself would be the most optimal scenario. Dont take me for some fanatic Russian shill, Russia is sadly more useful in this regard. Ukraine is morally right, but Russia is the better tool to hurt globohomo and make better world. I would be pleased to be mistaken but sadly morality and effectivity are not often in aligment.
 
Didn't say it did, but historical claims is often one of the justifications for war. It's what countries like China used to gain control of the South China Sea by claiming they were historically a part of China which is a lie, they only claimed so because it gave them the ability to take the island and phrase it as a form of revanchism and makes their intent seem noble. To claim that it matters little is ridiculous, it's a geopolitical move to get the traditionalist, nationalists factions to back war as a form of national rejuvenation.

Why would he care about the USSR territories if it has nothing to do with history? It seems like you came to a conclusion about what the war is about divorced from what is actually happening. No, the history of Russian-Ukraine conflict started with the differences between the Ukrainian and Russian people, the difference in their languages and the atrocities the Ukrainians faced under the Holodomor created a national identity separate from Russia. That didn't just spring up in 2014, it was a series of events that led to the Euromaidan and revolution. It didn't just happen and it's not some kind of propaganda especially when Putin himself released an essay about how Ukraine is a fake country that is historically Russian, Ukrainians had a reason to leave Russia's sphere of influence for the West, and in order to understand that is to understand its history which cant be dismissed. Nothing exists in a bubble.
Again you are confusing "this is not as important as current events" with "history doesn't matter at all."
 
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Imagine people thinking Russia is a better alternative to globohomo. The people who are like "I won't eat the bugs, I won't live in the pods, I won't be a tranny!" are the same people who think places like this are a better alternative.



Welcome to Kursk, one of the "Nicer" russian cities. If you think pod living in the metro west is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet, boy, lol.

Once again you seem to unable to comprehend this isnt about Supporting Russia or Ukraine, Russia is tool, tool where the most optimal outcome would be it destroying Globohomo while also destroying itself leaving West to rebuild free from BOTH globohomo and Russias own shit. You are trying to argue morality while im arguing immoral but strategical course.
 
I went to the other thread for a bit because it has more content and less people getting into slapfights or dogpiling people for going against groupthink. Look at how much of this thread is just people directly arguing and trading insults. I'd rather not get involved in that.

Ukraine is right to defend themselves and Russia was in the wrong to invade, IMO. That said, they're BOTH lobbing ordinance around civilians, killing noncombatants out of paranoia or anger, and generally letting psychos run wild to a pretty horrifying level.

My take on stuff was some poorly-thought out and poorly expressed middle-of-the-night posting. I have no problem admitting that. Good points against it were definitely raised.

It was me mostly trying to say that the sheer amount of stuff we send to various allies in proxy wars that ends up in the hands of our enemies is fucking embarrassing and I'd prefer it stops.

Giving Ukraine a bunch of food and supplies? Fine. Giving them a bunch of small arms and ATGMs? Much less fine, but there isn't much of a better option.

But giving them combat vehicles and training, especially when their leader is currently trash-talking us for not directly intervening and not setting a no-fly zone?

No thanks. They seem to be doing fine already with the Javelins we keep sending nonstop and virtually every Western Intelligence Agency giving them all the satelite recon and radar targeting data they could ever ask for.
What exactly is wrong with giving them combat vehicles and training that isn't a problem with giving them ATGMs especially when the vehicles being given are surplus shit that would've been discarded anyway?
 
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